Pain where clavical and lat delt meet...plz HELP

[2juicey]

Hey fellas i searched but couldnt find anything specific in medical forum or in a general search. For the past 2-3 months i have been dealing with this pain right where my traps meet the lateral delts. Almost feels like the pain is right on the bone surface (an area the size of a quarter) and hurts when i put pressure on it. Absolutely no joint pain or muscle pain, just in this little area on both sides. It really hurts when i do a "most muscular" pose and generally hurts the most after doing pressing movements. Doing dips is pretty much impossible that exercise seems to hurt the area the most. Im thinking a tendon/ligament type of thing but im not sure and it really sux. My workouts are tough as hell to get through, even after taking a week off and doing less weight. Takes about 3-4 days to really subside and by that time its Chest/shoulder day again.

I am a former gear user (used on and off for about 5-6 yrs) but have been off for a little over a year now.

Any help on what it may be or any other info/tips appreciated. Thanks!

 

[zedhed]

Hey bro hate to tell you but sounds like a tator cuff issue.
Work around it and stay off the dips.
If it hurts you to do bench try this.
1. Google Dave Tate bench press and do your bench press the way he says. This will def be an improvement for you and may actually even add a little bit to your bench.
2. If that does not work for you then try dbl bench press with your palms facing your bod, neutral grip and do not fully extend.
3. Limit your range of motion on bench and over head press. On bench do not go lower then where your elbows would be even with your shoulder blades and do not fully extend or lock out at the top.
4. Oh OHP go to dbls with a nuetral grip. Limit ROM. Do not go loewr then your ears and do not lock out at the top.
5. After a long time, up to a year of doing this you may find that you can go back to normal benching Dave Tate style and OHP but if your not a competitive lifter then why change back to what injured you in the first place...
Good luck man.

 

[musclemom]

Rotator cuff, probably a mild tear (the location, point sensitivity, waxing/waning nature of the pain and the fact you can't do dips are dead give aways). Not to disagree with Zed but IMO find a good sports medicine doctor and get yourself a proper diagnosis with MRI. If it's a very mild tear PRP or prolotherapy could fix it in a couple of sessions (finding a doctor that can do it is another ball of wax).

Trust me on this, I have multiple RC tears in both shoulders. I ignored them, I worked around them, when they felt better I went back to what I was doing, maybe revising my workout, removing certain exercises. Twenty years later everything started spontaneously blowing out badly and at this point in time I'll be happy if I can just live reasonably pain free, doubt if weights are in my future anymore.

 

[2juicey]

Thanks for the replies guys. I was under the impression that RC type injuries are felt "within" the shoulder joint from the rear. Like if u were to reach over with ur other hand across ur body and pull on ur shoulder, u would get the discomfort a bad RC gives. My soreness is coming from directly on top of my shoulder, almost to a single point on my bone. When i said it hurt when pressure i meant by actually pressing on the location with my fingers or thumb, it is tender tot he touch. When im actually pressing weight i can feel the tension on them but they arent actually hurting during the exercise, just afterwards it gets sore as hell. IDK, i better go get ti checked out nonetheless. IM 34 yrs old and feel like i have been falling apart these past 2 yrs LOL. Thanks again fells

 

[musclemom]

Thanks for the replies guys. I was under the impression that RC type injuries are felt "within" the shoulder joint from the rear. Like if u were to reach over with ur other hand across ur body and pull on ur shoulder, u would get the discomfort a bad RC gives. My soreness is coming from directly on top of my shoulder, almost to a single point on my bone. When i said it hurt when pressure i meant by actually pressing on the location with my fingers or thumb, it is tender tot he touch. When im actually pressing weight i can feel the tension on them but they arent actually hurting during the exercise, just afterwards it gets sore as hell. IDK, i better go get ti checked out nonetheless. IM 34 yrs old and feel like i have been falling apart these past 2 yrs LOL. Thanks again fells

No, RC tear covers a range of ligament tears. Basically, anything that attaches the muscles that hold your upper arm into the shoulder socket. On of my tears is manifesting as pain in the center of my biceps. Most commonly you feel it in the front of the shoulder with arm elevation, but it really can be any problem around the shoulder joint itself depending on

I'm not big on suggesting doctors for stuff but I will never stop regretting the fact I didn't see someone when I first started getting problems (I was in my early 30s, I'm 47 now). PRP and/or prolotherapy are fantastic for early treatment of minor tearing (it's sort of an alternative therapy so you will have to do some research to find a doctor who does it, if you need it). It's a treatment not well respected in this country but I can testify to the fact it works, and works fabulously on minor tears especially.

