Primo+Winstrol (tabs)

[Commando666]

Hello Elite Fitness.
Im new to the board, and I have some questions concerning a cycle consisting of primo and maybe Winstrol tabs.

Im 30 years old, and did some Test E + Dbol 4-5 years ago.
Ive been training since I was 17 or so, also martial arts. Id say my core training is pretty good, and I eat healthy - without getting too fundemental.

Im 187cm and 88kg's (sorry, Im European ) and I train approximately 5 times a week.

I want a clean cycle, without any dramatic results. Id like to rip off some fat, and strengthen myself - while minimizing possible side-effects.
While studying this cycle, I see different views on usage and PCT, so I will jump into some questions concerning this.

So far my cycle will look like this:

week 1-11: 400mg Primo EW
(week 7-11: 50mg Winstrol)
PCT consists on HCG and maybe Nolva?

Questions are:

- Will the libido suffer from this cycle? Ive red many suggesting taking fx 250mg test a long side. But that too will supress your natural production, right? Just as many runs primo only with good results. Never mentioning this. My dosage is rather low.

- Should I run Winstrols together with primo, or will the two of them suppres libido too much? - should I run the tabs for the full cycle or just the last month? Suggestions?

- After reading the HCG-instructions on this forum, should I do the HCG while being on the cycle, or does that not make sense with primo (and winstrol maybe) only? Suggestions to PCT - with or without winstrols maybe?

- Is Nolva even necessary when running primo only? And/or what about nolva for Winstrol tablets?

 

[Jbranken]

Test shuts you down, primo shuts you down, winny shuts you down... All steroids shut you down because they are all derived from Testosterone. You have some skewed idea that primo and winny aren't going to do that for some reason. You're worse off without test because youll have no libido or energy. Hcg shouldn't be used in pct because its suppressive which is counterproductive to recovery. You also have a crap pct and no mention of an ai. Are you sure you know what youre doing?


1-14 Test E 250mg EW
1-14 Primo 400-500mg EW
1-5 Winstrol 50mg ED
1-14 N2Guard
1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
15-16 HCG 1000iu EW

PCT
Nolvadex 40/20/20/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Ostarine 25mg ED
Hcgenerate

 

[Commando666]

I know everything will shut you down, more or less, to some degree...
I just thought, that the more you injected, the more shutted down you got.

I know Primo and Winny does the same, but Ive been reading that the sides are milder.
Fx that Primo does not convert to estrogene, therefore I find it unnatural to run Nolvadex as PCT, which is used to stop this estrogen-conversion?
Also, I dont have acces to N2Guard, Im from Scandinavia, and Id have to get it send overseas

- Could you please explain what you are saying about the HCG, and why you would only take 1000EW for only 2 weeks? I have never seen that before...
- Could You explain why you would start the cycle with winnies and not end it?
- Will the use of test e really help with libido-problems? and should I inject that on different days/spots?

 

[25homes]

Def add test bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

Primo and winny are not the same , other than they produce slow solid gains with little water retention. Using nolvadex is unnecessary because neither could possible cause gyno.

 

[Jbranken]

I know everything will shut you down, more or less, to some degree...
I just thought, that the more you injected, the more shutted down you got.

I know Primo and Winny does the same, but Ive been reading that the sides are milder.
Fx that Primo does not convert to estrogene, therefore I find it unnatural to run Nolvadex as PCT, which is used to stop this estrogen-conversion?

There's still a possibility of estrogen rebound after a cycle. Just because a steroid doesn't aromatize doesn't mean it can't elevate estrogen through other pathways. I had gyno from anavar before

Also, I dont have acces to N2Guard, Im from Scandinavia, and Id have to get it send overseas

- Could you please explain what you are saying about the HCG, and why you would only take 1000EW for only 2 weeks? I have never seen that before...

It's called "hcg blasting" and it's effective. I found it to be a better approach going into pct than using hcg throughout the whole cycle. It's would be two 500iu shots each week for two weeks

- Could You explain why you would start the cycle with winnies and not end it?

To elevate androgen levels quickly so you start feeling and seeing progress early in the cycle rather than later

- Will the use of test e really help with libido-problems? and should I inject that on different days/spots?

Of course it helps. How do you think your libido functions on a daily basis? Testosterone. Primo and winny are going to shut down your endogenous test production, so replacing it with an exogenous source will keep your libido and energy levels up. It can be injected with primo

In bold

 

[Commando666]

In bold

Thanks for good answering here..
The other opponions are kind of splitted..?

I guess I will run 250mg Test E (AP) a long side the primo, though Im still not sure about the HCG-blasting-thing.. I know from a nurse, that you cannot inject more than 4ml in a buttcheek. Suppose I run the 250mg test - should I do it seperately, or?

Seems "a little" to blast 1000iu's, when other boards suggests 10000, through 20 days..

And still people suggests Nolva, and some dont :d

 

[Jbranken]

Do what you want, but other boards are full of shit and spout off information that they saw someone else spout off, who saw someone else say it, and so on. There's evidence supporting that going over 1000iu's in one week is pointless, as you'll see no added benefit from more. Nolvadex doesn't just block E from binding, it also causes a temporary rise in LH and T, the same as HCG, so it may aid in recovery. If you need to do more than a 3cc inject, split the shots up.


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[Commando666]

I appreciate the answers bro's..
So, now I have a cycle - looking like this:

1-11: 400mg Primo EW
1-11: 250mg Test E EW
1-5 : 50mg Winstrol ED

Can someone PLEASE then tell me, what would be the best PCT then?
Full Nolva PCT as jbranken suggested? HCG-blast or 20000ui's cycle over 20 days?
Both Clomid AND Nolva?

 

[Jbranken]

Haha. I'm done with this thread. You're wasting my time