Ostarine log – first time user

[OstaRat]

Hi guys,

So, I’m new to sarms (and steroids, which I still don't want to use), and after some reading I decided to give a try to ostarine. Shipment is on its way and I should get it on Monday.

Trial.
I ordered 2 bottles of 90 caps at 10mg per dose. I intend to use 20mg a day, so I would have enough for 12 weeks… but planning to run only for 8 weeks. One bottle was not enough (45 days – 6.5 weeks). Also, even though I could have bought 90 caps at 25mg per dose, I wanted to have a lower dose as I’m quite light weight and wanted the ability to lower the dose during the trial if needed.

Stats.
I’m 5’8, 165lbs (+/- 2lbs), pretty stable in the last couple of weeks if not months. Last bf test was at 4.7%, 4 weeks ago and I’m probably around 5% by now (estimate). I’m 40yo and I’m weight lifting consistently for about 6 years now, even though I’m lifting in and out since I was 18yo. Only 6 years ago did I decided to commit. I’m natural (still… until Monday) and have used many supplements in the past years.

Goal(s).
My goal is to recomp. I’d like to go down to 3%bf (which I did naturally 3 years ago), while still gaining lean body mass in the process. Ostarine seems to be good for that, and being the safest of the sarms (to my short knowledge), so this is why I decided to do this trial.

Training.
My weight training style is usually high volume, with some intensity techniques. If anyone is on Bodybuilding.com, you might know about the Project Mass program : 6 days a week, day 1-3 are strength days, day 4-6 are hypertrophy days, and day 7 is active rest day (HIIT). However, I do abuse and extend my training sessions quite a bit. When it’s says to do 3 sets of an exercise, I’ll do 5, if it’s says to do 5 I’ll do 7… In the end, my training usually last 2-2.5 hours…

Since beginning of July, I’m also doing HIIT on a stationnary bike at home almost every day! It consist of 12 short but hard intervals of 20 seconds followed by slower pace for 40 seconds for a total of 60 seconds per interval cycle (approximate, as it is also based on the power output : the more power I give, the shorter it will last. The setting is that a full cycle is completed when 18 calories has been burnt). Also, after the 6 intervals, there is an extra period of 40 seconds of slower pace. So the full HIIT training last about 12min and 40 seconds, which I was usually doing consistently since January, on days I was doing HIIT. However, since July, despite doing it everyday for one month (even on legs days), last night (Saturday) I completed it in 12min and 6 seconds, bettering my time by 5-10 seconds almost every day in the last week. Adaptation ? Or is it some special supp I had recently? (see below)

Before calling for « overtraining », please consider Schwarzy and Lou Ferigno where doing 5-6 hours long workouts every day (maybe splitting it in two in order to eat in between), and they didn’t had access to all the supplements we have today. I fear going to do my HIIT every time, because I know the pain, yet recovery must be not too bad if I can better my time by about 35 seconds in the last week.

Supplements.
- HMB-FA pre-workout and pre-HIIT
- Pre-workout formula ("home made", trying to mimic Pre-Jym) before weight training AND before HIIT (minus caffein, except on Sunday)
- Post-workout formula ("home made", trying to mimic Post-Jym) after weight training AND post HIIT
- Omega 3 (3g morning and 3gr pre-bed)
- CLA (2g morning and 2g pre-bed
- Test booster in the morning (TestoFX from Allmax Nutrition)
- ZMA pre-bed
- 100mg DIM, post WO
- Gaba pre-bed
- Whey Isolate pre and post WO
- BCAA almost with every meals and snacks…

- Aaaaandd, new since beginning of July : peppermint extract... 4 drops in the morning, 4 drops pre-HIIT and 4 drops pre-bed. Using it specifically for HIIT, and I tend to believe my performance on HIIT could be due to this little boy starting to have some effect. But I could be wrong and it could be simply normal adaptation to the effort.
https://www.t-nation.com/supplements/tip-get-killer-workouts-with-this-plant-oil
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-10-15
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4103722/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607906/


For the ostarine trial, I’m thinking about droping the test booster for the first 2 to 4 weeks. As per the recommendation of the manufacturer, I need to cycle TestoFX 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off anyway… So maybe by cycling it off starting on Monday for 2 to 4 weeks, I’ll do myself a favor by reintroducing it by week 3 or 5 until 2 to 4 weeks after the completion of the ostarine trial. And by the way, yes, I do feel a difference when I use TestoFX!

