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OMG you gotta be kidding
This is hilarious! Wilson I take it you were there? Do you really think you can tell anything by a few pictures, especially enough to be so judgemental? I didnt recall seeing any "Dorian Yate" female physiques there either.
Thanks for the insight..pro.
This is hilarious! Wilson I take it you were there? Do you really think you can tell anything by a few pictures, especially enough to be so judgemental? I didnt recall seeing any "Dorian Yate" female physiques there either.
Thanks for the insight..pro.
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"A chick with a slightly smaller verison of a Dorian Yates physique trying to look cute dancing around on stage."
No I wasn't there, and yes I can tell alot from pictures. I've shot thousands of publication quality photos at National and Pro events over the years so putting what I see in a photo into perspective to what was really on stage is not too difficult for me. If it is in the photo, it was on stage. Besides, there was nothing in that thread with ref to Dorian Yates that also referenced the USAs.
My only judgement here was the open handed pose on muscular women bodybuilders. Nothing more. The ref to the Dorian Yates physique was meant as a humorous metaphor.
I can tell you from attending a number of shows and working with a few of these women, that if some of them spent more time analyzing various basic poses, they'd realize how much more impressive they could be on stage.
W6
No I wasn't there, and yes I can tell alot from pictures. I've shot thousands of publication quality photos at National and Pro events over the years so putting what I see in a photo into perspective to what was really on stage is not too difficult for me. If it is in the photo, it was on stage. Besides, there was nothing in that thread with ref to Dorian Yates that also referenced the USAs.
My only judgement here was the open handed pose on muscular women bodybuilders. Nothing more. The ref to the Dorian Yates physique was meant as a humorous metaphor.
I can tell you from attending a number of shows and working with a few of these women, that if some of them spent more time analyzing various basic poses, they'd realize how much more impressive they could be on stage.
W6
All I can say is Amen W6! PREACH IT!!!
The sooner one gets comfortable with what they are physically, the faster they can pose to maximise the good points and not try to be someone or something they are not.
IMO, it is always best to be yourself and say or do what you can in a positive manner. The best of what you have is always better than a weak compensation, concealment, or negative apologetic explaination of why you can't, or are not something different.
The sooner one gets comfortable with what they are physically, the faster they can pose to maximise the good points and not try to be someone or something they are not.
IMO, it is always best to be yourself and say or do what you can in a positive manner. The best of what you have is always better than a weak compensation, concealment, or negative apologetic explaination of why you can't, or are not something different.
Wilson I was on that stage that night and the two woman you brought up are pretty awesome. Polickys upper body if lacking at all it is slight. She was one of the few with symmetry! No one is use to actually seeing legs on a fbb. I dont hear complaints about how top heavy 90% of them are. Thats ok. She did not pose with open hands all night, mainly in just her routine. Can you tell that from a picture? Bill Dobbins, one of the biggest critics of us loved Polickys posing and routine. Said shes an excellent poser and the only one on that stage with real pro potential.
Solomon was incredible and got screwed. 14th was it? If it wouldve been a bb competition she wouldve been in the top 5. I was in awe of her. Her down fall wasnt so much her posing as it was her suit. The cut and color can make a world of difference. You want to talk about some screwed up posing look at a few of the other girls. Most of them pose like men and that is the problem. So what if they are trying to be feminine, after all they are woman! Hell the NPC wants us all to have more of the "fitness girl" look anyways. These woman are more in touch and comfortable with their bodies more then 99% of the population.
I agree that with more posing prep and analysis some of them could be more impressive but I think you picked the wrong ones to pick on.
I have a tendency to get defensive over my peers. We dont get the credit we deserve and a lot of criticism we dont.
Solomon was incredible and got screwed. 14th was it? If it wouldve been a bb competition she wouldve been in the top 5. I was in awe of her. Her down fall wasnt so much her posing as it was her suit. The cut and color can make a world of difference. You want to talk about some screwed up posing look at a few of the other girls. Most of them pose like men and that is the problem. So what if they are trying to be feminine, after all they are woman! Hell the NPC wants us all to have more of the "fitness girl" look anyways. These woman are more in touch and comfortable with their bodies more then 99% of the population.
I agree that with more posing prep and analysis some of them could be more impressive but I think you picked the wrong ones to pick on.
I have a tendency to get defensive over my peers. We dont get the credit we deserve and a lot of criticism we dont.
"I have a tendency to get defensive over my peers."
Yup.
"We don't get the credit we deserve and a lot of criticism we don't."
Goes with the territory.
