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Please help new girl recover from overtraining! (long)

SnowCindy

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Hi everyone. I’m new here, and found this board because I’m looking for some help. Here is a history of my problem (I’ll try to keep it brief).

I am a woman in my mid thirties, and have been exercising regularly for several years. I am an expert snowboarder, and work out to keep in shape and improve my riding. I work every group, but make sure I especially keep my quads in shape. I’m not interested in gaining size; endurance and strength are my focus.

I work out at home (I am a housewife). My normal schedule was as follows, 5 days per week:

First thing in the morning: 20 minutes of stretching legs (have had 4 knee surgeries, and need to stay stretched to hold off a tendon replacement)

Morning workout: 60 minutes of cardio, strength training, and abs. Either a few sets on each group every day, or more sets on upper or lower body, alternating upper/lower days.

Afternoon workout: 30 minutes of moderate resistance/moderate RPMs exercise bike

After bike: 20 minutes of heat on knee, followed by 30 minutes of stretching legs.

This schedule was great until I got pneumonia in April. Had to take 6 weeks off of exercising. After that, had to come back slowly as I regained lung strength and capacity.

About 6 weeks back, about ¾ back to my previous levels, suddenly everything was easy. I added weights to my leg sets, and resistance to the bike. Still easy. Added more weights, and duration to the bike. Still easy. Added sets with weights and resistance to the bike. Still easy. (This all happened over about 2-3 weeks; I had increased weights, duration, and resistance by about 50% each with no problems or fatigue.) Suddenly, one day, what was easy the previous day felt near impossible. My quads were fatigued. I reduced weight and bike duration, but the pain got worse. I eliminated weights and reduced resistance, just doing the moves to maintain flexibility. The pain got worse. I couldn’t get my quads to rest; they were spasming and cramping. It hurt to go up and down stairs. I had most of the symptoms of overtraining syndrome; serious fatigue, high resting pulse rate, depression, confusion, infections, weakness (the other groups were weaker than usual), difficulty sleeping (couldn’t get my quads comfortable), lack of appetite, tendonitis, hands shaking, constant deep pain in my quads. It was really surprising and terrible.

I tried reducing my workouts, or only working other groups, but I was very weak. I kept stretching twice a day, and added more time with heat and some massage. It took 2 weeks of total rest until I could go up stairs without pain. I then rested another week.

Being without symptoms, I eased back into workouts. First, I used no weights, doing strength training 3 days, and 10 minute sessions on the bike the other two. I gradually increased weight, days with weights, and days and time on the bike. I was about halfway back to my post-pneumonia levels when it happened again; sudden, intense fatigue and pain in my quads, skin infection, overall fatigue, weakness, depression, fast pulse, the whole ball of wax. The kicker is this; I didn't start getting the fatigue and soreness in my quads until 5 days after the last real workout. (I had used no weights, and no time on the bike in between.) I just don’t get it.

My real problem is this: it is November, and ski resorts are opening. I need to be ready for the snow. It kills me to not exercise; I’m addicted to my workouts. I’m hoping someone can suggest something (supplement, stretching regimen, light exercises, anything) that can help me to get out of this more quickly, and keep it from happening again. As for diet, I’m a vegetarian who eats very healthy, with dairy (mostly nonfat), eggs, soy, and protein powder as my protein sources. I have increased my intake recently in response to this, but it was never too low.

Please, can someone help me? I would love any suggestions!! Thanks!
 
Sorry to read this. Have you tried swimming as a way to gain core strength and endurance? Also, could you contact a doctor who could look into why your body appears to be acting so radically these past few months?

I also would never stretch cold first thing in the morning, but if that is working for you then I'm not one to change it as I've never had knee surgery.

Good luck!
 
how is your fat intake?

do you think you have enough electrolytes with as much as you are working out and sweating?

do you supplement your foods anyways? taking a multi to make up for what you are missing with meats.

do you combine foods correctly? since you are a vegetarian, it should go without saying that you know what you are doing, but i thought I'd ask anyways.

you might want to look at some of the stuff Bill Pearl wrote, I believe he was a vegetarian bb'er.
 
maybe its your food and rest that needs to be critiqued. post your diet. maybe youre not eating properly. Im a sponsored snowboarder and had knee surgery to fix my meniscus but my acl is still torn but im able to ride with it like that as long as my quads can handle endurance and are fairly strong. i just do a leg workout once a week and go on the bike when i want to increase my endurance and will do the resistance bike for several weeks to get my endurance back.
 
I really appreciate the suggestions everyone has made so far, and will try to answer any questions.

I would love to swim, if we had a pool. Unfortunately, responsibilities at home prevent me from being out of the house for extended periods most days. My morning stretch is a light stretch, just to get my legs ready for the day. My knee has a hard time stabilizing when doing lunges with the opposite leg, and stretching seems to make that a little easier.

