Ok *nervous laughter* - what about...

[casavant]

CK - excellent point on the 20 reps squats - they TEACh you intensity the hard way.

Pure hell.

 

[TheProject]

yeah - but why go to failure on assisitance work when you don't go to failure on "pl" exercises???

Wouldn't the theory apply to both types of training since sterngth is the main goal in each?

wouldn't rows work the same plane as that you bench in??

That's what I meant: I don't intentionally go to failure on the AW, it just works out that way sometimes. In theory, I should probably stop prior to failure, but I'm stubborn enough to push through all 10 or 15 reps.

Barbell rows are another option for back, but I don't usually do them because my form sucks.

 

[The Shadow]

project - please do NOT take offense at this - but with 10-15 reps)with a nomal rep cadence) you are getting nothing in terms of size OR strength under the TUT.....

 

[The Shadow]

..given that research is showing that strength = 20-40 seconds and size = 40-60 TUT

 

[TheProject]

project - please do NOT take offense at this - but with 10-15 reps)with a nomal rep cadence) you are getting nothing in terms of size OR strength under the TUT.....

No offense taken, but the reality of it is, I've seen both.

Measurements and strength are both up, and I'm still setting PR's. No way that's just from the 2 main moves.

 

[The Shadow]

how do you know?

Like Hannibal said could be increased motor recruitment.....

 

[The Shadow]

...or perhaps going to failure is the catalyst

 

[TheProject]

how do you know?

Like Hannibal said could be increased motor recruitment.....

That's a very good question, and I don't know how to answer it other than with another question: how do we know that any of the stuff we do works?

I've visibly grown, and my lifts are up, so I'd have to say that in general, things are working.

Or are you trying to say that I would see greater results doing something different with my accessory work?

 

[needsize]

I train to failure in just about every workout, but not on every set. My goal is to have pushed the muscle as far as I can by the end of the workout, so I'll use the heavy 5's to work on my strength and overall thickness, but then take it to the wall on the 8-10 rep sets, including a down the rack or drop set on the last one to make sure I've hit failure

 

[The Shadow]

That's a very good question, and I don't know how to answer it other than with another question: how do we know that any of the stuff we do works?

I've visibly grown, and my lifts are up, so I'd have to say that in general, things are working.

Or are you trying to say that I would see greater results doing something different with my accessory work?

Project I really don't know....in light of research on TUT and I believe the research......maybe changing the WAY you do the assistance work..ie - dropping the TUT to around the 20-40 second range to hit more strength fibers...{the fact that you are growing could be attributed to being in the fringe outer time of 60 seconds for size increases...if you are doing 15 reps with a 2-2 cadence - that makes sense).....maybe try that(dropping TUT) when you hit a plateau.....


I do not want anyone to think this is a personal attack......it's just that the research is/will be overwhelming....