Now that the primo pushers are gone...

[zips92]

I see plenty of guys, of all ages, at the gym who don't juice who could make some hair transplant surgeon a rich man.

Great point, never quite understood this one. Nearly every guy in my office is bald or more appropriately noticeably balding, whether in their 20's, 30's or 40's, and I know none of those doughnut and super size fry eating lards are juicing. Odds are juice or no juice, you are going bald if you were born with a penis........much better than the odds of Primo causing you problems, IMO.

I've used it for years, never lost a hair, never got a zit

Ditto. Now, I haven't used it for "years", but in 3 stints, not a side to be found, and I have never looked the same for a longer period of time after any other type of cycle than I did when using Primo.

Let me preface my last comment with, I know of the boogieman, but don't know him personally, nor have I had any dealings with him. Nonethless, I will never bash an AAS product or give negative feedback just because I don't like another bro that pushes it. Seems contradictory to the purpose/objectives of the EF board.

 

[USHP]

The so called "primo pusher" (you guys can be rough but I understand why to a point) posted one time about a very close friend's mother having a stroke and how the results left her very disabled. He seemed to be pretty shaken up about it. I don't know him personally but his concern seemed genuine.

Prior to this incident the friend's mother had, I read a post mentioning test use and concerns about high BP, leading cause of strokes and other sides (you can get a stroke at a very young age if your BP is left to rise unchecked for a decent period of time especially if you are training heavy). After the incident the praises of primo really began to be sung. And as you can see by this thread there are many primo true believers. While I don't believe all the hype I do believe from conversations with primo users that there was some basis in truth about low sides. Was the primo push a marketing tool for "some" maybe. But I don't think that it was a scam to push something that didn't work as it had been around for years with a safe record and because it had a following of users who believed in it. Could someone make more money on it? Obviously yes. But we have the choice to use what we please and if we don't buy the hype we don't have to buy the product.

What I mentioned earlier about the woman's stroke and how one guy reacted to that by looking at a less toxic substance I take that as probably the truth about how he felt. I take it on face value because I read thousands of posts of his he seemed to be straight up. As far as posts related to business the only ones I saw were posted by members and any 5 yr old could read between the lines and that's BullShit because we should be making it harder for the other side and we seem to make it easier for them on the business end and as users to fuck up our lives.

So, if you're posting in this thread and you're referring to so and so the primo pusher or where is he or any other sarcastic remark about that situation your not contributing to a good thread. You have a personal issue and it obviously ain't getting resolved in this thread. Guys like us shouldn't be infighting we should be sticking together. Believe me I'm not trying to flame anyone and I'm sure guys have very legit reasons for asking questions and I'm a believer in free speech even on these boards within the established rules. I've asked questions all around about certain guys and I've been everywhere and can't get answers. So, I'll wait for answers to come to me. If they come they do if they don't they don't. What we do here is not legit so we take chances with time and resources and sometimes it works out negatively but I've always admired the general attitude of the people on these boards who choose to do something that improves them and harms noone (except the stupid and the ignorant) and truly understands the risks involved and just doesn't throw caution to the wind. I feel like I'm lecturing and I apologize for that as I'm no better than anyone else.

Stay safe and secure

 

[bbkingpin]

Here's Duchaine's quote about primo in USHB II, Primobolan, "Too weak too expensive. European women use it so much because oxandrolone is hard to get" While I always thought DD was a pioneer and very dedicated in a strange way. I didn't buy everything he said not even close. But, I bet that one statement did a lot to create a negative myth around primo. He also listed it in his safest cycle for men at a dosage of 200mg/wk. Shit last time I cycled with anadrol in the mix I did that in 4 days (anadrol not primo) and I was being conservative. Guys I know are doing primo at around 600mg/wk and usually adding var for strength giving the intensity to maximize gains. Just my look into the mind of the primo user.

Stay safe and secure

There was no internet back then, not quite the demand, a lot of government regulation (height of USA gov't crackdown), when DD wrote UGSHII, so 200mg/week was about all someone could locate, if at all! Look at Bill Phillips' ("Body for Life") Anabolic Reference Guide from 1989-90 and there were a lot more pics of fakes (some glaringly obvious fakes) than there were pics of legitimate pharmaceuticals. I had to personally travel to Amsterdam to be able to find anything real and to find a selection (other than Anadrol). D-bol was discontinued back then in USA and not being made a lot anywhere in the world. Var was not generic and was discontinued and even when available was only 2.5mg/tab! There were no Mexican vet labs although there were Mexican human grade, many also fakes. There were no large scale UG labs, though that time was probably the incubator for a lot of the ideas of setting up a large UG operation on foreign soil somewhere and probably a few decided to major in chemistry and later made their fortunes (I'm simply guessing.) Times have changed A LOT since then. There is a cornucopia of steroids available at the moment. Some online sources make for one-stop shopping. So, you have to put what DD said into a historical context.

 

[Ulter]

I agree with Duchaine GRHS. Primo is a waste of time but more importantly money. 5 years ago it was the joke of this board. Long before the t-Bol rage there was a primo rage here. As soon as newbies heard there was a "side free" AS that was in tabs or injectable they were blowing $2000 a cycle. And then 8 weeks later coming back all disenchanted because steroids didn't make them big. E2 and Ranger stomped on it. And for a few years it seemed as though that fire was exstinguished. But all it takes is one guy selling and a couple mods and members to talk it up and there it is burning out of control again. With more than a third of primo users losing vast amounts of hair for very little gains and usually nothing more than a more cut look it's a good thing it's promoters have subsided in my opinion.
But to argue the other side...
This board is not what it was 5 years ago. The vast majority of those here are not looking to get big. They just want to look good at the club or beach. Except for a select few there are no body builders on this board anymore. So maybe Primo has come home to where it belongs now.

