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One bro on here told me to go grab some potassium citrate for my tren insomnia. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
Potassium Citrate for tren insomnia
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Bulldog_10
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I would think it would depend on the cause of your insomnia. Any symptoms? Sweating? Rapid heart beat? Just thinking too much? etc...?
griznuts2004
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Well, my deal is I wake up 30 times a night and obviously the cold sweats. I get plenty of sleep, just not a deep sleep. I knew this coming in, and will accept it if this is the way it has to be.
bicepts101
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BigBlu said:
what areyou talking about man?
this is not anything new here
this was announced when it first came out
BigBlu
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I disagree with the claims that are made for P Seven. That's what I'm talking about! I TOTALLY disagree that it would be effective against a very powerful hormone, like trenbolone. Get real, this is NOT about PROFIT. It's about conveying the truth/best advice to those that read and participate on these boards. It's the MONEY vs MORALITY issue that I keep raising.bicepts101 said:
gymmeister
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Ins't the Tren insomnia going to be largely from elevated levels of Norepinephrine? I thought that only something alongs the lines as strong as Benzos would really be effective at helping with Tren insomnia (or D-Bol or Test insominia for that matter)?
bicepts101
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gymmeister said:
its not made to cure it by any means. it there to help with mood/aggression and rest. there hasnt been any claims of it being some kind of miricle but it has alot of feedback. i would like to hear what ulter has to say about this
bicepts101
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Muddawg said:
why not use cocaine to lose weight? you see what i mean
BigBlu
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Ask Diego Maradonna about cocaine and weight loss? He's looking really sexy these days!bicepts101 said:
My point is that P Seven will not alleviate Tren or AAS insomnia. All the claimants have very 'up-in-the-air' claims about the product, using terms like calming, mood enhancing, sense of well being. We're not talking about becoming spirituallly connected. We are looking for solutions like for hardcore AAS induced insomnia!
The realistic solutions in this case include Benzos like Valium. Benzodiazepines are some of the most effective medicines in use today, if used correctly. They are no more toxic to the liver than anything else discussed on this board.
I'd like to see Ronnie Coleman slow his 'metabolic inferno' down with a few 'soothing dabs' of P Seven and snuggle down for the night! Yeah right!
Sorry Ulter, it's nothing personal. I'm just looking at real world scenarios and solutions here. I'm sure your product has its place.....maybe in more 'natural' sports.
bicepts101
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BigBlu said:
you make valid points
...but lets not compare our selves to the pros.....esspecially Ronnie....we all know that the amount of stress put on his mind and body fair exceeds our own.
Sorry I missed all your rants Blu. I just saw this. You have a lot to say for someone who knows so little. Like you say, nothing personal. Do you even know what P Seven is or what's in it?
You're dead wrong of course and P Seven works very well to alleviate the aggression people feel from test and tren. This makes sleeping easier while using it. You made this statement "I TOTALLY disagree that it would be effective against a very powerful hormone". Well guess what Blu that's how P Seven works. Tren is a powerful hormone, P Seven has equally powerful hormones that offsets the imbalance tren causes. That's how it works.
You talk about morality. It's immoral for you to pop off about a product you have never used and don't understand posting it doesn't work when it does. Some unknowing person might actually believe your uninformed rants thinking you know what you're talking about and not use a product that can help.
You're dead wrong of course and P Seven works very well to alleviate the aggression people feel from test and tren. This makes sleeping easier while using it. You made this statement "I TOTALLY disagree that it would be effective against a very powerful hormone". Well guess what Blu that's how P Seven works. Tren is a powerful hormone, P Seven has equally powerful hormones that offsets the imbalance tren causes. That's how it works.
You talk about morality. It's immoral for you to pop off about a product you have never used and don't understand posting it doesn't work when it does. Some unknowing person might actually believe your uninformed rants thinking you know what you're talking about and not use a product that can help.
There are plenty of experienced vets out there for whom P-7 had ZERO effect, including Omega, Fonz, and myself.
Check out this thread
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304037&highlight=kbrkbr
I might not be the best example, however, because I have scripts for klonopin, which P-7 can't even hope to touch.
Check out this thread
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304037&highlight=kbrkbr
I might not be the best example, however, because I have scripts for klonopin, which P-7 can't even hope to touch.
frotobaggins
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and BTW- I have read several reports that advise people with sleeping problems not to use xanax or valium. These drugs prevent you from going into deep REM sleep.