I haven't been to a doctor about these recent problems becuase I don't have much confidence in their knowledge of exercise regimens and performance. I imagine talking to my doctor and seeing this glaze come over her eyes. But, I may be wrong.

I think I do pretty well in combining foods, but I could be wrong. I took a nutrition class in college when I became a vegetarian (almost 12 years ago) so I would do it right. It has been a while, but I try to keep informed with reading.

On my knees, I have had two lateral releases (one on each knee), a meniscus repair (left) and open realignment (right--tendon and quadriceps). A few years ago, I was building my quads a lot and wasn't stretching, and did some damage to my right tendon. I was told it may last 5 years, but could go more if I stay strong and stretched. The recovery last time was pretty tough, and I really want to wait as long as I can before another.

Well, here is my usual daily intake. I do relax a bit (only a bit) on the weekends and allow a couple of small treats a week, but this is what it is most days.

Supplements: multi vltamin, B-complex, flaxseed oil, calcium, evening primrose oil, ginkgo biloba (strong family alzheimer's link), lecithin (I hate egg yolks), niacin and garlic (family cholesterol problems), vitamins C and E, and chromium.

Food:
Breakfast: 1 slice whole grain bread (about 85 calories)
1 slice american cheese or 1 1/2 tablespoons peanut butter
3 slices vegetarian bacon
1 banana

Mid-morning: 1 cup nonfat milk with 1 scoop (10 grams) milk and egg protein powder

Lunch: 1-2 hard boiled egg whites
1 cup nonfat milk

Mid-afternoon: 1/2 cup soybeans
1 cup nonfat milk
1 small apple (sometimes)
about 20 pretzel sticks (about 45 calories--I get the munchies)

Dinner: medium/large salad with 2 tablespoons ranch dressing
protein--veggie burger patty, baked tofu, or omelet (whites only),
1 glass wine (family alzheimer's link)
either some carbohydrate (1/2 - 3/4 cup pasta, 1/2 cup rice, small baked potato), or fruit (orange, bunch of grapes)

Snack: fudgsicle (about 80 calories) or miniature candy bar (about 100 calories)--I need some chocolate!!

I drink about 3 quarts of water a day. I drink one can of diet, decaf soda a day (caffeine causes arrhythmia for me), and occastionally decaf tea.

To me, I don't think I eat too much for my size (5'10", with a large bone structure). The last couple of months, eating this, I have been gaining about 3 pounds a month, and it isn't muscle. Maybe you can see something I'm missing.

Thanks for all your help. I really appreciate it!! :) :)
 
to me for what youre doin the diet looks fine. if not resting enough, your body will have an increase in cortisol which will mean more fat and less muscle. ive been battling with sleep issues for 2 years and its messin me up real bad. i lift hard and eat clean food all day and put on more fat than muscle because of not enough sleep.
 
that does not sound like overtraining (which just is like a flu). You sound like you have rhabdomialysis. Something is wrong. I would advise medical care. CPK, Electrolytes and some other blood tests at least to rule out a immune-generated attack on your muscle initiated from your recent respiratory infection (that would be one concern). I am also worried about oddballs like lupus, scleroderma, yada yada, ms, guiliann-barre . . . etc. I would just seek an internal medicine physician and describe the physical symptoms and spasm to get the tests. The exercise talk would confuse them because they would write you off as you yourself did, and they need to understand that what you are doing (in terms of mechanical load) is not very significant, a very low stimulus for a healthy, athletic woman. My wife is older, has some health issues of late, and never did something like competitve boarding, and yet she would smoke the minimal workout you are trying to scrape through. Something is seriously wrong with your quad muscle, its attachments or physiology.
 
I have been wondering about my sleep and stress levels. I'm always told I'm too goal-orianted in my workouts; every week I have to work longer, bike farther, lift more than the week before. I may try reducing the number of my workouts, and stick to more intense workouts focused on one group, once a week for each group, with bike sessions for cardio and endurance.

I have also been wondering about going to the doctor. I just hate to go and deal with all the HMO crap. I'm trying to eliminate all the possibilities before I resort to that. I have thought about some of the things mentioned: I have had an autoimmune disease (RA), but it has been in remission for years, and I don't have any symptoms now. I also may try to tweak my diet a bit, see if I can shift more caloric intake to earlier in the day.

The thing that really gets me is the delay in the muscle fatigue. For me, fatigue and/or soreness has always hit 1-2 days after a hard workout. I don't get why now it takes 5-7 days for me to feel it. If I felt it sooner, I would know to rest sooner, and wouldn't keep beating the muscles up in a weakened state. Has anyone else experienced this? Anyone else with such delayed muscle soreness following a hard workout? Thanks a million!!
 
SnowCindy said:
I have been wondering about my sleep and stress levels. I'm always told I'm too goal-orianted in my workouts; every week I have to work longer, bike farther, lift more than the week before. I may try reducing the number of my workouts, and stick to more intense workouts focused on one group, once a week for each group, with bike sessions for cardio and endurance.

