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dips will help greatly...for maximum chest benefit, you will want to have ur elbows placed outward(as opposed to straight back emphasizing triceps) and lean foward...if this is hard, put ur head foward...weighing 8-10 lbs, it will help alot...put ur hands a lil further than body width, about shoulder width apart...dip stations are pretty standard...that will lead to AWESOME growth in ur pecs...really made mine quite thick! for back, deadlift is king...rows are excellent as well...you have two planes to work in...pulling into ur body, such as bent over row...this will tend to add thickness...whereas pulling down toward ur body, such as lat pulldown and pullups are for width...hope this helps brotha...keep pounding away!
 
magman1 said:
dips will help greatly...for maximum chest benefit, you will want to have ur elbows placed outward(as opposed to straight back emphasizing triceps) and lean foward...if this is hard, put ur head foward...weighing 8-10 lbs, it will help alot...put ur hands a lil further than body width, about shoulder width apart...dip stations are pretty standard...that will lead to AWESOME growth in ur pecs...really made mine quite thick! for back, deadlift is king...rows are excellent as well...you have two planes to work in...pulling into ur body, such as bent over row...this will tend to add thickness...whereas pulling down toward ur body, such as lat pulldown and pullups are for width...hope this helps brotha...keep pounding away!
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Excellent advice as well as from walkingbeast! I am doing back today and I will impliment the deadlifts and tell you guys what I think. I'm surprised someone didn't tease me about the arm measurment lol. Beast, thanks for the encouragement, I could only wish to be compared to arnold one day. Thanks bro's, you make all the difference sometimes! Karma where deserved.

Chris
 
spoonta69 said:
hope to get my bf down to your level one day.
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Thanks, thats actually very encourageing to me!

Deadlift Update! Jesus Christ Holy Mother I feel like I got hit by a bus... I did 5 sets @ 10 reps of bench over rows and lord I'm soar, loving it! Im anxious to try the dips as you described.

Chris
 
khemix said:


Thanks, thats actually very encourageing to me!

Deadlift Update! Jesus Christ Holy Mother I feel like I got hit by a bus... I did 5 sets @ 10 reps of bench over rows and lord I'm soar, loving it! Im anxious to try the dips as you described.

Chris
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sounds like taking beast's advice is workin for ya brotha..keep up the work. :D tb
 
A couple points:

1. I fully agree on the dips. These are more productive than the bench press for me. Some call it the upper body squat. Anyway, a vital point to remember is that the upper arms should go to parallel on the decent, AND NO LOWER. This is what fucks up many trainees' shoulders.

2. Bent over rows are awesome. 5 sets of 10 is overkill, though. If you can do that many without passing out in a puddle of your own vomit, you're not training them hard enough. I do 2 sets of 8. That and 2 sets of 8 pulldowns are definitely enough for the back (not counting deadlifts).

3. The reason you say your arms "seem bigger" is because EVERYONE exaggerates their arms. I surprised how many people on this board say they have 18" arms when it looks like they're 16, 17 tops. If you want to know the arm measurement of an elite, truthfully natural bodybuilder who is well-proportioned; 5'10" 230 lbs at 8% bodyfat has 17" hanging, 18" flexed arms. I swear most guys that would be lucky enough to have his genetics would claim they had 20-21" arms. 18" (ACCURATE) arms are enormous, unless you're extremely tall.
 
Debaser said:
A couple points:

1. I fully agree on the dips. These are more productive than the bench press for me. Some call it the upper body squat. Anyway, a vital point to remember is that the upper arms should go to parallel on the decent, AND NO LOWER. This is what fucks up many trainees' shoulders.

2. Bent over rows are awesome. 5 sets of 10 is overkill, though. If you can do that many without passing out in a puddle of your own vomit, you're not training them hard enough. I do 2 sets of 8. That and 2 sets of 8 pulldowns are definitely enough for the back (not counting deadlifts).

3. The reason you say your arms "seem bigger" is because EVERYONE exaggerates their arms. I surprised how many people on this board say they have 18" arms when it looks like they're 16, 17 tops. If you want to know the arm measurement of an elite, truthfully natural bodybuilder who is well-proportioned; 5'10" 230 lbs at 8% bodyfat has 17" hanging, 18" flexed arms. I swear most guys that would be lucky enough to have his genetics would claim they had 20-21" arms. 18" (ACCURATE) arms are enormous, unless you're extremely tall.
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My arms are 17 7/8 with the tape completely straight with no slack in the tape, also measure the largest section of the upper arm, about mid bicep, thats flexed and without a pump. Though they are only 15.5 completely relaxed. Far from enormous as far as Im concerned. Im 185. Whats more accurate then keeping the tape straight? Ive seen some who move the tape a little to the side when measuring, and consider that cheating, cuz you can get an extra inch easy with that method. ThanX
 
First of all, I hope you don't think that I was accusing you as one of the ones who was lying :)

It sounds like you have good shape to your arms, and that your peak must be huge to have that difference in the flexed measurement. That's why I'm starting to think that a measurement while the arm is hanging is the best indicator. Something that happens also when you flex, is many people have the tape not against the skin everywhere, like at the gap between your bis and tris. I'm not saying you do this, but it's another place where people like to get an inch out of.
 
