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themanc84

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I bought Phytoserms 347 after reading one of the George Spellwin announcements on this forum. I no longer see that page available even though it was only posted on August 4th. In the sticky it said that individuals under 200 lbs should take 1 pill, and individuals over 200 lbs should take 2 pills. I'm well under 200 lbs so I justified purchasing this product (at its ridiculous price I might add) due to the fact that it would last for 2 months.

When I received the product it said Serving Size was 2 pills and each Serving Size provided 600mg of this Proprietary Blend. I was confused, so I went back and read the sticky. It said that the Ruthless Supplements product endorsed by George offered 600mg of their proprietary blend PER CAPSULE. I thought this was misleading so I looked on Needtobuildmuscle.com and found slightly different information on this product--1 pill= 500mg Proprietary Blend.

I am confused. I have no idea how much I should take. The George Spellwin sticky disappeared this morning. Needto never messaged me back. I've been taking 1 pill for a few days and I feel nothing so far. On the sticky it says there is a 100% money back guarentee. I went to the Ruthless Supplements website and I cannot find a return policy, contact us link, or an FAQ. For example, this is what you get when you click on FAQ...

[[Answer commonly asked questions on this page to save both you and your customers time.

Here's what you get when you click on contact us...

[[Let guests know how to contact you on this page. Provide phone numbers and email addresses for your sales and customer service teams, hours during which representatives are available, and set expectations for response times.

And most importantly, here's what you get when you click on returns...

[[Explain your return policy on this page. Be very clear about how long customers have to return items, the condition (unopened, still wrapped, etc.) of items that can be returned, the return process, return shipping costs, and any exceptions (items that cannot be returned, etc.)]]

I'm really pissed off about my purchase. I spent $147 on a product that lead us to believe would last for 2 months. Seems like that is untrue.
 
Here's George's reply:

George Spellwin said:
So I just spoke with this guys at Ruthless Supplements about the label issue that our member themanc84 brought to my attention.

The Phytoserms label reads 60 capsules per bottle, Serving Size 2 capsules, Servinge Per Container 2 Capsules, 10mg Zinc, 600mg Proprietary Blend of Urtica Dioica Extract (Pharmaceutical Grade Extract Containing SHBG Binding Lignans 3,4-Divanillytetrahydrofuran and Secoisolarciresinol), Fadogia Agrestis, ProLensis (Bulbine Natalensis P.E).

What I learned is that EACH capsule contains 600mg of their Proprietary Blend, so, if you take a serving of 2 capsules, you are actually getting 1200mg of the Proprietary Blend not 600mg. The label should read for a serving size of 1 cap, there are 60 servings, at 600mg and for a serving size of 2 caps, there are 30 servings, at 1200mg.

Personally, if I were taking this supplement, I would start with 1 cap and work up to 2 caps if I needed them. Of course, when I got my sample bottle, stupidly, I started taking 4 caps and would up with a priapism. So, if you want a good laugh at my expense, you can read about my boner that wouldn't go away here:

How George Spellwin got a boner that wouldn't go away!

And here is the link to my original article.
Phytoserms-347 Testosterone Booster with 347% Surge, Decimates Estrogen, Unrivaled Pro-Sexual Effects
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themanc84 said:
I bought Phytoserms 347 after reading one of the George Spellwin announcements on this forum. I no longer see that page available even though it was only posted on August 4th. In the sticky it said that individuals under 200 lbs should take 1 pill, and individuals over 200 lbs should take 2 pills. I'm well under 200 lbs so I justified purchasing this product (at its ridiculous price I might add) due to the fact that it would last for 2 months.

When I received the product it said Serving Size was 2 pills and each Serving Size provided 600mg of this Proprietary Blend. I was confused, so I went back and read the sticky. It said that the Ruthless Supplements product endorsed by George offered 600mg of their proprietary blend PER CAPSULE. I thought this was misleading so I looked on Needtobuildmuscle.com and found slightly different information on this product--1 pill= 500mg Proprietary Blend.

