Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below ok so iv been researchin few sites last couples weeks n i know this aint ideal first cycle but its the option im choosin... gonna do maybe 20mg d-bols e/d for 4 weeks add 10 mg nova after 2 weeks then up it to 20mge/d for my 3 week pct wit some natural test booster..can any1 forsee any problems il have wit this..all opinions welcome... im 24 165lbs trainin 6 years hard for last 2 years...
ok does this sound right?
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Boxingheels
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How tall are you and what is your bf%? At 165lbs it does not sound like you have reached your genetic potential quite yet. Also an oral only cycle is def not an ideal first cycle. However if you are thinking of doing a Dbol only cycle you need to talk to Radar.
im 5 8" n bout 10% dude..i get the whole oral thimg aint best but im sure i aint first who aint ready for pins n wanna see how my body reacts..i know the nova good for gyno n that n the natural test to boost after cycle..only small cycle in pretty small dose to introduce my self dude ya know...jus wanna know if any 1 can see anythin wrong wit it..
wolfman87
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not to be a dick, but why does it matter if you're just going to do it anyway? in this game it's wise to heed the advice of more knowledgeable persons so you don't hurt yourself. we're not trying to hold you back, we're trying to help you move forward safely. what's your diet like?
4 weaks of dbol alone can give great results and be fairly easy to recover from. the plan you have may work or you may need the nolva a little longer and maybe an otc like sustain alpha or orged pct.
it doesnt sound like your ready for a cycle. steroids will only work if you are dieting and training right. i dont see how you could be doing that. how bout laying out your diet and training in ine detail with times and maybe we can figure out how to get you growing with changes there.
it doesnt sound like your ready for a cycle. steroids will only work if you are dieting and training right. i dont see how you could be doing that. how bout laying out your diet and training in ine detail with times and maybe we can figure out how to get you growing with changes there.
diet is good man 3000+ a day dude..i understand wat ya'll sayin its jus im gettin different answers to similar questions all over de place..iv been told to run 8 weeks pyramidin from 5 to 20 but sounds to long.basically i wanna get a feel for aas n judgin by wat iv seen the 4 weeks at 20mg seems fairly safe as long as i have the nolva aswell..n the natural test booster to get my levels back up after..so i dont see any major probs which is why i askin wat they are if any?
ok well for last 6 months im eatin 3000+ cals eating every 3/4 hours trainin 2 day splits concentartin on compound excercises keepin sessions around the hour limit.n constantly pushin myself..my diet is also pretty good eggs tuna chicken pasta brown rice ect..i researched my trainin and diet last year and have spent time ajustin and gettin it good..jus not to happy wit overall progression n wanna step it up.i dont plan on holdin onto huge gains but some gains and strenght increases will surely help me kick on ya know..
no it aint that dude its jus a ten week cycle seems fairly long.i reliase dose were small aswell but it was first time iv been advised to run it like that n wanted to get peoples opinions on wat i was thinkin dude..
i also didn realise u were the moderator of the site so id say i can expect some posts bashin me!
i also didn realise u were the moderator of the site so id say i can expect some posts bashin me!
Boxingheels
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We really try not to flame anbody here. We just want to help people make the best and most educated decisions. But not listening to Radar's advice is just foolish. The man has a wealth of knowledge and I am very happy to say he has always helped me when I have had questions, so yeah, I would listen to whatever he says dude. He is just trying to help.
the ramping up and down is actually a good idea especially with dbol. a 2 day split is no good and you must need more than 3000k cals if your not gaining. im not trying to be smart or anything im just trying to help you reach your goal. if you keep doing what your doing now all the cycle will do for you is bloat you up a lot then you will shrink right back down to where you where as soon as you stop and your natural test production will be less than it was beore you started. if your willing to go to the extent of taking dangerous hormones to get where your trying to go you should be more than willing to lay it all out for evaluation for people who know how this stuf works to help you.