 

[bbkingpin]

I agree with Duchaine GRHS. Primo is a waste of time but more importantly money. 5 years ago it was the joke of this board. Long before the t-Bol rage there was a primo rage here. As soon as newbies heard there was a "side free" AS that was in tabs or injectable they were blowing $2000 a cycle. And then 8 weeks later coming back all disenchanted because steroids didn't make them big. E2 and Ranger stomped on it. And for a few years it seemed as though that fire was exstinguished. But all it takes is one guy selling and a couple mods and members to talk it up and there it is burning out of control again. With more than a third of primo users losing vast amounts of hair for very little gains and usually nothing more than a more cut look it's a good thing it's promoters have subsided in my opinion.
But to argue the other side...
This board is not what it was 5 years ago. The vast majority of those here are not looking to get big. They just want to look good at the club or beach. Except for a select few there are no body builders on this board anymore. So maybe Primo has come home to where it belongs now.

Well that's all very true but a lot of us were afraid to take the guy on because the mods had his back and it wasn't worth the risk of getting banned. Myself and Needsize PM'd back and forth a few times about how blatant the self-promotion and hawking of one's own product really was. Just because a guy has a lot of Primo he touts primo primo primo, and 1000mg/week. Buy LOTS OF IT and look no further than me! Then it's human grade, human grade, human grade, until he gets a load of GTP UG and then GTP is the bomb even if its not human grade but rather no grade (underground). Then it's IGF-1. It's refreshing to hear your words but why did it go on for so long unchecked? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[needtogetaas]

I wish the guy well if he did not do anything bad to people and truly got into trouble.

i know some shit about this.

 

[USHP]

There was no internet back then, not quite the demand, a lot of government regulation (height of USA gov't crackdown), when DD wrote UGSHII, so 200mg/week was about all someone could locate, if at all! Look at Bill Phillips' ("Body for Life") Anabolic Reference Guide from 1989-90 and there were a lot more pics of fakes (some glaringly obvious fakes) than there were pics of legitimate pharmaceuticals. I had to personally travel to Amsterdam to be able to find anything real and to find a selection (other than Anadrol). D-bol was discontinued back then in USA and not being made a lot anywhere in the world. Var was not generic and was discontinued and even when available was only 2.5mg/tab! There were no Mexican vet labs although there were Mexican human grade, many also fakes. There were no large scale UG labs, though that time was probably the incubator for a lot of the ideas of setting up a large UG operation on foreign soil somewhere and probably a few decided to major in chemistry and later made their fortunes (I'm simply guessing.) Times have changed A LOT since then. There is a cornucopia of steroids available at the moment. Some online sources make for one-stop shopping. So, you have to put what DD said into a historical context.

Your right about historical context of what he said but in the late 80's and early to mid 90's guys I new were still using him as there reference source for info and I was wondering if that statement could have made it around steroid circles over the years and became part of steroid "fact" handed down by guys who never had better reference sources then DD. He was one of a kind, I thought he was great but somewhat insane. You just reminded me that I have that Anabolic Reference Guide buried under my bed with about 100 old PL USA magazines. I used to get those brand name Anavar 2.5mg tabs from a friend at a local drug distributor for gratis when they went out of date and they were going to through them out that was around '85. Thanks for waking a brain cell or two.

 

[Ulter]

Insane? This was his original idea for Yohimburn.

Captopril
Yohimbine
Clenbuterol
Ephedrine
Aminophylline cream (or substitute with T3)

Crunch it all up and mix with DMSO. Then apply it to the area you want to get rid of.

Add an aromatese inhibitor, more T3 throughout the day along with Masteron.


Later he suggested that would be better to just inject a soluable Yohimbine HCL solution into the fat every 20 minutes before, during and after cardio.

 

[USHP]

Insane? This was his original idea for Yohimburn.

Captopril
Yohimbine
Clenbuterol
Ephedrine
Aminophylline cream (or substitute with T3)

Crunch it all up and mix with DMSO. Then apply it to the area you want to get rid of.

Add an aromatese inhibitor, more T3 throughout the day along with Masteron.


Later he suggested that would be better to just inject a soluable Yohimbine HCL solution into the fat every 20 minutes before, during and after cardio.

That's what I mean lol. mad scientist.

 

[nomad05]

Well that's all very true but a lot of us were afraid to take the guy on because the mods had his back and it wasn't worth the risk of getting banned. Myself and Needsize PM'd back and forth a few times about how blatant the self-promotion and hawking of one's own product really was. Just because a guy has a lot of Primo he touts primo primo primo, and 1000mg/week. Buy LOTS OF IT and look no further than me! Then it's human grade, human grade, human grade, until he gets a load of GTP UG and then GTP is the bomb even if its not human grade but rather no grade (underground). Then it's IGF-1. It's refreshing to hear your words but why did it go on for so long unchecked? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well said & I think lots of people on this board were tired of it-this board has educated me as much as any resource out but any time you have sponsors/etc. & the almight $$$ comes into play you can't be too naive