I am confused. I have no idea how much I should take. The George Spellwin sticky disappeared this morning. Needto never messaged me back. I've been taking 1 pill for a few days and I feel nothing so far. On the sticky it says there is a 100% money back guarentee. I went to the Ruthless Supplements website and I cannot find a return policy, contact us link, or an FAQ. For example, this is what you get when you click on FAQ...

[[Answer commonly asked questions on this page to save both you and your customers time.

Here's what you get when you click on contact us...

[[Let guests know how to contact you on this page. Provide phone numbers and email addresses for your sales and customer service teams, hours during which representatives are available, and set expectations for response times.

And most importantly, here's what you get when you click on returns...

[[Explain your return policy on this page. Be very clear about how long customers have to return items, the condition (unopened, still wrapped, etc.) of items that can be returned, the return process, return shipping costs, and any exceptions (items that cannot be returned, etc.)]]

I'm really pissed off about my purchase. I spent $147 on a product that lead us to believe would last for 2 months. Seems like that is untrue.
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Youve been taking it a few days?? Supplements are not jack's magic bean stalk beans that grow a mile high tree in ten seconds... If your expecting results from things in a few days then you are completely clueless and shouldnt be using anything... What was your purpose for using this particular product? Are you using it in pct? Do you even know what its used for... When you find a product that works in a few days make sure to let everyone here know because jn my decade of using supps and through my lifelong studies, ive yet to come across this magic pill so enlighten us all when you make the discovery


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I understand you're a moderator. And thank you for picking out the only part of my review that you can actually criticize me for. I am not concerned about the effectiveness of this product. I wrote the review to inform people who are interested in buying the product that the dosing on the write up is misleading and inaccurate.

FACTS:
George's sticky states that EACH CAPSULE yields 600mg of the proprietary blend. AND that individuals under 200 lbs may take 1 pill.

The bottle I received, says that 2 capsules yield 600mg of their proprietary blend and it says nothing about individuals under 200 lbs using 1 pill.

The supplement is overpriced.

The Ruthless Supplements website is incomplete and contains no FAQ's, no Contact Info, and no Return Policy.

George's sticky says that Ruthless Supplements offers a 100% return policy

No one on here, including the people who endorse this product can come on here and clear up the dosage.

Can you refute any of the facts that I just stated?

I purchased this item and would like to know how to properly use it, I am a 165 lb individual, 5'5 height, age 28, that is looking to boost testosterone.

The information given on this product has varied to say the least. Until someone can come on here and clear this up, I urge people not to spend $147 on a 1 month supply of this product.
 
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themanc84 said:
I understand you're a moderator. And thank you for picking out the only part of my review that you can actually criticize me for. I am not concerned about the effectiveness of this product. I wrote the review to inform people who are interested in buying the product that the dosing on the write up is misleading and inaccurate.

FACTS:
George's sticky states that EACH CAPSULE yields 600mg of the proprietary blend. AND that individuals under 200 lbs may take 1 pill.

The bottle I received, says that 2 capsules yield 600mg of their proprietary blend and it says nothing about individuals under 200 lbs using 1 pill.

The supplement is overpriced.

The Ruthless Supplements website is incomplete and contains no FAQ's, no Contact Info, and no Return Policy.

George's sticky says that Ruthless Supplements offers a 100% return policy

No one on here, including the people who endorse this product can come on here and clear up the dosage.

Can you refute any of the facts that I just stated?

I purchased this item and would like to know how to properly use it, I am a 165 lb individual, 5'5 height, age 28, that is looking to boost testosterone.

