Primo -- The Misunderstood Steroid!

[Ross]

why is that. any sterod with an e ester can be used effectively in a short cycle. ive ran 4 weeks of test e and got the same 4 weeks worth of results as i did with 4 weeks of prop. only difference was the time i saw the results.

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed. Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid.

 

[soupeater]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

 

[joe d]

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed. Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid.

thats not how it works. using a long ester vs a short ester will make no difference in the gains from the steroid. it will only off set the time period you see the results happen in. 8 weeks of a steroid will give you 8 weeks of results.

 

[joe d]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

that is 100% correct. many have done it including myself.

 

[soupeater]

thanks joe d.

'many have done it including myself' - does that mean you have done short cycles or just figured on delayed effects due to ester timing?

cheers

 

[Ross]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

The cycle I posted above can be used very successfully as a BULKER. Your diet will determine the type of gains you make, both qualitatively and quantitatively.

I would not suggest a short Primobolan cycle, nor would I suggest a short Testosterone Enanthate cycle. The pharmokinetics do not permit such a protocol.

 

[joe d]

i am a big fan of short cycles. i like 6 weeks. the shorter the cycle the easier and sooner you recover. then you can cycle sooner. i always saw my best gains from week 4-6 on e. after that i would still gain into pct. the only difference result wise is on the dosing. 100mg of suspension is 100mg of gear. when you add esters it takes away from the actual mg of gear. the longer the ester the less gear you are really getting per mg.

you can also extend the cycle like this
1-2 oral steroid or suspension
1-6 e ester steroid.
this will give you roughly 8 weeks of results

 

[joe d]

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed.
if it takes 10-14 days to start then how long does it take to stop after your last shot?
Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid. how do you figure this?

please give an actual explanation of how "using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid"

please include how the steroid takes 10 to 14 days to start working but doesnt keep working 10-14 days after the last shot providing the exact same results just in an offset time frame.

 

[Ross]

please give an actual explanation of how "using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid"

please include how the steroid takes 10 to 14 days to start working but doesnt keep working 10-14 days after the last shot providing the exact same results just in an offset time frame.

Peak blood plasma concentrations are not achieved quickly as they do with shorter esters--period.

 

[joe d]

Peak blood plasma concentrations are not achieved quickly as they do with shorter esters--period.

yes we both have stated this now how about the rest?

 

[stevesmi]

I'm excited. gonna run primo next cycle. kickass thread. hope you fellers keep it going.

 

[joe d]

I'm excited. gonna run primo next cycle. kickass thread. hope you fellers keep it going.

nope you killed it lol

 

[fudd39452]

i want to try primo on my next cycle as well

 

[d_rson]

I have primo in my quad right now.

 

[soupeater]

im jealous d_rson

 

[soupeater]

I guess the next question to continue the debate is this - If one were to inject Primo or Test E with an expected 10-14 day delay in effects and thus be offsetting the cycle by that time period would natural T production be shut down from day one of the injections or not until the 10-14 day mark? This would make a big difference in super short (3-4 wk) cycles.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I guess the next question to continue the debate is this - If one were to inject Primo or Test E with an expected 10-14 day delay in effects and thus be offsetting the cycle by that time period would natural T production be shut down from day one of the injections or not until the 10-14 day mark? This would make a big difference in super short (3-4 wk) cycles.

Well, forst of all, there's no delay. That's a myth. However, suppression gets more severe after 4 weeks -- less so with Primo.

With supps like UNLEASHED and BRIDGE, 6 weeks of Primo (and a little test) would be a pretty easy recovery in most cases.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Nelson, do you think a test+primo cycle would be superior to test+anavar?

I have used test+anavar and liked the results. And I wasn't even cutting.

I am curious about primo though the thought of pinning more than twice a week scares me. I always get knots. If I could pin primo in the triceps/biceps or lats with less soreness that would be awesome. I have never injected more than 1.5ml in the quads and stay at 1ml for delt/pecs.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Well, forst of all, there's no delay. That's a myth. However, suppression gets more severe after 4 weeks -- less so with Primo.

With supps like UNLEASHED and BRIDGE, 6 weeks of Primo (and a little test) would be a pretty easy recovery in most cases.

What does Unleashed have to do with recovery?? It will increase your free test which will help you keep your gains, but keeping gains is not recovering. As far as I know, once you stop using Unleashed, the increasements in free test will return to baseline.. If what I assume is correct, then it is not a recovery tool . Anything you use constantly cannot be a recovery tool in my opinion.. Hcg is a recovery tool because when you stop, your testicles wont shrink back and in most cases your body will start producing its own test without any exogenous support.

You use something, and if it helps you to reach homeostatis even after you stop, that s a recovery tool in my opinion.

Hope you can clarify this.

Thanks

 

[Blaster22]

Well, forst of all, there's no delay. That's a myth. However, suppression gets more severe after 4 weeks -- less so with Primo.