What do you guys think ? Should I cycle off ZMA and DIM the same way ? Or should I keep them?

Nutrition.
My BMR is 1910 calories per day. I work in the IT (desk job)
On upper body days and rest day, I’m having about 2200 calories (~275g protein).
On legs days, Im having about 2500 calories (~265g protein).


Well, I guess this is it…
Now can’t wait to get my shipment.


Note :
Not disclosing the ostarine manufacturer, sorry. So don’t ask, I will not answer that question.

Regards,

 

[stevesmi]

my first concern is wanting to get down to 3% body fat

you realize that is dangerous right? also i am skeptical you are actually 5% body fat with those stats.. if so you would be winning every local contest

 

[OstaRat]

Thanks for your concern, even though BF % assessment is not the core subject. Another "tool/methodology" put me at 9.3%, and another one put me at 11%. As you know, it varies a lot. I was just using the one that is most flattering and that as been the most consistent over the years. But don't fear, I'm far from looking like Helmut Strebl

Let's go back to the goal : I want to get leaner and gain some lean muscle mass in the process. I know my legs and belly could be leaner, even though I like the way it is going in the past few weeks with using the HIIT protocol mentionned in the first post.

I do have concern about suppression, even though I read somewhere on this forum that ostarine would only suppress about 5%. However, that statement does not indicate at what dosage and for what duration. As I mention, because of the dosage of my capsules (10mg each), I intend to use 20mg per day, for 8 weeks. What would be the suppression for 8 weeks... and what would it be for 12 weeks?

Also, all the training, nutrition and supplements I mention above are what I do already. The only thing that would change for the duration of this research study is the addition of ostarine. I need to cycle my test booster (I'm 40yo, and it helps), So I'm planning on cycling it off on day one (tomorrow) for 2 to 4 weeks.

Should I cycle off DIM and ZMA as well ?

I would certainly appreciate any advice on duration and posology.

Also, am I too aggressive with the nutrition (calories) and cardio (HIIT) for a recomp ?

Thanks!

 

[Lev Butlerov]

Unfortunately, there is a 99.9% chance of your SARMS being fake, since they can be sold legally only as reseach chemicals, and no reputable source will sell capsulated forms of SARMS. Usually, they will lace them with prohormones in order to lead the user to a deception, because they will get performance enhancement. However, this is a dangerous situation, as prohormones have side effects that do not take place with SARMS, and consequently one does not have the chance of preventing those by using the proper ancillaries. Therefore, in the best of the cases, you would be getting bunk SARMS.


If you want to get real SARMS, make sure that you have a reliable source. Personally, over the years I have used the SARMS of many brands, and so far only sarms1 were able to always deliver real and high quality SARMS for me. Therefore, I can personally vouch for them. Besides, their customer service is really good, and they will always go an extra mile for their customers.

 

[OstaRat]

This was Friday, post chest, shoulders and arms. My starting point.

 

[OstaRat]

Bleh... we should be able to edit/delete our post, and preview before posting even on the quick reply... Ah... I see we can preview when we click on Advanced.
Good thing I scratch my head on the pic, but I tought I had removed it before uploading without the head. So why is it still there in the post???

 

[stevesmi]

brother your body fat is extremely low.. probably 7-9%. you look ripped as hell.
i do agree with lev.. remember sarm's can only be legally sold as research chemicals in liquid form. you should go to sarm1 and buy legit ostarine

use the ostarine 25-50mg a day for 8-12 weeks. and you can add in hcgenerate when you feel necessary.. when you come off run a mini-pct with the hcgenerate for 4-6 weeks.

 

[OstaRat]

Thanks for your imput Steve!
I'll consider sarms1. Do they ship to Canada? Any experienced researchers in Canada having difficulty with customs?
When in liquid form, do we need extra apparatus, or all that is required (for proper dosage/measurement) is always included with the product ?