The information given on this product has varied to say the least. Until someone can come on here and clear this up, I urge people not to spend $147 on a 1 month supply of this product.
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I'm not a mod so if you are under the impression Dylan is bias because of his mod status then let a non mod tell you that I have never read a bad review of this product once ever. 90% of guys use it for PCT and everyone raves about it.
Your bitching about discrepencies between advertising sites. So instead of trying it out for yourself you now want to send it back. Dosing?? Really? number one...its a natty supp. Do you really think its going to hurt you if you take two? If you dont want to take two then just fucking take one. Christ man this isnt some big advertising conspiracy to sell more shit.
If your not running it for PCT ....no matter how good the supp is for pct i doubt you will be impressed with it as a "supplement cycle".
If you have such an issue with what George says compared to Ruthless then why dont you shoot George a PM and ask him WTF? Instead of pissing and moaning about it. Or maybe post a thread for experienced Phtyo users to clear some things up for you.
 
I posted a thread asking this question a few days ago. Several people responded and nobody knew the right answer. I sent Needto a PM a week ago and never got a response. I don't know how many people on here have used this new formula. But people used the old Phytoserms with good results when it sold for under $60.

I have no problem taking 2 pills, my main problem is with the cost. The bottle gives different directions than what was stated in the write up. That's misleading to the customer and it is also false advertising.
 
here's the problem with a guy like you... you have clue what your doing or taking... what do you expect a test booster to do? make you a ripped freak or maybe give you some sort of dramatic weight loss? these are designed to use after a cycle to help restore test and hpta, etc... they are to help with recovery... sure you can use it in other ways and it will help with well being, strength, etc... but as a standalone, what do you expect it to do? your expecting the world from it... its not a steroid or something that's going to provide some huge dramatic change in body composition... that's not what its intended for...

as far as needto and his policies... I KNOW NOONE THAT HAS BEEN UNSATISFIED THAT HE HASN'T TAKEN CARE OF... he is fucking busy running MANY businesses... if you have an issue, call the ntbm number that is listed EVERYWHERE, or read his sig and call him personally... I GUARANTEE you that he will take care of you... However the way you are going about things is completely wrong... you don't know what your doing and don't know how to handle things... call him and he will take care of you AND educate you on how to use the product and what to expect....
 
themanc84 said:
I posted a thread asking this question a few days ago. Several people responded and nobody knew the right answer. I sent Needto a PM a week ago and never got a response. I don't know how many people on here have used this new formula. But people used the old Phytoserms with good results when it sold for under $60.

I have no problem taking 2 pills, my main problem is with the cost. The bottle gives different directions than what was stated in the write up. That's misleading to the customer and it is also false advertising.
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I would have to imagine no one did it on purpose. The bottle says 2 pills and probably doesnt split body weights right? These guys are probably directing smaller guys to take 1 which is where that came from.
The difference between ruthless and N2BM.com is most likely a mistake on someones part.
 
I have used phytoserms myself many times in PCT, and it does exactly what it is meant to. It boosts test...period. You say you've been taking this for a few days and don't see anything from it yet? Of course not...its been a few days and you are running it standalone. When getting any supplement you need to have realistic expectations. There is no magic pill out there to give you what you are after. Your diet, training, and hard work is what does that.

As for the dosing, 1 cap under 200 lbs and 2 caps over 200 lbs is the normal protocol and always has been to my knowledge. I've always dosed it at one cap and that's all I've ever needed. The amount of bulbine to take is important to follow and stay within those guidelines. Taking too much bulbine for your body weight can actually cause a negative effect shown in studies, which is why they came out with the bodyweight dosing protocol.

From now on find out more information, and do more research about things before getting into them, and DO NOT come on our board bashing sponsors. There are better and more sensible ways of handling questions and concerns, and any issues you have with orders should be directed to the company.
 
Look at my user profile. I've been a member of this forum since 2005. That's longer than most of the people on here. I've used almost every product that hit the market, and almost every product endorsed on here over the years. I've done numerous steroid cycles including everything ranging from different Test blends, to Tren, EQ, you name it. I am very informed and I do a lot of research before making purchases and putting things into my body.

Over the last few months, I took somewhat a break from hardcore bodybuilding. I was working 50-60 hours a week, I was very busy, and I felt a little stressed and tired when it was all said and done. I wanted to try a new supplement to get me going again. I wasn't looking for steroid or pro-hormone types of gains. Those days are behind me. I was seeking an increase in drive and libido and I had already tried products like HcGenerate, Unleashed, Endosurge, DAA, and all that other stuff.