Also I should add I think 18 is way overrated by alot of people. There was a time when I thought 18 was enormous, but after seeing guys who claim 20" in my gym, it doesnt seem so big anymore. Also I used to train with my uncle who at one point, was 280 at 12% BF with 23 inch arms, so I dont view 18 as much. JMO
 
Debaser said:
A couple points:

1. I fully agree on the dips. These are more productive than the bench press for me. Some call it the upper body squat. Anyway, a vital point to remember is that the upper arms should go to parallel on the decent, AND NO LOWER. This is what fucks up many trainees' shoulders.

2. Bent over rows are awesome. 5 sets of 10 is overkill, though. If you can do that many without passing out in a puddle of your own vomit, you're not training them hard enough. I do 2 sets of 8. That and 2 sets of 8 pulldowns are definitely enough for the back (not counting deadlifts).

3. The reason you say your arms "seem bigger" is because EVERYONE exaggerates their arms. I surprised how many people on this board say they have 18" arms when it looks like they're 16, 17 tops. If you want to know the arm measurement of an elite, truthfully natural bodybuilder who is well-proportioned; 5'10" 230 lbs at 8% bodyfat has 17" hanging, 18" flexed arms. I swear most guys that would be lucky enough to have his genetics would claim they had 20-21" arms. 18" (ACCURATE) arms are enormous, unless you're extremely tall.
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Everything dually noted! I'll try doing 4 sets of 6-8, with heavier weight. I seem to see better results with more sets. As far as the arm measurements i can believe that most exaggerate, makes plenty of sense. I can't wait to try the dips on bench day! Thanks everybody! Especially Debaser and WalkingBeast!

Chris
 
hey baby theres some things i dont get on here but i finally figured out how to work this damn thing so umm...yay..and ya..i love the fact that when i read this stuff...some of it makes no sense to me but o well...ima leave now i guess lol i love you!
p.s. just for the hell of it...you still have a cute belly button (dont yall just love that im a complete dork?¿?)
p.p.s.im his girlfriend and i made his avatar!lol..ok im done now..
~christie~
 
Nice lean physique, but I really don't think you need that much gear to grow. You would be better served to consult a professional bodybuilding trainer and have him teach you how to eat properly. Then you would be able to take 1/4th the amount of gear you are using and get double the results.
 
Debaser said:
First of all, I hope you don't think that I was accusing you as one of the ones who was lying :)

It sounds like you have good shape to your arms, and that your peak must be huge to have that difference in the flexed measurement. That's why I'm starting to think that a measurement while the arm is hanging is the best indicator. Something that happens also when you flex, is many people have the tape not against the skin everywhere, like at the gap between your bis and tris. I'm not saying you do this, but it's another place where people like to get an inch out of.
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No not at all bro. I didnt take it that way. :D Ive always had good peaks even when I had 15 inch arms, nothing incredible though, but a definate peaked bulge. haha If I measured them hanging without flexing at all, Id have some much smaller arms! 15.5 most likely. Hanging is hard for me to measure also, cuz the tape tends to fall down, atleast for me. I really try to make sure that gap isnt there, by looking at it in the mirror and moving it around to different angles. I dont pull the tape real tight though, I just flex it , keep it straight , pull it a little and make sure there are no visible gaps. But I know what you mean bro, my training partner likes to move one part of the tape to the side during measurements, and I correct him on that shit when hes with me, cuz in my eyes it has to be straight. He comes up with this BS that the tricep peak is a little this way, and the bicep peak over here, a peak to peak type of measurement. But I dont measure that way. ThanX for the response! :D
 
khemix said:


Everything dually noted! I'll try doing 4 sets of 6-8, with heavier weight. I seem to see better results with more sets. As far as the arm measurements i can believe that most exaggerate, makes plenty of sense. I can't wait to try the dips on bench day! Thanks everybody! Especially Debaser and WalkingBeast!