Anyway, I Just received my shipping and started the experiment with 40mg around 2:40PM.
I usually train at 7:30PM on week days.
Of course, I don't expect much before 2-2.5 weeks.

Next dosages should be 20mg upon waking up, around 8:30-9:00AM

Should I be very very strict on timing? Sometimes on the weekend I get lazy and wake up around 11:00-11:30AM... Should I set up my alarm at 8:30 anyway then whatever if I want to go back to "nap" until 11:00?

Thanks,

 

[muskate]

I am located in Canada as well. Winnipeg, Manitoba.

SARMS1.com ships to Canada. I have ordered from them countless times and have never had an issue wit customs.

There is a dropper in the vial that has measurements on it. Measure out your dosage with the dropper, squirt it into your mouth, swallow, and then chase with coffee/juice/water

 

[OstaRat]

Thanks Trevor! Appreciated

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I am in Canada as well and have been using sarms1 products for years. I have never had an issue with customs. Not even once. They remove the label on the product and put a sticker on the bottom so you know what it is. Next time you order hit me up. I can probably get you a discount.

 

[OstaRat]

Awesome, thanks Masonic!

 

[OstaRat]

Started Monday Aug. 7 @166.3lbs

Today is Day 12
Saturday is usually the day I weight in. This morning I was at 170.8lbs
I got measured at 6.4%bf at the gym. Next check at the gym will be in 6 weeks. (At home, my Omron gave me 10.8%bf, up 1.5% since 2 weeks ago)

Last saturday, I was up 2.2lbs, and today up another 2.3lbs.
However, my meals have definitely not been perfect on Thursday and Friday prior to these 2 weight ins.
After a few days of clean eating on Wednesday (Aug. 16) I was 165lb. So I'm most definitely holding some water and glycogen. I'll try to do better next week with the meals.

Have a great day all!

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Monday Aug. 28, day 22

Last Monday (21st), I also added Cardarine to the mix... 20mg 30 minutes pre-workout. I wasn't sure if I was going to wait to complete at least 6 weeks of ostarine alone, but I was too excited not to start right away and get all the benefits of the stack.

So, this past Saturday I weight in at 168.7lbs, down 2.1lbs from previous week. My Omron at home measured 9.7%bf, down 1.1% from previous week.
So all the weight loss seems to come from fat (and maybe also some water and glycogen). Abs and legs striations are definitely poping out compared to previous week.

Nutrition was almost perfect all week (except for Friday, yet without spilling over)

Recovery seems to be great, I was quite strict with my sleep, getting an average of 7h per night, but I will try to get closer to 7.5h this week.

I think I'm getting a bit stronger and can lift with higher volume. Unfortunately, I'm not good at keeping track of my lifts... But today was legs and I was clearly able to lift more reps with the same weight as last week, keeping my rest around 2min instead of 3min on low rep sets (goal 4-8 reps per set depending of exercise).

Still doing my 12 minute HIIT every day.

Have a great week!

 

[OstaRat]

Update Monday Sept. 4, day 29

This Saturday I was 168.5lb, down only 0.2lbs over previous week, but visibly more thight at the abdomen area. I didn't do my HIIT sessions on Thursday and Friday night, which might have an impact on my weight on Saturday morning (thus less water and carb depletion).

Other than that, my sleep remained around 7h per night on week days, and Had around 9h each morning for this long weekend, yay! Less time awake, that is one meal less per day. No surprise I was 167.9 this morning. Anyway, day by day fluctuation is irelevant. I'll see next Saturday.

Again, had a cheat meal on Friday, as we went out after work to congratulate a colleague who was moving for some new opportunities. Other than that, meals were on target at 2300 calories, which is just about my metabolic rate if I was to be sedentary.

Strenght is still there and I can't wait to hit the gym in an hour for legs!.
Still planning to do my HIIT every day, and not get lazy on Friday night this week...

Have a great week!

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Great ostarine log!

 

[OstaRat]

Update Saturday Sept. 9, day 34

Week 5 coming to an end.
I'm up 2.4 lbs to 170.9lbs from last week, and up 4.6lbs from day 1. My Omron at home measured 10.1%bf, up 0.4% from 2 weeks ago and up 0.8%bf from day 1. Maths then says up 2.9lbs lean mass and up 1.7lbs fat from day 1. The Omron is not the most accurate tool however. I'll have a better idea in 3 weeks when I'll have my next bf check at the gym.