The research I've done on Bulbine Natalensis shows that a small dose is effective. But I'm not sure the exact amount that I'm taking in comparison to my bodyweight being that its a proprietary blend and I don't know the exact breakdown in ingredients.

And I've had good customer experiences with Nathan and NTBM in the past, but here's the problem. I didn't order this product from him. I ordered from the Ruthless SUpplements website. If you read what I wrote earlier you would know that. The Ruthless Supplement website has no contact information, no FAQ's, and no return policy.

I am looking for someone to come on here and tell me why the bottle says something different than what the write ups say. Then I'll be happy. Maybe its just carelessness. But until someone can clear this up, then naturally I'm going to assume that its a marketing scheme and is potentially false advertising.
 
RickRock13 said:
I have used phytoserms myself many times in PCT, and it does exactly what it is meant to. It boosts test...period. You say you've been taking this for a few days and don't see anything from it yet? Of course not...its been a few days and you are running it standalone. When getting any supplement you need to have realistic expectations. There is no magic pill out there to give you what you are after. Your diet, training, and hard work is what does that.

As for the dosing, 1 cap under 200 lbs and 2 caps over 200 lbs is the normal protocol and always has been to my knowledge. I've always dosed it at one cap and that's all I've ever needed. The amount of bulbine to take is important to follow and stay within those guidelines. Taking too much bulbine for your body weight can actually cause a negative effect shown in studies, which is why they came out with the bodyweight dosing protocol.

From now on find out more information, and do more research about things before getting into them, and DO NOT come on our board bashing sponsors. There are better and more sensible ways of handling questions and concerns, and any issues you have with orders should be directed to the company.
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Thank you. You are the first person to state that you used 1 pill and it was an effective dose for you. I don't mean to start bashing sponsers, but if they are going to be selling products at such high cost, they need to make more effort in informing customers on how to properly use their formulas. As well as providing contact information on their website so people can ask questions.
 
themanc84 said:
Thank you. You are the first person to state that you used 1 pill and it was an effective dose for you. I don't mean to start bashing sponsers, but if they are going to be selling products at such high cost, they need to make more effort in informing customers on how to properly use their formulas. As well as providing contact information on their website so people can ask questions.
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I do know that the ruthless site had been under construction for a bit with some upgrades and changes. That may be why contact information hadn't been updated and why other info may be unavailable
 
I suggest not starting up threads stating "Don't buy ......" unless you have real reasoning to back your claim.. Elite fitness won't endorse companies that don't provide effective supplements bro... And this isn't always the case but here your going to pay for what you get...Its really not that bad of a price after using a coupon code too.. I'll be running some RS transaderm soon personally and couldn't be more pumped to give it a shot!

Nathan is a boss... Every time I have had called him personally.. He himself has picked up - Every time!!
I'll gladly continue to spend my $$$ at NTBM and all their associated sites (MR.S, RS, and PF).. Their supps simply work!
 
themanc84 said:
Look at my user profile. I've been a member of this forum since 2005. That's longer than most of the people on here. I've used almost every product that hit the market, and almost every product endorsed on here over the years. I've done numerous steroid cycles including everything ranging from different Test blends, to Tren, EQ, you name it. I am very informed and I do a lot of research before making purchases and putting things into my body.

Over the last few months, I took somewhat a break from hardcore bodybuilding. I was working 50-60 hours a week, I was very busy, and I felt a little stressed and tired when it was all said and done. I wanted to try a new supplement to get me going again. I wasn't looking for steroid or pro-hormone types of gains. Those days are behind me. I was seeking an increase in drive and libido and I had already tried products like HcGenerate, Unleashed, Endosurge, DAA, and all that other stuff.

The research I've done on Bulbine Natalensis shows that a small dose is effective. But I'm not sure the exact amount that I'm taking in comparison to my bodyweight being that its a proprietary blend and I don't know the exact breakdown in ingredients.

