Primo -- The Misunderstood Steroid!

[Ross]

why is that. any sterod with an e ester can be used effectively in a short cycle. ive ran 4 weeks of test e and got the same 4 weeks worth of results as i did with 4 weeks of prop. only difference was the time i saw the results.

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed. Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid.

 

[soupeater]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

 

[joe d]

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed. Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid.

thats not how it works. using a long ester vs a short ester will make no difference in the gains from the steroid. it will only off set the time period you see the results happen in. 8 weeks of a steroid will give you 8 weeks of results.

 

[joe d]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

that is 100% correct. many have done it including myself.

 

[soupeater]

thanks joe d.

'many have done it including myself' - does that mean you have done short cycles or just figured on delayed effects due to ester timing?

cheers

 

[Ross]

OK, forgive my noobishness, I'm still learning the basics... Based on what you just said then wouldn't the slow acting ester in the Primo just be like delaying the noticeable part of the cycle by 10-14 days which in turn would prolong the noticeable effect of the cycle 10-14 days past the last injection? In other words if one was to do a short (3-5 week) cycle but figured on the gear not kicking in for those first 10-14 days would slow acting esters still be viable? I know I need to figure out the half-lifes and timing etc of the different esters but... If this were a possibility then at what point would the Sustenon injections start (since its the blend of 4....) and at what point (again for a short 3-5 weeker) would one kickstart with orals?

Thanks again. This is all very interesting and I appreciate the feedback from knowledgeable members

Also, would Ross's cycle as posted above be considered a lean mass or bulking cycle (Dbol kick first 6 weeks, 400 primo weekly, 250 Susta weekly, 10 weeks total)?

Cheers

The cycle I posted above can be used very successfully as a BULKER. Your diet will determine the type of gains you make, both qualitatively and quantitatively.

I would not suggest a short Primobolan cycle, nor would I suggest a short Testosterone Enanthate cycle. The pharmokinetics do not permit such a protocol.

 

[joe d]

i am a big fan of short cycles. i like 6 weeks. the shorter the cycle the easier and sooner you recover. then you can cycle sooner. i always saw my best gains from week 4-6 on e. after that i would still gain into pct. the only difference result wise is on the dosing. 100mg of suspension is 100mg of gear. when you add esters it takes away from the actual mg of gear. the longer the ester the less gear you are really getting per mg.

you can also extend the cycle like this
1-2 oral steroid or suspension
1-6 e ester steroid.
this will give you roughly 8 weeks of results

 

[joe d]

A slow-released, long-chained ester such as Enanthate will not provide an immediate manifestation of gains, as it will take a duration of at least 10-14 days before any physiological effects can be noticed.
if it takes 10-14 days to start then how long does it take to stop after your last shot?
Therefore, using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid. how do you figure this?

please give an actual explanation of how "using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid"

please include how the steroid takes 10 to 14 days to start working but doesnt keep working 10-14 days after the last shot providing the exact same results just in an offset time frame.

 

[Ross]

please give an actual explanation of how "using a long ester during a short cycle will not make full utilization of the steroid"

please include how the steroid takes 10 to 14 days to start working but doesnt keep working 10-14 days after the last shot providing the exact same results just in an offset time frame.

Peak blood plasma concentrations are not achieved quickly as they do with shorter esters--period.

 

[joe d]

Peak blood plasma concentrations are not achieved quickly as they do with shorter esters--period.

yes we both have stated this now how about the rest?