DJLegacy2k1
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No one here agrees with or likes what youre doing so why are you even asking us what we think? WE ALL think it is a poor cycle, that you dont know enough, that your diet isnt corrent, and your training is weak and unstructured at best. Other than that, if you arent going to listen to us, dont waste our time. 10 weeks is NOT a long cycle A, B you should be taking PH's not Dbol if you arent listening about PCT and how to run things properly. Stop wasting our board space if you are NOT going to listen to the people with much more education that are trying to direct you in the right way. You sound to PRIDEFUL to admit that you need help with your diet and training and yu dont want to hear anything about it from anyone...So just move on, we arent going to co-sign a poor plan for you.
Not meant to be harsh, just the "way" responses are being directed dont seem in the most respectful, open minded way. I could be wrong, but thats just how its coming off. Or maybe the SARMS is making me irritable, lol
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Not meant to be harsh, just the "way" responses are being directed dont seem in the most respectful, open minded way. I could be wrong, but thats just how its coming off. Or maybe the SARMS is making me irritable, lol
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certainly dude..i am takin heed to your posts n will be thinkin more about this the main reason like i said is cause every1 has different opinions so i tryin to gauge every1s n make the best choice...i realise radar knows his shit clearly dude its jus the cycle he suggested was 1 i hadn heard or considered so i posted to get more opinions thats all man..
RADAR
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Thats what i have been trying to tell him.
nothing wrong with that.
there was a time where dbol was it. its what all the big boys used and they had no ai's or pct. they gradually tapered up then back down. this allowed minimal sides and keepable gains. dbol can be used in a variety of ways. if it is run alone it is best used this way. just keep reserching and asking questions just like your doing and hold off on the cycle until you are sure you are ready to go.
wolfman87
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a more detailed diet schedule please... food is the most anabolic thing there is, without eating right it doesn't matter how much dbol, test, whatever you take, it's not going to work like it should if your diet isn't on par. you can pm me with any diet questions and i'll help you set one up that will kick start your growth and strength again without the use of hormones that will only shut you down with minimal overall results. no one said steroids are magic and make you grow without having to do anything.
it could also be that you need to change your training routine...
it could also be that you need to change your training routine...
KenBraggofCarroltonGA
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agree. no days off. keep it in your blood stream. high, high cals. lots lots of water. not much of a fan of oral only(unless when i first started and would fool myself) but u will see after a year or so when you bump up to intramuscular injection. not that i would do that stuff, unless i lived in Thailand or some where. Do what you are donna do, but log it very well. your weight increase, strength increase, calorie intake(exactly what u intake, clean food or not), watrer consumption, throughout cycle, after cycle and look back on it in a couple of years. it will make sense then. whatever radar told you is prob right on.
cool cheers for the post dude..im sure most people here jus tryin to pass on der knowledge based on there own experience n i appreciate that..im not enterin into this lightly at all which is why im here...wat radar suggested was 3weeks 5mg 3 weeks 10mg 2 weeks 20mg then back 10 then finish off on 5..however he suggested only takin on days im trainin mon-wed-fri...
i like taking dbol as a pre work out only, if im running other gear. i would never do that on a dbol only cycle.
if i was running a dbol only cycle with 20mg as my target dose i would run it like this
10/15/20/20/20/20/10/5 8 weaks total.
if i was going to run dbol as a blast and cruize i would run it this way
20mg ed for 1 month than 5 mg ed for 1 month then back to 20 again
eClenbuterol
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Theres just many ways to run Dbol ,since either will put you in an anabolic state Diets and the asorbsion of protein is what matters most
cool cheers for help dudes jus gonna take it all in n not rush into anythin make sure im well prepared....fail to prepare -prepare to fail!!!
glad i came onto forum understandin this alot more now were as iv friends who r takin stuff they r gettin of people without even at the least google wat there stickin into der bodys..NOT ME..
glad i came onto forum understandin this alot more now were as iv friends who r takin stuff they r gettin of people without even at the least google wat there stickin into der bodys..NOT ME..
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