Still looking very lean in the mirror (I actually feel a bit leaner, but I should take new pictures for comparison) and the pump is great post workout.

This week, I went by feeling and only did cardio on Tuesday (HIIT), giving some rest to my quads, which got a beating almost every day (from 2 weight legs sessions per week and HIIT every day for the 4 previous weeks). So it was a kind of deload week regarding HIIT on the stationary bike, which certainly explains the weight gain, aka recovery process. I'll see next week if I go back into it.

Meals where on target at least 95% of the time, again only stepping out of plan yesterday (Friday).

Have a great weekend !

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Sunday Sept 17, day 42

Week 6 completed.
I’m down to 169.4lbs @9.8%bf, compared to 170.9lbs @10.1% last week (body fat assessed with my Omron at home). This would mean a loss of 0.9lb of muscle… Really not sure about this reading, but let see in 2 weeks when I get tested at the gym. This weight loss, despite the fact I ate a bit more throughout the week, and did zero cardio, except for last Sunday and today (did 25 minutes HIIT + 30 minutes steady state), my rest day from weight training. Maybe the weight fluctuation has something to do with that I didn’t had a cheat meal this week the day before the weight in.

Anyway, after completing 6 weeks, I’m now up 3.1lbs compared to Day 1, of which 2lbs are lean muscle and 1.1lb would be fat. This is nothing to brag about, I agree, but to me it is a big deal, as I gain an average of 4lbs of lean mass per year (I’m 40yo and don’t have great genetics). So, if all things go at the same pace for the next 6 weeks, I might very well accomplish my usual year gain in just 3 months. Speaking about the year to date, from January 7, I’m up 3.8lbs of lean body mass, and down 3.6lbs of fat (I try to stay relatively lean year-round now).

Also, I measured my waist circumference (at the belly) on Day 1 at 80cm (31.5in) and I’m still the same at 80.3cm today (31.6in). No flexing the abs, no vaccum. So body fat is in check I believe. I also took measurements for the other body parts on Day 1, but I didn’t check them since.

Change for the next 6 weeks. Frequency!
For the record, since the beginning of this log, I was “kinda” using the Project Mass trainer from Jacob Wilson on bodybuilding(.)com. I use the principles, but not necessarily the exact same exercise or rep/set, but the idea is there: 3 days of strength training, followed by 3 days of hypertrophy training, and periodized the reps/set every week. What I intend to do for the remaining of this osta cycle is tweak this training program to add frequency to the equation. Same volume, just distributed more evenly throughout the week. So instead of doing 2 days of legs (1 strength day and 1 hypertrophy day), I’ll have 5 days of legs (2 strength days and 3 hypertrophy days). Same with the other body part, I’ll simply redistribute them.

I’ll also re-introduce HIIT (shorter 12 minutes + 20 minutes steady state) on the stationary bike every day, at least for the next 4 weeks. Sundays I’ll keep it at 25 minutes HIIT + 30 minutes steady state.

As for meals, I plan on having 2200 calories per day consistently all week (50%P, 25%F, 25%C), and maybe have a refeed on Saturday.

Have a great week !

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Monday Sept. 25, day 50

Week 7 completed, day 1 of week 8 in the book.

Weight : Yesterday, Sunday, I was at 168.1lbs and the Omron read 9.0% body fat, compared to last Sunday (169.4lbs @9.8l% bf). The accuracy is not perfect, but that would be a lean gain of 0.15lb of muscle and a loss of 1.45lbs of fat. I'll take that.

Compared to day 1, I would be up 2.1lbs of lean mass, and down 0.3lb of fat...

Finally, I was only able to do HIIT on last Monday and yesterday for the past week. High frequency training, doing legs 5 days per week does not go well with HIIT (on the bike, that is)...

I'm still going for high frequency for at least the next 3 weeks, and will only have my HIIT on Sundays.

I'm getting a lot more comments at the gym about my size and leaness, so I guess their is some visible transformation going on. A new guy in the gym about my height and a bit chubby even asked me how much I weight, and when I said "about 170lbs" he said "No way! I thought about 200lbs" Seriously ?? Thanks to a good pump and vascularity I guess...