It doesn't work for everyone and nothing does. But it works for far more people than it doesn't. If you're using other meds like Fonz, Omega and others were using they may get in the way. If you're using deca it may not work, for instance. But for those who are only using test/tren it works very well. Oh and since you want to use posts to determine if it works or not I will give you a few as well. I could do this all day but this is enough to get my point across.
03-Feb-2003, 08:50 AM #29
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Macro,
I absolutely love this stuff. Not only does it mellow me out, but my dick is working again...LOL. The increased libido is great.......I went from having no sex drive what so ever, to walking around with a hard-on most of the day.
For Tren users, this product is an absolute must!
[second post]
Been taking 1/4 pippette four times daily, have noticed the following:
Increased mood.....feel calm within minutes after rubbing it in, really works wonder for anxiety.
Sleep better...tren was really fucking up my sleep, been taking four benadryl a night...since starting the P-7 I haven't taken benadrl once, and I'm sleeping MUCH better.
Increased Sex Drive...tren killed my sex drive, since starting the P-7 I actualy feel like I'm on a low dose of test.
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03-Feb-2003, 10:50 AM #30
Big Johnson
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I give it a huge thumbs up. I, too, am on tren and within an hour felt my tren irritability dissappear. Its good shit. I woke up feeling good, too, even though I had some of the most vivid dreams last night I have ever experienced in my life. The way it makes you feel is hard to explain. It just makes you feel better all over.
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10-Feb-2003, 07:46 PM #7
Frackal
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Ok, I have just returned from the gym and have some interesting observations, and some questions, I'll just put the P7 questions here since maybe others are curious
Observations:
Today is the 5th day of P7. The mood enhancing effects seem to be more pronounced then they were when I first started.
Most impressive thing I have just noticed happened just today pre-workout, I am guessing it is the P7, and not the prop from the amp of sust I injected last night (just started cycle of sust/deca/eq).
Before training I took 1.5 dymetadrine extreme, total of:
150mg caffeine
30mg ephedra
some salicic acid (who cares)
200 or so mg tyrosine and phenylanaline
also took:
1 tablespoon carao
1 ml of P7
Now, I have been using everything but the P7 preworkout for awhile.... within about 30 min I noticed a stark increase in mood elevation, a feeling of being stimulated or 'awake' beyond the Eca, but without an equal increase in jittery-ness.
I had increased strength at the gym and increased pump and vascularity...I still feel qute 'up' and in a very good mood.
So far, I give P7 the following ratings a la Mr. Nobody on a 1-10 scale
Mood elevation: 10
Immune system elevation: ?? Cannot tell
Sleeping better: 7
Preworkout pump and vascularity increase: 6-7
Preworkout Strength: 5-6
Sex drive: ??? Have not noticed increased sex drive, what I am looking forward to trying is testing it with the high nandrolone/low testosterone cycle.
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07-Jul-2003, 09:43 AM #91
benevolent anarchist
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Posts: 906 Stuff is a godsend when you’re on tren.
I like all of their products but if I had to pick a favorite it would be P Seven.
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03-Feb-2003, 08:50 AM #29
JG1
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Macro,
I absolutely love this stuff. Not only does it mellow me out, but my dick is working again...LOL. The increased libido is great.......I went from having no sex drive what so ever, to walking around with a hard-on most of the day.
For Tren users, this product is an absolute must!
[second post]
Been taking 1/4 pippette four times daily, have noticed the following:
Increased mood.....feel calm within minutes after rubbing it in, really works wonder for anxiety.
Sleep better...tren was really fucking up my sleep, been taking four benadryl a night...since starting the P-7 I haven't taken benadrl once, and I'm sleeping MUCH better.
Increased Sex Drive...tren killed my sex drive, since starting the P-7 I actualy feel like I'm on a low dose of test.
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03-Feb-2003, 10:50 AM #30
Big Johnson
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I give it a huge thumbs up. I, too, am on tren and within an hour felt my tren irritability dissappear. Its good shit. I woke up feeling good, too, even though I had some of the most vivid dreams last night I have ever experienced in my life. The way it makes you feel is hard to explain. It just makes you feel better all over.
