hey, i just wanna say something real quick. I've come across a few questions from people tonight, that desperately need help with their routines, and so forth. Honestly, some of the answers these questions get in return really tend to piss me off. I say if you are a newbie(2 or less years of training and knowledge, or under 16 years old), you cannot offer much valuable advice. Bodybuilding is not something that you can just assume answers to. It takes years of training to find what works best to progress and get bigger. Therefore, if you are a newbie(according to my guidelines stated above), it is my opinion that you should shut da hell up and listen to what the big boys have to say before you go around giving dumbbass answers like i've seen repeatedly tonight. So get some training under your belt, learn, and you too can be one of the big boys THANK YOU, and have a wonderful night.