And I've had good customer experiences with Nathan and NTBM in the past, but here's the problem. I didn't order this product from him. I ordered from the Ruthless SUpplements website. If you read what I wrote earlier you would know that. The Ruthless Supplement website has no contact information, no FAQ's, and no return policy.

I am looking for someone to come on here and tell me why the bottle says something different than what the write ups say. Then I'll be happy. Maybe its just carelessness. But until someone can clear this up, then naturally I'm going to assume that its a marketing scheme and is potentially false advertising.
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Im not trying to be a dick and i definitely want to help any way i can but if you have such an extensive background and history then why would you be questioning the effectiveness of something after a few days.... I just dont understand... Ruthless is an ntbm entity and nate will take care of you if there are any problems...


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Not for nothing OP, but there is NO WAY this stuff doesn't work when the old formula made everyone feel like they were taking cialis everyday, myself included. The new formula is just stronger so just give it time and you'll be more than happy with it.
 
Everyone missed the real point behind the OP's original post. He did mention he feels nothing after a couple of days and I would bet he did so out of frustration that he had not had a response from Nathan but the real issue was that what was here on ef, the ntbm website and what was on the bottle he received was different and the difference is double the amount of money per pill. I think he has a fair claim. I know no one is trying to rip anyone off it will just be a mistake. Nathan is busy and sometimes he responds to me in 2 weeks or so... anyways PM a NTBM rep next time or call NTBM bro. I don't doubt you will get it sorted.
 
raze said:
Everyone missed the real point behind the OP's original post. He did mention he feels nothing after a couple of days and I would bet he did so out of frustration that he had not had a response from Nathan but the real issue was that what was here on ef, the ntbm website and what was on the bottle he received was different and the difference is double the amount of money per pill. I think he has a fair claim. I know no one is trying to rip anyone off it will just be a mistake. Nathan is busy and sometimes he responds to me in 2 weeks or so... anyways PM a NTBM rep next time or call NTBM bro. I don't doubt you will get it sorted.
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GTFOH!!! Who r u!?

A FEW days whats the frustation!

Test E take 6-8 to see results and you think a fucking pill is gonna be felt now!
 
TheRippedReverend said:
GTFOH!!! Who r u!?

A FEW days whats the frustation!

Test E take 6-8 to see results and you think a fucking pill is gonna be felt now!
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You can throw around who are you like your some kind of hero but its pretty clear what I wrote. He purchased a product based on the information here on EF and NTBM website and the product he received is different. The difference is double the money per serve. This is the issue not the actual product itself.
 
Agreed with op and raze,have no idea about product as never used it but the advertising is misleading and could be held up accountable for.I think the mods are being harsh here,no disrespect,but to bash him for stating facts about what was actually written is pretty low.and raze was the first to agree and you bash him.not good guys he was only asking a question
 
TheRippedReverend said:
GTFOH!!! Who r u!?

A FEW days whats the frustation!

Test E take 6-8 to see results and you think a fucking pill is gonna be felt now!
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This guy^^ beta penus eeta.

Op has a good point, I got a bottle and noticed the same thing. Regardless that it works it's still mis leading info
 
My only issue with the op is the statement he made about not feeling anything in just a few days... Theres legitamacy to everything else that was said and i tried to instruct him how to handle it the best i could


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^^^ true there is no magic pill lol people's grow a set and work out a little desire is what's needed.my misses and I have 8 kids between us but there I was after they went to bed last night doing deads squats calf raises and good mornings at 10 pm in my back yard till I puked! Cmon bring it!
 
The main purpose of why I created this post was to findout if 1 pill was an effective dose for an individual weighing under 200 lbs...NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THAT QUESTION!

Half of you are defending this product but can anyone provide solid feedback on the results they got while using only 1 pill. I'm talking about this formula, not the old one.