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10-Feb-2003, 07:46 PM #7
Frackal
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Ok, I have just returned from the gym and have some interesting observations, and some questions, I'll just put the P7 questions here since maybe others are curious
Observations:
Today is the 5th day of P7. The mood enhancing effects seem to be more pronounced then they were when I first started.
Most impressive thing I have just noticed happened just today pre-workout, I am guessing it is the P7, and not the prop from the amp of sust I injected last night (just started cycle of sust/deca/eq).
Before training I took 1.5 dymetadrine extreme, total of:
150mg caffeine
30mg ephedra
some salicic acid (who cares)
200 or so mg tyrosine and phenylanaline
also took:
1 tablespoon carao
1 ml of P7
Now, I have been using everything but the P7 preworkout for awhile.... within about 30 min I noticed a stark increase in mood elevation, a feeling of being stimulated or 'awake' beyond the Eca, but without an equal increase in jittery-ness.
I had increased strength at the gym and increased pump and vascularity...I still feel qute 'up' and in a very good mood.
So far, I give P7 the following ratings a la Mr. Nobody on a 1-10 scale
Mood elevation: 10
Immune system elevation: ?? Cannot tell
Sleeping better: 7
Preworkout pump and vascularity increase: 6-7
Preworkout Strength: 5-6
Sex drive: ??? Have not noticed increased sex drive, what I am looking forward to trying is testing it with the high nandrolone/low testosterone cycle.
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07-Jul-2003, 09:43 AM #91
benevolent anarchist
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: maryland
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Posts: 906 Stuff is a godsend when you’re on tren.
I like all of their products but if I had to pick a favorite it would be P Seven.
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benevolent anarchist
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I’ve done numerous tren cycles, and have found that P-Seven has a VERY profound effect on overall tren moodiness and restlessness. I wouldn’t say that it cured my night sweats, but it did stop me from waking up every 2-3 hours in a pool of sweat and that alone is huge. So yes, in the morning the sheets were still damp, but like I said, it didn’t keep me awake at night like when I wasn’t using it. Don’t knock it unless you’ve tried it.
bicepts101
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exactly....how can you say it doesnt work if you have never tried it
BigBlu
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Blah, blah, blah.........keep going at the marketer's dream! I'll still maintain that you're talking crap just to sell your products. Give me clinical research not anecdotal reports from your clients that are being given 'great deals' on your snake oils!
By the way, I do know what's in P 7. Read my earlier posts.
By the way, I do know what's in P 7. Read my earlier posts.
BigBlu said:
After a ridiculously childish post like that I wouldn't give you the time of day let alone clinical research. Since you know what's in it you can look it up yourself. Having an opinion of a product you've tried is certainly worth hearing about. Whether you like or dislike one of our products we'd like to know about it so we can ask how it was used and maybe learn something. But you are attacking me personally and a product you have never even seen. That's the kind of posting that gets people banned here.
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ulter said:
yeap that post just convienced me that hes a complete idiot
BigBlu
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Ulter:
Hang on a minute, emotions aside. What I'm objecting to throughout our whole series of posts is having a product pushed on me because you sponsor this site and it is obviously a place for you to generate revenue. Actually, I would love to get out of a never ending Platinum membership if you're willing to arrange to have me banned for having an opinion. BTW my membership also 'sponsors' this site. Therefore, in terms of money or the opportunity our sponsorhsip creates, I should have an equal right to express my opinion.
Me calling your product "crap" was unnecessary on my part, but from the evidence I have provided and continue to provide below I maintain that P7 would not be effective for my condition. It has also proven to be ineffective for other posters too. I think that needs to be acknowledged!? I have studied Biochemistry, Pharmacology and Endocrinology and have worked with athletes that have performed at international and Olympic level. I have personally designed 'natural' supplement programs for them. Unlike myself, I do not endorse the use of AAS or banned substances to facilitate their training. In saying that I do believe that I have the necessary criteria and experience to have a critical opinion on natural products and their claims.
Yes, you're correct in saying that the debate has elevated itself to a personal level, but this is due to you trying to suppress my opinion. I strongly object to that. Firstly you have responded to every criticism that I've made regarding P7, which shows that you are pretty defensive about the product. You could have laughed me off right from the beginning. In this entire series of posts there have been a good few posts that fly in the face of the exact claims you make for your product. You are, as all salesmen should be, concerned that my opinion will be read by others and affect your sales.
