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mrt
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OK, lets put in some more objective oppinions as an outsider who have lived and seen the both worlds.
I lived in the States for 5 yrs (university in fucking cold Syarcuse) and visit often as a tourist I think I know a lot about US. I also have been travelling to Europe, mostly to Germany for business nearly for 15yrs.
First it is generally true that the average American Joe doesn't know much about the world and doesn't give a shit. That's a fact and I don't think it is too wrong. However the US governments like to deal a lot outside of US to maintain their superpower status and protect US interests (Oil, Weapon sales, Protection, etc) This is usuall the contrary in Europe. On this side of Atlantic, people usually care and follow what's happenning in the rest of the world and public awareness is much higher. But then the EU governments are really very passive when it comes to deal with problems outside of EU. They are so bad at this that they never want their hands get dirty. We all remember that there was a terrible war going on right in the heart of Europe (Yugoslavia) where thousands of people were slaughtered and none of them just moved a finger. Most of the EU countries allowed many terrorists enter their countries in the name of human rights issues and stupid immigration laws. I know very well that many extreme leftist and islamic terrorists fled from Turkey to avoid punishment and nested in those countries. It was only after 9/11 they started to get a slap on their hands. They really wouldn't care unless their own security is threatened. We have a very good saying for this kind of attitude: " A snake which doesn't bite me should live 1000 yrs"
Also the issue about racism: It is very common all over Europe, now it is even worse then US. As for less crime and violence, yes it is generally a bit better then US and some small EU countries doesn't really have such a problem.
Living in Europe, hmmm...that depends on where you choose to live and how much money you have
I for one find most of the Europe boring and depressive excluding Mediterrenean parts South of France, Spain, Italy, etc. People are generally less friendly and cold.
Now as for the US, IMHO your international politics should change a bit. You maybe the superpower but you shouldn't act as a bully and stop blindly supporting countries because of their powerful lobbies and for pure US interest. I think US should be more careful with its power and try to treat everyone more equally. It shouldn't support Israel so openly just because they are a Jewish state and Jewish lobby in the US is so strong. There should be a more careful balance. Therefore, I believe people don't just hate US because they envy the life style
OK we all know violence, crime, drugs is huge problem in the US but yes, nothing can be perfect and I personally like it there better then Europe. People are more friendlier and easier to socialize (except major cities of course) But please get rid of this stupid speed limits. I remember the days of 55mph and it sucked, now in some states they have 70mph... still sucks but better then before. I love Germany for this
I also hate to see people sueing each other just for greediness for so many stupid issues that I can't believe. Fuckers smoke all their life and sue tabacco companies when they get lung cancer or the famous hot coffee in McDonalds. Some major tweaking needed in the law department.
Some may disagree with me but this is how I feel
I lived in the States for 5 yrs (university in fucking cold Syarcuse) and visit often as a tourist I think I know a lot about US. I also have been travelling to Europe, mostly to Germany for business nearly for 15yrs.
First it is generally true that the average American Joe doesn't know much about the world and doesn't give a shit. That's a fact and I don't think it is too wrong. However the US governments like to deal a lot outside of US to maintain their superpower status and protect US interests (Oil, Weapon sales, Protection, etc) This is usuall the contrary in Europe. On this side of Atlantic, people usually care and follow what's happenning in the rest of the world and public awareness is much higher. But then the EU governments are really very passive when it comes to deal with problems outside of EU. They are so bad at this that they never want their hands get dirty. We all remember that there was a terrible war going on right in the heart of Europe (Yugoslavia) where thousands of people were slaughtered and none of them just moved a finger. Most of the EU countries allowed many terrorists enter their countries in the name of human rights issues and stupid immigration laws. I know very well that many extreme leftist and islamic terrorists fled from Turkey to avoid punishment and nested in those countries. It was only after 9/11 they started to get a slap on their hands. They really wouldn't care unless their own security is threatened. We have a very good saying for this kind of attitude: " A snake which doesn't bite me should live 1000 yrs"
Also the issue about racism: It is very common all over Europe, now it is even worse then US. As for less crime and violence, yes it is generally a bit better then US and some small EU countries doesn't really have such a problem.