As for meals, I was spot on, except for Friday, where I probably had 600-800 calories over my goal for the day (hmmm... muffin and cookies...). But since things were looking good in the mirror, I had my refeed meal on Saturday night anyway.

Good night, and have a great week !

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Bleh... we should be able to edit/delete our post, and preview before posting even on the quick reply... Ah... I see we can preview when we click on Advanced.
Good thing I scratch my head on the pic, but I tought I had removed it before uploading without the head. So why is it still there in the post???

The Feds are coming!!

 

[coasta007]

Good log @OstaRat. Do you use a power trainer or do you so your HIIT by feel?

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[stevesmi]

9% body fat is nothing to sneeze at. that is actually a healthy %.

 

[muskate]

8-12% body fat is what is deemed at optimal body fat percentage for a man.

9% body fat is awesome. That's a perfect combination of looking lean and aesthetic but not being so lean that you develop health issues.

99% of people WISH they were 9% body fat. Most men in north america are like 20%

 

[OstaRat]

Good log @OstaRat. Do you use a power trainer or do you so your HIIT by feel?

By feel. Doing a quads and a hams exercice on 5 out of 6 training days (5 to 8 sets each, not counting warmups) my legs are too sore for a HIIT session on the stationnary bike after those days. Tomorrow I don't train legs (shoulders, arms and traps), so I'll see how I feel, but I didn't have it on my plan, so won't beat myself up if I don't do HIIT.

High frequency training is not to be done for too long a period, and I definitely need my 8 hours sleep and ample protein before bed to optimise recovery.

 

[Lev Butlerov]

That is definitely a good idea to have enough rest before doing HIIT, so make sure your legs are rested before you try that.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Wow, 9% is a great achievement.

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Sunday Oct. 8, day 63
Completed week 9.

Sorry I didn't log last week, I was a bit disappointed by the weight fluctuation and bodyfat test (at home with the Omron) that lead to think I lost muscle mass and gained fat. Meals were not always perfect, and not doing any cardio at all (first time I don’ do at least one cardio session in a week since probably last time I went on vacation in Europe 5 years ago…) may have had some impact on glycogen and water retention, who knows. I decided to give the program (high frequency) a chance on another week (last week), as I may simply need some time for adaptation. Again, last week I did eat a bit more than planned, and decided to do no cardio again. No surprise here: weight gain again.

This morning I weigh in at 172lbs @ 10% bodyfat, which is 3.9lbs over 2 weeks ago (last log), and probably half and half muscle and fat gain. I can still see my abs very clearly even when unflexed, and with some striations on the obliques when flexed. But the skin pinch at the abdomen is probably 1 mm thicker than it used to be during the whole summer.

Overall after 9 weeks, I’m up 5.7lbs, of which 4lbs would be muscle and 1.7 would be fat. Most of it being in the last 2 weeks.

3 more weeks to go. I’ll do my best to keep it tight with the meal plan, but I’ll skip the cardio again.

Cheers, and Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians!

 

[George Spellwin]

This is a great log!

 

[OstaRat]

This is a great log!

Thanks George!

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Sunday Oct. 15, day 70
Completed week 10.

Again last week, I used high frequency training, no cardio, ate around 600-700 calories over maintenance (appetite and cravings were strong), and sleep was good at about 7h per day on week days, except for last Sunday night (oct. 8) where I couldn’t sleep at all until Monday night… I won’t go into details, but it happens once in a while. Stress stuff, not related to the research.

About the appetite and cravings increase, maybe this is related to the fact I was falling for some cookies and muffin in the past few weeks, and I crave it more now (sugar addiction??), or could it be cardarine ? (I started cardarine on day 9 though, so if that was a side effect it should have kicked in sooner I guess)

This morning I weigh in at 171.2 lbs @10% body fat, according to the Omron at home. Saturday morning that machine was a bit easier on me, with 9.3% bf while I was 172.7lbs. Saturday is my biggest workout of the week, lasting about 3 hours, and I probably this time I didn’t eat as much as usual on my post workout meal (my usual refeed). Anyway, as it is this morning, it would be a 0.8lb loss over last week, and it would be all muscle… If I go with Saturday’s number, to cheer my ego up, then compared to previous Saturday it would be an increase of 1.6lb of muscle and a drop of 2lb of fat.