Listen Bod,
Your defensive posturing has blinded you to what this whole thread was about. The only reason I picked on those two competitors was because the photos told the story of what I was trying to describe. As I said in another thread, if it happened in the photo, it happened on stage. Now, if that shot only represented a small fraction of the routine, then that's great. For some, if not many women BBs, those issues represent most of their routine. In fact, some of it is down right shitty posing and a waste of a hard earned physique.
I have nothing against either girl and I think they are both solid heavyweights. In fact, I had one of the WPW pics of Solomon as a screen saver on my computer for a while because I liked her physique. So it is certainly nothing personal nor am I suggesting that their posing overall is poor based on a couple of photos. However, I still think Policky needs more upper body mass to balance her legs. She is certainly far more balanced now than even a year ago, but still needs a little more.
"So what if they are trying to be feminine, after all they are woman!"
This one confuses me. What exactly is "trying to be feminine"? Most of the women heavyweights have physiques that rival most men's bantams and lightweights, so does that mean if the men come out with bows in their hair, act goofy and dance around stage that they can compete in the women's heavys?
If they all posed as bodybuilders should pose (forget the goofy fitness cheerleader shit and dance routines that show little of their physique) then there'd be less confusion for the judges. Take the decision out of whether a posing routine is feminine or not, and that forces the judges to focus on the physique. What are the judges going to do if all the girls posed like bodybuilders, cancel the event? I don't think posing in bodybuilding should be gender specific. It should be based on presentation of the physique from a bodybuilding perspective, not fitness or figure.
Sometimes I think the women create more controversy by giving the judges too much to think about (i.e., what is feminine and what is not) and the physique becomes secondary.
When's the last time you heard the judges say they were looking for someone with a pretty face in a men's BB event?
and.....if you knew me Bod, you'd realize that I don't let personal feelings or friendships get in the way of my criticisms of physiques. There have been a few times I've been backstage at a women's pro event and made a couple of suggestions to some of the veterans while they are practicing in the mirror, and while their assholes tightened a bit when I first offered the suggestion, after they made the simple modification to the pose, their response was, "wow, I see what you mean, thanks". Simple stuff too. No one is perfect, although many in BB think they are.
Anyone else, am I making sense here?
W6
Yup.
"We don't get the credit we deserve and a lot of criticism we don't."
Goes with the territory.
Listen Bod,
Your defensive posturing has blinded you to what this whole thread was about. The only reason I picked on those two competitors was because the photos told the story of what I was trying to describe. As I said in another thread, if it happened in the photo, it happened on stage. Now, if that shot only represented a small fraction of the routine, then that's great. For some, if not many women BBs, those issues represent most of their routine. In fact, some of it is down right shitty posing and a waste of a hard earned physique.
I have nothing against either girl and I think they are both solid heavyweights. In fact, I had one of the WPW pics of Solomon as a screen saver on my computer for a while because I liked her physique. So it is certainly nothing personal nor am I suggesting that their posing overall is poor based on a couple of photos. However, I still think Policky needs more upper body mass to balance her legs. She is certainly far more balanced now than even a year ago, but still needs a little more.
"So what if they are trying to be feminine, after all they are woman!"
This one confuses me. What exactly is "trying to be feminine"? Most of the women heavyweights have physiques that rival most men's bantams and lightweights, so does that mean if the men come out with bows in their hair, act goofy and dance around stage that they can compete in the women's heavys?
If they all posed as bodybuilders should pose (forget the goofy fitness cheerleader shit and dance routines that show little of their physique) then there'd be less confusion for the judges. Take the decision out of whether a posing routine is feminine or not, and that forces the judges to focus on the physique. What are the judges going to do if all the girls posed like bodybuilders, cancel the event? I don't think posing in bodybuilding should be gender specific. It should be based on presentation of the physique from a bodybuilding perspective, not fitness or figure.
Sometimes I think the women create more controversy by giving the judges too much to think about (i.e., what is feminine and what is not) and the physique becomes secondary.
When's the last time you heard the judges say they were looking for someone with a pretty face in a men's BB event?
and.....if you knew me Bod, you'd realize that I don't let personal feelings or friendships get in the way of my criticisms of physiques. There have been a few times I've been backstage at a women's pro event and made a couple of suggestions to some of the veterans while they are practicing in the mirror, and while their assholes tightened a bit when I first offered the suggestion, after they made the simple modification to the pose, their response was, "wow, I see what you mean, thanks". Simple stuff too. No one is perfect, although many in BB think they are.
Anyone else, am I making sense here?
W6