Living in Europe, hmmm...that depends on where you choose to live and how much money you have
I for one find most of the Europe boring and depressive excluding Mediterrenean parts South of France, Spain, Italy, etc. People are generally less friendly and cold.Now as for the US, IMHO your international politics should change a bit. You maybe the superpower but you shouldn't act as a bully and stop blindly supporting countries because of their powerful lobbies and for pure US interest. I think US should be more careful with its power and try to treat everyone more equally. It shouldn't support Israel so openly just because they are a Jewish state and Jewish lobby in the US is so strong. There should be a more careful balance. Therefore, I believe people don't just hate US because they envy the life style
OK we all know violence, crime, drugs is huge problem in the US but yes, nothing can be perfect and I personally like it there better then Europe. People are more friendlier and easier to socialize (except major cities of course) But please get rid of this stupid speed limits. I remember the days of 55mph and it sucked, now in some states they have 70mph... still sucks but better then before. I love Germany for this
I also hate to see people sueing each other just for greediness for so many stupid issues that I can't believe. Fuckers smoke all their life and sue tabacco companies when they get lung cancer or the famous hot coffee in McDonalds. Some major tweaking needed in the law department.
Some may disagree with me but this is how I feel
Fromdafrozen said:
Agreed! I´d choose to live in Holland if I could. I tried to get into the university of Maastricht, but my math grades sucked too much. Holland is a really nice country. Little violence, friendly police, legal weed, good incomes, not much pollution, and maastricht is the most beautiful little town I´ve been to.
Sigmund Roid
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fact:
the US does not want to sign the Kyoto treaty, while they are responsible for 1/3 of the total world pollution.
Fact:
the US wants to invade Iraq because of terrorists and Hoessein, while the former USSR wants to invade Georgia for the same reason, and the US is condemning that. Talking about double standards!
Fact:
America does not cooperate with the International Tribune, because they are afraid that a lot of US military leaders will be trialed there.
Fact:
the US abandoned the nuclear war treaty with the former USSR.
Fact:
Because steel production in Europe is much more efficient than in the US, the steel is cheaper here. To protect their inefficient factories, the US is putting high import taxes on steel.
Conclusion:
The US is very antisocial and egocentric when it comes to international relations. No wonder most Europeans start to hate the US (well, the politicians). This was quite different before Bush. Clinton fucked Monika, but Bush fucks the whole world.
the US does not want to sign the Kyoto treaty, while they are responsible for 1/3 of the total world pollution.
Fact:
the US wants to invade Iraq because of terrorists and Hoessein, while the former USSR wants to invade Georgia for the same reason, and the US is condemning that. Talking about double standards!
Fact:
America does not cooperate with the International Tribune, because they are afraid that a lot of US military leaders will be trialed there.
Fact:
the US abandoned the nuclear war treaty with the former USSR.
Fact:
Because steel production in Europe is much more efficient than in the US, the steel is cheaper here. To protect their inefficient factories, the US is putting high import taxes on steel.
Conclusion:
The US is very antisocial and egocentric when it comes to international relations. No wonder most Europeans start to hate the US (well, the politicians). This was quite different before Bush. Clinton fucked Monika, but Bush fucks the whole world.
Sigmund Roid
New member
DocJ said:
"To come into force, Kyoto must be ratified by developed countries responsible for 55 percent of 1990 carbon dioxide emissions. The United States emitted one third of that total. "
from:
http://forests.org/recent/2002/camovrat.htm
"With 4% of the world’s population, the United States emits, by far, the most carbon in the Americas- more than 3 times the rest of the Western Hemisphere combined. "
from:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chapter7a.html
"Major Environmental Issues: Air pollution resulting in acid rain in both the US and Canada; the US is the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels; water pollution from runoff of pesticides and fertilizers; very limited natural fresh water resources in much of the western part of the country require careful management; desertification."
from:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html
I think US should be more careful with its power and try to treat everyone more equally. It shouldn't support Israel so openly just because they are a Jewish state and Jewish lobby in the US is so strong. There should be a more careful balance. Therefore, I believe people don't just hate US because they envy the life style
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I think many us citizens had empathy for the palastinians before all of these suicide bombings.....If I were israel I would bomb the living fuck out of those shit heads....I mean they use 15 yo girls to carry out thier political terror....U never see anyone higher in the palestinian org. blow themselves up for the "cause". Where is the outrage at this.....are we (the US) the only ones that see that this it definately the wrong way to get a Palestinian state.....Arafat had a chance to run his own state in the mid 90's.....it was classic....they couldn't even manage to coordinate garbage pickups, there sewage plants shut down because the dumb fucks couldn't run them....
The palestinians (PLO) make it very clear....they are not interested in a state....they are interested in the complete destruction of Israel!
The palestinians were kicked out of Jordan and looked at as a scurge....similiar to gypsies.....
I think the israelies have shown lots of restraint....I can guarantee u this....if that situation would take place in the US....it would be handled swiftly and forcefully!
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