Sticking with Sunday’s numbers, overall after 10 weeks, I’m up 4.8lbs, of which 3.2lbs would be muscle and 1.6 would be fat.

Waistline (at belly height) is still at 80 cm, just like in the beginning of this research (without holding, or flexing the abs). Skin pinch seems back to the usual I was during summer and most of this study. As the skin fold at the belly seems back to normal compared to last week (when it appeared a bit thicker), maybe the 0.8lb weight loss was not muscle, but I can’t be sure. Tomorrow I should receive calipers, so I’ll be able to measure skin fold much more precisely. Too bad I didn’t think about buying them before the study. Only 2 weeks to go now.

Have a great week.

 

[OstaRat]

Update, Tuesday Oct. 24, day 79

Last stretch, just a few more days then the 12 weeks will be completed.

Last week was high frequency training again, no cardio, and still eating about 600-800 calories above maintenance (BMR). However, sleep wasn’t that great (or not at all), having about 5.5h of sleep on week days on average, and barely able to get 8h on the weekend.

So Sunday I weigh in at 170.7lbs @9.5% body fat, according to the Omron. Compared to last Sunday, that would be a drop of 0.5lb in weight, of which 0.5lb of lean gain, and 1lb of fat loss. This is really weird to me considering I’m eating way above what I’m used to and not doing any cardio. Maybe not a perfect reading from the Ormon that morning, I don’t know. But at the same time, I would be pleased if that was right. Visually, I quite look the same in the mirror, and my skin fold at the abdomen seems stable.

Overall, after 11 weeks, I’m up 4.4lbs, of which 3.7lbs would be muscle and 0.7 would be fat. Abdomen circumference is at 80.5cm, which is 0.5cm above starting point 11 weeks ago.

Not huge gains so far, way below the 6-7lbs of muscles I was hoping for after reading and watching so many videos about ostarine and cardarine, but I have to admit I was not really aggressive with the bulk (actually I was doing a lot of cardio (HIIT) the first half of this research and not eating in excess during that time).

This week I’m doing a deload, which I should do more often (but never do). I’m doing much less volume (about 2/3 of what I was doing the previous weeks), and keep calories the same as last week. Hopefully, I’ll recover better and make some gains this week.

Have a great week all!

 

[OstaRat]

Final Update, Tuesday Oct. 29, day 84

Final log for this round of research.

For recall, here are the starting stats on Saturday Aug. 5, so 2 days before day 1:
166.3 lbs @ 9.3% bf as per the Omron HBF-306 I’m using at home, meaning 150.85 lbs lean and 15.45 lbs fat.
measurement (in cm):
abdomen 80
hips 91
chest 103,5
shoulders 121,5
neck 40,2
calves 39,5
thighs 59
forearms 29,3
arms 37

This morning I weigh in at:
173.8 lbs @ 10.7% bf as per the Omron HBF-306 I’m using at home, meaning 155.2 lbs lean (+4.35) and 18.6 lbs fat (+3.15).
I also used my new caliper for bf measurement, and it gave me 6.5% bf (8cm abdomen, 7cm thigh and 3.5cm pec). But it is not much relevant since I don’t have the numbers for day 1.

Obviously, on this deload week (lower volume and overall lower energy output), the extra calories resulted in an increase of 3.1 lbs over last Sunday. It could be glycogen and water… and fat.

measurement (in cm):
abdomen 81 (+1)
hips 93.2 (+2.2)
chest 106.2 (+2.7)
shoulders 124.7 (+3.2)
neck 40 (-0.2)
calves 40.3 (+0.8)
thighs 59.8 (+0.8)
forearms 30 (+0.7)
arms 37.8 (+0.8)

Overall, I would say I’m pleased with the results, even though I was hoping for closer to 6-7 lbs of lean mass gain. But considering I was not on calorie surplus the hole research, and considering I gain an average of 4lbs of lean mass per year, it looks like I gain a year worth of lean muscle in only 12 weeks. So, again, I’m pleased with the results.