Chris
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Your very welcome brother!!!!! Keep getting bigger and stronger! I definately agree with Debaser 100% on the exagerrating arm size thing. Sixteen inch muscular, strictly measured arms are no joke, I hardly even noticed my increases after 16 inches, cuz sixteen was already thick. Hell, to me its lying! I recently called someone on it in my gym. This kid who takes ALOT of juice and sells it at my gym ws claiming 20 inch arms. Though he looked quite bigger then me when we were both relaxed, I believed it was possible. It turns out though after I got the tape and measured them myself, I came out with 18.25, he had a slight pump. I even adjusted the tape til I got the largest measurement. I wasnt an asshole about it, but it made me feel better to see that theres alot of bullshit out there. Im 18.5 with a full pump. Thing is with him is that his arm is nearly the same size relaxed as flexed, thus the reason he looks thicker then me, also his muscle is pretty soft as well. He didnt even think to flex it, guess he knew. I always have two sets of tape, one that slightly differs from the other, so I do have my favorite tape, but only use the strictest one for my yearly measurements. I should call more people out to back up their shit!! haha :D
 
The_Eviscerator said:
Nice lean physique, but I really don't think you need that much gear to grow. You would be better served to consult a professional bodybuilding trainer and have him teach you how to eat properly. Then you would be able to take 1/4th the amount of gear you are using and get double the results.
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I agree I would stay off the gear until you reach a very long standing plateau, where you cant even put 1/4 on your arms for a few years. Itll give you a real solid base to bulk off of. Maybe even 20 inch arms of quality muscle before you even start your first cycle. Thats what Im trying for. It does take a shitload of patience no doubt, but to me its worth it. :D
 
khemix said:


Excellent advice as well as from walkingbeast! I am doing back today and I will impliment the deadlifts and tell you guys what I think. I'm surprised someone didn't tease me about the arm measurment lol. Beast, thanks for the encouragement, I could only wish to be compared to arnold one day. Thanks bro's, you make all the difference sometimes! Karma where deserved.

Chris
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Awesome brother! Your gonna love deadlifts! I cant say I enjoyed them in the beginning, they were awkward. But they become really fun once you see that weight piling up. And it does, fast! Then eventually you can switch it up with rack pulls (deadlifts off the power rack) and other variations! PM me anytime if you got any questions and Id be glad to help! I cant say enough about deadlifts! Let me just put it this way, I now have an entire deadlift and back day, and most of this day is deadlifts for 6-8 hours! I love it! Has become one of my favorite ecercises, my favorite being the Beast Lift ive named, a deadlift with the bar behind the legs. Sixteen is a nice arm measurement! Nothing to tease about! I dont think anyone is ever truly satisfied, I know I never will be. I still see myself as either skinny or fat with small arms, so I understand the self esteem issues, not to mention I got fucked with majorly through out most of my life, and its what drives me! You will acheive whatever you dedicate yourself to! :D
 
for deads...a common beginner mistake...make sure you keep the weight back in ur heels...make the way up one motion, not raising, then pulling ur back up...hope that makes sense...bent overs...full range of motion...i see soooo many schmucks with 225 on the bar, getting shit from the movement cuz they do about 1/4 of it...dips...the bottom 2/3 of the movement really pound anterior delts and chest...upper 1/3 and lockout really hit triceps...so try and spread the training of these three muscles out!
 
magman1 said:
for deads...a common beginner mistake...make sure you keep the weight back in ur heels...make the way up one motion, not raising, then pulling ur back up...hope that makes sense...bent overs...full range of motion...i see soooo many schmucks with 225 on the bar, getting shit from the movement cuz they do about 1/4 of it...dips...the bottom 2/3 of the movement really pound anterior delts and chest...upper 1/3 and lockout really hit triceps...so try and spread the training of these three muscles out!
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Great advice. Id reccomend a pair of basic converse shoes also. I just bought some yesterday and theyve already made a big difference in the deadlifts. The sole is thin, being lower to the ground is a major advantage, and they have an even sole, so you dont feel like your falling forward with the weight. Definately reccomend them
 
yeah, u look like a young, stylish guy(much like myself:) ) so im guessing you have pretty new running shoes you wear to the gym...nothing wrong with that except on squat and deadlift day...converse are good, air force ones, anything with a worn heel...but running shoes are the worst...they are designed to put the emphasis of your weight on the balls of ur feet!
 
November 1st... wonder if this works? Bad lighting though
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Thanks brute. The funny thing is I've never cut up before. I have no real diet other than consume as many calories as possible. This includes canybars, potatoes, steak, junk food, etc. Anything and everything. Anyone else got some comments? They were all taken on either Nov 1st or 2nd. Thanks again guys!

Chris
 
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