Someone mentioned Test E in one of his replies. If you ordered Test E dosed at 600mg/ml, then sent it to the lab and found out that it was underdosed by half, would you recommend that product to other users?

Another poster laughed at me for spending $150 on a test booster, and rightfully so. The product is laughably expensive to begin with which is why I became pretty annoyed when I was mislead by the information given on this forum.
 
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dylangemelli said:
My only issue with the op is the statement he made about not feeling anything in just a few days... Theres legitamacy to everything else that was said and i tried to instruct him how to handle it the best i could


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This falls under exactly what am saying!!!

Call Nate. Not that big of a deal he'll fix it. Instead of crying over it guess what ppl aren't perfect.

You gotta bring all this attention to this board not knowing whats go n on! Anther problem I have with this. Now if you called and found out 100% it was under dosed then started this thread Id understand but you know nothing. Is it a missprint? Under dosed?
 
themanc84, I apologize for the delayed response - I just saw this. Next time, please use the help link at the top of the page and I can get a response to you sooner. I appreciate your bringing this to our attention. And I made you a complimentary Platinum Member for 6 months to thank you for bringing this to our attention. Here's a response in this new thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...serms-potency-labeling-situation-1002833.html
 
If at any time anyone can not reach me right away on the forums and it is a huge deal( need me right away). I have no problem at all with anyone sending me a text msg to my personal cell phone number 978 378 4266. Weekends I may be slightly slower to reply because I am with my 3 loving kids but I will still get back even on the weekends. During the week you should get a reply from me right away
 
needtogetaas said:
If at any time anyone can not reach me right away on the forums and it is a huge deal( need me right away). I have no problem at all with anyone sending me a text msg to my personal cell phone number 978 378 4266. Weekends I may be slightly slower to reply because I am with my 3 loving kids but I will still get back even on the weekends. During the week you should get a reply from me right away
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cant get better customer service then that! that might be going alittle overboard but as a customer, you gonna love it .
 
The problem came about because we changed the formula and added even more to the formula from its original. My site Needtobuildmuscle.com still has the old original formula listed. My mistake on my site and I am sorry for that. I will get it fixed if it is not fixed right now. The second mistake was the listing of 2 caps per serving when it really should say 1 cap per serving. The best dosing for the product is 2 caps per day though.

The last mistake came again by me. I should have informed both my rep team and my mod team that when anyone ever makes a thread with this level of a complaint I am to be notified on the spot. Call my cell and or text me..Some times pm's slip through the cracks. Some times i can not be on the forums all the time and even when I am I can not be in every thread all over the net ether. So if a customer or forum meber has a major complaint to the point of making a thread like this feel free to contact me by phone. I have no problem dropping everything to help some one who is in dire need like this. Thanks guys
 
I commented on the other thread but this is why I love this place! We're all human and mistakes happen but the honoring that y'all have done to correct it is what makes your labels, company and forum so wonderful! Good stuff guys!! Thank you!
 
Hey guys, Just bought a bottle of Phytoserms for my first PCT.
The dosage and the serving size has changed.
The bottle indicates 3 pills per serving size at a proprietary blend of 2455mg.
Im 6'2", 200 lbs. Im guessing I should be taking the full daily dose of 3 pills?
Hoping im not overdoing it and ripping through the bottle faster than I need to!
any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Trainermaverick said:
Hey guys, Just bought a bottle of Phytoserms for my first PCT.
The dosage and the serving size has changed.
The bottle indicates 3 pills per serving size at a proprietary blend of 2455mg.
Im 6'2", 200 lbs. Im guessing I should be taking the full daily dose of 3 pills?
Hoping im not overdoing it and ripping through the bottle faster than I need to!
any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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buddy I would start off with 1-2 caps and work your way up to 3 if you choose.

its powerful stuff and pricey so start off low.. a co-worker of mine is like 200 pounds or so and he takes 1 cap a day and he says he is climbing the walls on just that dose per day.. but everyone is going to be different. Ruthless Supplements << here is the link to order and get more info in case anyone else wants to check the stuff out
 
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