Also, the original goal of reaching 3% bf was not met, as I decided to put it aside at mid point in the research. I may try again next time: make it the main goal and simply maintain lean mass in the process. I’ll think about it in the coming weeks. I may start ostarine and cardarine again in early January.

Thanks for reading, and good luck to all with your research.

 

[George Spellwin]

Only 84 days? This would be good @ 160 days.

 

[OstaRat]

160 days ???
Is'nt ostarine 12 weeks long cycle to avoid suppression ?
I was using 20mg per day, but even then.

 

[George Spellwin]

160 days ???
Is'nt ostarine 12 weeks long cycle to avoid suppression ?
I was using 20mg per day, but even then.

You won't be able to avoid suppression with time modification. As an example, if you took 5 days of dbol vs 50 days of dbol, you would still be shut down.

 

[SteveMobsterG]

What about long term effects?

 

[muskate]

160 days ???
Is'nt ostarine 12 weeks long cycle to avoid suppression ?
I was using 20mg per day, but even then.

160 days = roughly 5 months. That's a little bit longer then I normally recommend for SARMS cycles but 20 week SARMS cycles are very common.

Ostarine at a responsible dosage (25mg/day) is only minimally suppressive of natural testosterone production. You will want to run a good natural tqestostenre booster after your cycle as a mini PCT but the suppression isn't a big deal in the real scheme of things at all.

 

[OstaRat]

You won't be able to avoid suppression with time modification. As an example, if you took 5 days of dbol vs 50 days of dbol, you would still be shut down.

I bet if you start smoking 2 packs of cigarettes per day for 2 years, you won't have the same lung cancer risk than someone who is doing the same for 20 years straight. One will have his lungs and arteries much more damaged. That is accumulation.

Why would accumulation not applied to ostarine?

 

[OstaRat]

160 days = roughly 5 months. That's a little bit longer then I normally recommend for SARMS cycles but 20 week SARMS cycles are very common.

Ostarine at a responsible dosage (25mg/day) is only minimally suppressive of natural testosterone production. You will want to run a good natural tqestostenre booster after your cycle as a mini PCT but the suppression isn't a big deal in the real scheme of things at all.

Thanks for the clarification.

I stopped for 4 days, already, now not sure if I should just wait until I'm done with the PCT.

- How long should a PCT last after ostarine, when the research lasted 3 months vs 5 months ?

- Should I wait some more time after a PCT before I do another cycle of ostarine ?

- How long should I wait after ostarine if I want to do a research of mk-677 ?

Thanks !

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I would just run a bottle or 2 of HCGenerate ES.

You don't really have to wait before running Nutrobal because it is not suppressive.

 

[OstaRat]

I would just run a bottle or 2 of HCGenerate ES.

You don't really have to wait before running Nutrobal because it is not suppressive.

Thank you very much!

 

[OstaRat]

1 week post research update.

*Done with ostarine, but still doing cardarine and will be for another week (finishing off the bottle)

Up another 1.4lb this week. I went to the gym this morning and I had my body fat check on the In Body machine, and thought I’d compare with my last bf check there when I was 12 days in the research. I also did my usual bf check at home on the Omron.

19-Aug-2017 : at home with the Omron : 170.8lbs @ 10.8% bf = 152.4lbs lean and 18.4lbs fat
04-Nov-2017 : at home with the Omron : 175.2lbs @ 10.7% bf = 156.5lbs lean and 18.7lbs fat
A 4.1lbs lean gain and 0.3 fat gain.

19-Aug-2017 : at the gym with the In Body : 170.8lbs @ 6.4% bf = 159.9lbs lean and 10.9lbs fat
04-Nov-2017 : at the gym with the In Body : 175.2lbs @ 5.4% bf = 165.7lbs lean and 9.5lbs fat
A 5.8lbs lean gain and 1.4lb fat drop.

Either case, I’m really happy, as I gain a year worth of muscle in just under 3 months (I usually gain an average of 4-5lbs of lean muscle per year).

Now I’m going to read about the other sarms and try to figure out if I go with MK-677 in 1-2 weeks, or something else, or if I wait until January to start another round of ostarine research.