Oxandrolone just knocked on my door

[Idobehigh]

I don't know if I should even both trying to help you.. Hcgen is for on cycle even if u run 20mg Ed it will still shut u down, ok don't run clomid there is other serms someone that is as naive as you will have a bad experience and give steroids a bad rap. Do yourself a favor and get pre cycle bloods s when you are messed up and dick won't work we can once again try and help you and maybe you will loose your attitude and stop acting like you know everything

 

[Idobehigh]

any pct for the ox only? was it needed or just wise as precautionary?

Lol

 

[noodles1010]

i had a pretty sarcastic, snide reply typed up and just deleted it... im tending to agree with jerome above...

this is what it is and it doesnt matter what u think. facts are facts and u cant argue chemistry esp in proven doses..
your doses are too low at least run 50mg if ur testing waters 25mg am/ 25mg 1 hour before gym, you should stack this with test to see optimal results or at least a kick ass test booster, should have added in proviron @ 75mg day (nice add to anavar only cycle), add in creating nitrate, your "pct" is non existent (if u have one post it, i dont see it), based on your size and weight ect you dont sound like u have much of a base at all (im 6'0 @ 190 14%bf and i lift a lot more weight than you natty, so u have more work to do diet wise and gym wise),
so what are you doing? Your pussy footing with the idea of doing aas. justifying its not aas by taking var only and not test. claiming a mild suppression vs shut down blah blah blah... bro, its fucking aas no matter which way you flip it. shut down is inevitable, sides exist, and the tooth fairy is not real. those are more facts for u.
now you already sound like one of those guys who cant stand corrected or pointed in the right direction once they have their mind made up, so i say this... good luck and keep us updated, and i suggest you come up with a better plan than what you got. its still early enough.

 

[wootoom]

ill tell you exactly why.

its part of the story. and arnt you jazzed that you can get packages from china in under a week. thats a good thing to know so you get all your pct and isht together and not get caught offguard.

I really don't care of its part of your story, it's not allowed

 

[stevesmi]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

 

[kkklick]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

^^^This. I never understood why guys say var is waste, I have used legit var and had insane pumps and vascularity muscle hardness at 70mg. Gained 5 pounds of muscle and lost 8-10 pounds of fat in 8 weeks. As steve said I think the people who say it sucks got underdosed or faked var. Because legitimate var is so expensive to produce UGL can easily fake it and make huge profits. Even when people say "I trust my source" in my opinion unless you see the chemical being put into the capsule you never really know.

My buddies used var from the same lab and had the same effects as myself, so the idea that var may work on some but not others I think is bull as well.

60mg is the sweet spot, I could tolerate up to 70 but when I went to 80 I started getting sides that i didn't really want (severe pumps, slight constant headache etc).

 

[meatsauce]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

pretty much everybody agrees on higher doses. and i cant know if my shit is good yet. i have some good feedback from other posters that my ugl is g2g, and thats all i have to go with, thats why im hesitant to take everyone's recommended dosage right away. if i knew 100% that this was chemically correct oxandrolone, id be on the dosage most of you suggest, 50-60mg ed. getting more is easy now, so ill ease into it and up it till i feel confident its not something else.

----i know i came off rude in a couple replies. the source of that whole argument is PCT. im going to post a pic in a few minutes of my PCT. not just pct, but on cycle therapy. its frustrating seeing people post "no pct? good luck" . that guy didnt read anything is just posting to post. another guy offered info that hcgenerate is on cycle therapy. if he read my post and read my on cycle therapy plan, he would see it has almost every ingredient of hcGen. i also stated the doses id do on cycle, and off cycle regarding therapy items. ------

I know you from way before i joined this forum. from google searches. i respect everything you say, but even more, how you say it. your avatar is fukin hard to forget. so i appreciate all your feedback. and im really eager to take upwards of 50-60mg now. like you and many others say.

I really wanted to hear peoples experiences with natural pct and on-cycle support. I really wanted people to make big comparisons between shut down and suppression in relation to anavar. if anyone has experience, good bad or whatever, tell me what naturals did for you. check out my list. i have each one of those in my cabinet. ill post the pic soon because its fukin funny and over the top.

yoyo, i posted in the pics forum. the ugl the pill. i followed the rules from the sticky. maybe you know about it and if its g2g and if underdosed bigtime. shit, if its confirmed to be the clean business, ill go 40mg today forward. the only downside to higher n higher doses is further strains on liver n Gnads.

 

[Idobehigh]

Why not pick up a transderm test up to help especially if you feel you will loose libido and feel lethargic a legal one is rs transderm...

 

[meatsauce]

so thats my fridge on top of which are my pct items. you cant say no pct. but please say what you feel about the items, either individually or as a stack. ive seen hogan swallo a mug full of pills, so i do it like that. i toss em into a mug one bye one and gulp with fluid.

these are ONLY the testosterone boosting things. i have other workout supps like creatine, beta alanine, nitric O (stim free), whey, . this stack is made up of all things reported to effect testosterone production. ive been using them in big stacks for 6 months. it made me testicularly 18. so im at least recommending it, if done seriously, to people disgusted by clomid and her friends. but ill be the test rat for now and induce suppression and test my herbs and roots and spices against AAS. we will see.

yoyoyoyoy, check out the bottles that fit into one frame lol

 

[joeblow12345]

so thats my fridge on top of which are my pct items. you cant say no pct. but please say what you feel about the items, either individually or as a stack. ive seen hogan swallo a mug full of pills, so i do it like that. i toss em into a mug one bye one and gulp with fluid.

these are ONLY the testosterone boosting things. i have other workout supps like creatine, beta alanine, nitric O (stim free), whey, . this stack is made up of all things reported to effect testosterone production. ive been using them in big stacks for 6 months. it made me testicularly 18. so im at least recommending it, if done seriously, to people disgusted by clomid and her friends. but ill be the test rat for now and induce suppression and test my herbs and roots and spices against AAS. we will see.

yoyoyoyoy, check out the bottles that fit into one frame lol

Where's your n2guard?