This whole thing started with my first post "Tren is awesome", where you offered your product as a solution to my Tren insomnia. You said that it was specifically designed for Tren insomnia. Why Tren? Then it was claimed it was designed for Test insomnia too. Why Test too? What about the other steroids that cause irritability and agression, like Halotestin, Test Suspension or Anadrol. How can one porduct be a 'cure-all' for the side effect generated by some very different synthetic hormones? Below is a copy of your first post. In my experience of 7 oxo DHEA and Pregnenolone I've experienced nothing BUT irritability an nausea. It is logical that those 2 fairly benign 'hormones' or derivatives will have a comparatively weak opposing effect on the side effect of some very powerful synthetic hormones.
Below is the my original post that was responded to by yourself.
Re: Tren is awesome!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mbluett
Does anyone have some advice on how to conquer the Tren insomnia. I tried 1.5mg of Xanax last night and it did shit!?
"P SEVEN ORANGE!!
It's formulated for use with tren."
This was another post of mine, "Tren insomnia":
I'm currently on week 2 of a tren/winny/sust cycle. The tren has given me serious insomnia. I'm an insomniac as it is, but this is like being in 'hyper-vigilante mode' 24/7. I found a good remedy though: 0.5mg Xanax and 75mg Trazodone. Now i'm having a good refreshing 8 hours sleep.
Now after seeing what PRESCRIPTION medications I have tried for Tren insomnia, do you still honestly believe that P7 would touch my insomnia???
Next quote:
Originally Posted by ulter
"After a ridiculously childish post like that I wouldn't give you the time of day let alone clinical research. Since you know what's in it you can look it up yourself. Having an opinion of a product you've tried is certainly worth hearing about. Whether you like or dislike one of our products we'd like to know about it so we can ask how it was used and maybe learn something. But you are attacking me personally and a product you have never even seen. That's the kind of posting that gets people banned here."
Is it "childish" to get annoyed with someone who keeps telling you that their product is going to work when you've had to resort to pharmaceuticals to keep a nights sleep?
Why won't you provide any clinical research? This is obviously not for my benefit, but for others. I feel that it is important in the supplement industry to have your products backed by science. It is the reason that I buy EAS products, because it is backed by university and clinical studies. These studies are readily available to the public in a published booklet. BTW I have looked up clinical studies on the ingredients in P7 and have considered them in formulation too. What I was really hoping for was that you would provide us with these studies.
I hope this has balanced my argument in favour of logic and less toward a personal attack.
Hang on a minute, emotions aside. What I'm objecting to throughout our whole series of posts is having a product pushed on me because you sponsor this site and it is obviously a place for you to generate revenue. Actually, I would love to get out of a never ending Platinum membership if you're willing to arrange to have me banned for having an opinion. BTW my membership also 'sponsors' this site. Therefore, in terms of money or the opportunity our sponsorhsip creates, I should have an equal right to express my opinion.
Me calling your product "crap" was unnecessary on my part, but from the evidence I have provided and continue to provide below I maintain that P7 would not be effective for my condition. It has also proven to be ineffective for other posters too. I think that needs to be acknowledged!? I have studied Biochemistry, Pharmacology and Endocrinology and have worked with athletes that have performed at international and Olympic level. I have personally designed 'natural' supplement programs for them. Unlike myself, I do not endorse the use of AAS or banned substances to facilitate their training. In saying that I do believe that I have the necessary criteria and experience to have a critical opinion on natural products and their claims.
Yes, you're correct in saying that the debate has elevated itself to a personal level, but this is due to you trying to suppress my opinion. I strongly object to that. Firstly you have responded to every criticism that I've made regarding P7, which shows that you are pretty defensive about the product. You could have laughed me off right from the beginning. In this entire series of posts there have been a good few posts that fly in the face of the exact claims you make for your product. You are, as all salesmen should be, concerned that my opinion will be read by others and affect your sales.
This whole thing started with my first post "Tren is awesome", where you offered your product as a solution to my Tren insomnia. You said that it was specifically designed for Tren insomnia. Why Tren? Then it was claimed it was designed for Test insomnia too. Why Test too? What about the other steroids that cause irritability and agression, like Halotestin, Test Suspension or Anadrol. How can one porduct be a 'cure-all' for the side effect generated by some very different synthetic hormones? Below is a copy of your first post. In my experience of 7 oxo DHEA and Pregnenolone I've experienced nothing BUT irritability an nausea. It is logical that those 2 fairly benign 'hormones' or derivatives will have a comparatively weak opposing effect on the side effect of some very powerful synthetic hormones.