Put it this way, if you see a doctor and he says "you have a minor tear, nothing to worry about, it'll heal with PT" to hell with his ass, start Googling prolotherapy and get the darned thing fixed, even if you have to pay out of pocket.

 

[more steel]

Could possibly be irritation of the AC joint as well. Have you had any impact on the point of your shoulder? Is the point on the top of your shoulder enlarged at all? (Compare your hurt side to your healthy side.)

This joint is where the acromion from your scapula meets your clavicle. It's a fibrous joint and not meant to be disrupted. If it is an AC joint sprain/strain all you can do is rest it and give it time to heal.

 

[more steel]

No, RC tear covers a range of ligament tears. Basically, anything that attaches the muscles that hold your upper arm into the shoulder socket.

Keep in mind as well that rotator cuff is not comprised of ligaments but muscles and their tendons. A significant decrease is strength would indicate damage to muscles/tendons. If strength is still maintain but pain is present its probably a ligament which isn't a rotator cuff issue.

 

[musclemom]

Keep in mind as well that rotator cuff is not comprised of ligaments but muscles and their tendons. A significant decrease is strength would indicate damage to muscles/tendons. If strength is still maintain but pain is present its probably a ligament which isn't a rotator cuff issue.

I suck at remembering the difference between ligaments and tendons. And as my doctor explained it to me, anything that is involved in motion of the shoulder joint itself is pretty much RC. Apples and oranges, really.

Honestly, if I can save one person going through what I am, I'll do it. I (unknowingly) worked out with minor tears in my shoulders for years with very little loss of strength *shrug* (ouch). My left arm is in the worst shape and it's always been a pinch weaker than my right -- but I chalked that up to the fact I'm right hand dominant.

 

[2juicey]

musclemom, im def taking some time off. It has been 5 days since i have stepped in a gym and the tenderness on top of the bone on my shoulders has subsided a good bit. Though i can still press on them and feel it, its not nearly as bad. What u said about continuing to lift without much loss in strength...i think that is where i have been the past few months. I mean, i could feel something just wasnt right, or "normal", but my strength really didnt fall off enough to make me believe it was something major...but my stamina and endurance sure did. Now, i think i prob do have some damage in there that needs to heal up. Probably didnt help that up to a lil over a year ago i juiced for better part of a decade Its funny because 2 yrs ago i wouldnt even had been able to feel the bone on my shoulder as it was covered in Fina fed muscle! lol Goin natural sucks.

 

[musclemom]

musclemom, im def taking some time off. It has been 5 days since i have stepped in a gym and the tenderness on top of the bone on my shoulders has subsided a good bit. Though i can still press on them and feel it, its not nearly as bad. What u said about continuing to lift without much loss in strength...i think that is where i have been the past few months. I mean, i could feel something just wasnt right, or "normal", but my strength really didnt fall off enough to make me believe it was something major...but my stamina and endurance sure did. Now, i think i prob do have some damage in there that needs to heal up. Probably didnt help that up to a lil over a year ago i juiced for better part of a decade Its funny because 2 yrs ago i wouldnt even had been able to feel the bone on my shoulder as it was covered in Fina fed muscle! lol Goin natural sucks.

Well definitely see a sports medicine doc anyway. Comes a point in time you just have to suck it up.

That's the exact pattern I'd follow workout/pain/rest/no pain/return to workout, etc., etc., etc. If I'd had this shit in my shoulders fixed when it was just minor crap I'd still be able to lift ... as it is, I just managed holding a full coffee cup with my left hand this week (I'm a month out from major PRP). If I'd had these treated when they were minor it would be cake (and cheap) to fix.

Oh, and BTW, juice makes muscles stronger at a faster rate than tendons. It can be a bad scene. I've heard a few stories of tendons just snapping on a guy in mid workout and the muscle totally retracting *shudder* Talk about horror show.