With supps like UNLEASHED and BRIDGE, 6 weeks of Primo (and a little test) would be a pretty easy recovery in most cases.

Nelson, would a good short cycle of primo be 6 weeks 400mg primo/500mg teste e? Maybe also run 6 weeks anavar with it? How bout pct for such a short cycle? How long off can you be before you redo another short cycle? Thanks. Just trying to understand primo as I think its gonna be in my next cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

What does Unleashed have to do with recovery?? It will increase your free test which will help you keep your gains, but keeping gains is not recovering. As far as I know, once you stop using Unleashed, the increasements in free test will return to baseline.. If what I assume is correct, then it is not a recovery tool . Anything you use constantly cannot be a recovery tool in my opinion.. Hcg is a recovery tool because when you stop, your testicles wont shrink back and in most cases your body will start producing its own test without any exogenous support.

You use something, and if it helps you to reach homeostatis even after you stop, that s a recovery tool in my opinion.

Hope you can clarify this.

Thanks

UNLEASHED doesn't directly help HPTA recover. You know what does? NOTHING. The only thing you can do is maintain your gains while the body recovers naturally and in that regard, UNLEASHED is a huge advantage.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, do you think a test+primo cycle would be superior to test+anavar?

I have used test+anavar and liked the results. And I wasn't even cutting.

I am curious about primo though the thought of pinning more than twice a week scares me. I always get knots. If I could pin primo in the triceps/biceps or lats with less soreness that would be awesome. I have never injected more than 1.5ml in the quads and stay at 1ml for delt/pecs.

Similar results with less toxicity and adverse effect on lipids.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, would a good short cycle of primo be 6 weeks 400mg primo/500mg teste e? Maybe also run 6 weeks anavar with it? How bout pct for such a short cycle? How long off can you be before you redo another short cycle? Thanks. Just trying to understand primo as I think its gonna be in my next cycle.

It'd be fine I'm sure. PCT would be the same as always -- HCG, UNLEASHED, dex, POST CYCLE, followed by BRIDGE.

 

[soupeater]

The short cycle approach is meant to be an adjunct to natural training. PCT wouldn't be necessary and suppression would be minimal. I do believe I was being a bit too conservative -- not that it wouldn't work, but I realize most people want more out of their cycles. But I come from the days where cycles ran no longer than 6 weeks. Maybe that's why so many guys avoided problems down the road. These days with the supps available, I'm starting to think that mild , short cycles along with good PCT and the proper supps, you can make outstanding , safe gains.

So Nelson, if you were to revise your perfect short cycle, ala steroids for health way of usage, what would it be in terms of length, quantities, and PCT? Also what kind of gains would one be able to expect from the 3 week cycle approach as an adjunct to natural training? I'm sure not everyone who uses AAS is looking to really bulk up and get freaky huge. A lot of us might just want the 'fight club' body or Troy body of Brad Pitt and are looking for fairly conservative boost/shortcut/whatever you want to call it, additional help to speed training results up without packing on 25-30 pounds of bloated mass that will disappear a couple months after the cycle.

(for the record I guess I should state that I'm in my thirties, a healthy male, nowhere near my genetic potential but not looking to win any bodybuilding contests, just looking to get that Mens Health body)

all replies are much appreciated

 

[lartinos]

Short cycles are garbage for most anyone. Stay away!

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Old school 4 year bump...

I'm 37.. with a few cycles under my belt... Test, Tren, Deca, Winny, and Dbol experience... I'm 5'11 and 185lbs this morning.. probably sitting around 10 - 12% bf... Looking to harden up... and get more vascular...

I am thinking of running Primo and Prop @ 525mg (75mg a day each) for 12 and 14 weeks respectively... I'll likely throw in some var for the last 6 - 8 weeks at 60mg as well to see what's up...

I just want to see if the consensus is the same 4 years later...

 

[Cheppard]

I think if your gonna run primo use it as the main compound. Less test. And if running primo run it longer so why not use a longer ester test like cyp? Take ester weights into account with primo so shoot 600 mg plus. Watch your hair go bye bye at about 10 week Mark.

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[WolfpackAlpha]

This is a great primo thread...check out this profile on primo guys: What is Primobolan (Methenolone)? - Evolutionary.org
That should give more detail to those who want to keep researching.

 

[forexconsultant]

Glad someone bumped this...great info!

 

[stevesmi]

I think if your gonna run primo use it as the main compound. Less test. And if running primo run it longer so why not use a longer ester test like cyp? Take ester weights into account with primo so shoot 600 mg plus. Watch your hair go bye bye at about 10 week Mark.

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I agree.. and also make sure ur source is legit .. message me if u need help in that arena

 

[Cheppard]

I think the short cycles are way to go. Short esters hit u hard and fast. The idea behind short cycles is to get your gains in the first three weeks before stalls occur and the side effects begin to mount. Guys saying "kicking in" not occurring till 5 or 6 weeks is because of long ester buildup time and not front loading.

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