Below is the my original post that was responded to by yourself.
Re: Tren is awesome!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mbluett
Does anyone have some advice on how to conquer the Tren insomnia. I tried 1.5mg of Xanax last night and it did shit!?
"P SEVEN ORANGE!!
It's formulated for use with tren."
This was another post of mine, "Tren insomnia":
I'm currently on week 2 of a tren/winny/sust cycle. The tren has given me serious insomnia. I'm an insomniac as it is, but this is like being in 'hyper-vigilante mode' 24/7. I found a good remedy though: 0.5mg Xanax and 75mg Trazodone. Now i'm having a good refreshing 8 hours sleep.
Now after seeing what PRESCRIPTION medications I have tried for Tren insomnia, do you still honestly believe that P7 would touch my insomnia???
Next quote:
Originally Posted by ulter
"After a ridiculously childish post like that I wouldn't give you the time of day let alone clinical research. Since you know what's in it you can look it up yourself. Having an opinion of a product you've tried is certainly worth hearing about. Whether you like or dislike one of our products we'd like to know about it so we can ask how it was used and maybe learn something. But you are attacking me personally and a product you have never even seen. That's the kind of posting that gets people banned here."
Is it "childish" to get annoyed with someone who keeps telling you that their product is going to work when you've had to resort to pharmaceuticals to keep a nights sleep?
Why won't you provide any clinical research? This is obviously not for my benefit, but for others. I feel that it is important in the supplement industry to have your products backed by science. It is the reason that I buy EAS products, because it is backed by university and clinical studies. These studies are readily available to the public in a published booklet. BTW I have looked up clinical studies on the ingredients in P7 and have considered them in formulation too. What I was really hoping for was that you would provide us with these studies.
I hope this has balanced my argument in favour of logic and less toward a personal attack.
bicepts101
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to the top for ulter to see
No one is pushing anything on you. If I was sitting in your living room refusing to leave without a sales THAT would be pushing you to buy it. My suggestion to use it is to the entire board. If you don't want to use it then don't.
The product nets me $3 and if you think I spent all this time trying to make $3 on you your wrong. This is our least profitable product but for many it does the most good. I don't tell people about it for the money I tell them about it the same way I would post about PCT. To help people. 75% of my posts have nothing to do with the products I sell and I was posting here 2 years before there was an AF Store. So your way off base.
Why test and why tren? This coming from someone who studied endocrinology.
They are male hormones. The hormones in P Seven are female hormones. They offset the raised levels of male hormones and calm you down.
If you have the background you say you do then 15 minutes on a computer looking up the effects of progestins like pregnenolone on males would have explained this all to you. It is not my intention to hand over all the research we have showing what our product will do to our competitors by posting it here like a roadmap of how to rip off our formula.
There is a reason companies in the US don't give out doses of the ingredients in their formulas. They say proprietary blend. There is a reason they don't put all the clinical data they have on the ingredients on the internet. The reason is that someone will rip them off. There are no patents allowed on supplements in the US. That's why we use the results of our users and that's why we introduce the products on these boards. Because testimonials are the safest, most understandable, and most trusted form of proving our products do what we say. If that's not good enough for you then don't buy it.
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pregnenolone is also a "powerful steroid", a powerful neurosteroid.
it has a anxiolytic effect and generally (in most individuals) improves mood.
as a note- Pseven was not specifically designed to combat tren related insomnia, though it was designed to improve mood and enhance sleep, it just happened that many with tren related insomnia responded very well to it.
also note that nandrolone can ameliorate the effects, not necessarily will , but can.
it has a anxiolytic effect and generally (in most individuals) improves mood.
as a note- Pseven was not specifically designed to combat tren related insomnia, though it was designed to improve mood and enhance sleep, it just happened that many with tren related insomnia responded very well to it.
also note that nandrolone can ameliorate the effects, not necessarily will , but can.
I have had insomnia for years, and just recently the Dr. put me on a lite dose of Trazadone. This is the best thing to happen to me yet. I tried numerous remedies over the years and nothing has allowed me a full nites sleep like this has. I also have no groggy hung-over feeling in the morn like I would get from other sleep preps.