I have also been wondering about going to the doctor. I just hate to go and deal with all the HMO crap. I'm trying to eliminate all the possibilities before I resort to that. I have thought about some of the things mentioned: I have had an autoimmune disease (RA), but it has been in remission for years, and I don't have any symptoms now. I also may try to tweak my diet a bit, see if I can shift more caloric intake to earlier in the day.

The thing that really gets me is the delay in the muscle fatigue. For me, fatigue and/or soreness has always hit 1-2 days after a hard workout. I don't get why now it takes 5-7 days for me to feel it. If I felt it sooner, I would know to rest sooner, and wouldn't keep beating the muscles up in a weakened state. Has anyone else experienced this? Anyone else with such delayed muscle soreness following a hard workout? Thanks a million!!


agree, see a doctor and get some tests done! (im the same dont have alot of faith in doctors but by what i just read you should definately go!) if you decide to go let us know what the results were!
 
Well, here is the update.

For the past month, I have continued to have almost constant muscle fatigue and soreness in my quads. The most I've been able to get in is 2 light workouts a week. I'm going snowboarding in the next couple of weeks and am a little fearful of what I'll be able to handle.

I saw my internal medicine doctor. She suspected an electrolyte imbalance, hypothyroidism, chronic inflamation, and a few other things. She tested everything under the sun in blood tests. Everything was negative. Blood sugar was fine. Thyroid is good. No chemical signs of muscle breakdown or inflamation. Nothing to indicate why this is happening. She offered to refer me to a neurologist, but I asked for a physical therapy referral first--maybe someone objective, who is somewhat knowledgeable, can make quantative observations to help define or clarify this problem. In the meantime, I'm planning on starting back on workouts tomorrow (my doctor ordered a 2-week rest). I'm going to begin light and easy, and gradually try to work my way back. I'm anticipating a return of the more intense muscle soreness and fatigue with the increase in exercise. I've used massage, stretching, and heat to try to combat it. Any suggestions/coping strategies for the soreness? What do you use to help your muscles recover more quickly? Any magical tricks out there? I'll try just about anything.

Thanks for all your help. :)
 
there will be a lot of doubters, but if you go to the health food store and get powered L-glutamine and take a tablespoon every day in your shake or juice, it will help tremedously. on days you work out, take another tablespoon at night.
 
Are you supplementing with any branch-chain amino acids? I have a memory of reading that a vegetarian diet can be deficient. As, Stilleto mentions, L_Glutamine can often help with muscle soreness and can also help with sleep if taken on an empty stomach.

You also mention difficulty sleeping in the first post. Are you getting adequate sleep now?
 
Right now, I'm supplementing with L-Carnitine. That is my only amino acid right now. I picked up some L-Glutamine today and will give it a try starting this weekend.

My sleep lately is adequate. I tend to sleep well in general; I fall asleep easily and quickly and sleep soundly. It is much easier on nights my quads don't hurt. When they do, I find I have to sleep on my stomach, with pillows under my torso and head, to stretch my hip flexors and quads a little while I lay in that position. Just that small amount of stretching seems to help the muscles relax a bit, helping the spasms to ease, and making it easier to fall asleep.
 
I swear the glutamine works. I trained someone (a woman) who was really hesitant to lift at all because she got VERY sore and doesn't deal with pain well. She would get sore from doing UNWEIGHTED squats.
so i made her start taking l-glutamine in the dose i told you, because i know its helped me in the past. she took it and said she hasn't been sore since, even with weights.
 
Thanks a million stilleto and blut wump. I tried the L-Glutamine, and it really has made a big difference. I took it with me on a snowboarding weekend; it was a powder weekend, which is really hard on the legs, and I didn't get any soreness. My legs are still rather weak, so I didn't spend all day on the hill, but I did kamikaze lots of runs each day, to see if my legs could take it. I didn't have as much endurance as last year, but, before the L-Glutamine, I would have been in agony with the soreness. I'm back to 5 workouts a week, light weights, but I am working my way back. I may have a little fatigue, but nothing anywhere near as bad as the soreness before. How long do you expect I will need to take it? I'm guessing the soreness was because it was depleted in those muscles. Can I create new stores in those muscles, or will it likely be a cronic issue? I haven't read about any side effects of long-term use. Do you know of any problems with that? Like I said, it has made a huge difference, and I really appreciate the suggestion. Thanks so much!!! :)
 
I've taken L Glutamine on and off for a couple of years and it still helps during times of hard training. I'm sorry that I can't offer any better suggestion than to see whether you can stop taking it at your leisure. I've seen no mention of any side-effects of persistent use.

Congratulations on finding an easing of your discomfort. Maybe, having found relief with the amino acid, you can press your doctor for more help and information. It sounds as though you had a fun time.

Thanks for reporting back.
 
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