Now it begins....

[75th]

I am utterly fascinated by the fact that an otherwise intelligent group of people have pounded away at christianity (religon) with a barrage of 'I feel', 'I think', and 'I believe' yet not one of you wants to discuss any pertinent writings, archeology or historical facts.

Even more fascinating is that all of us here are present on a website partially dedicated to educating away the misnomers of AAS, AS and other body-building supplements. In other words, we are interested in the truth. The real science of the body and how it all works. And specifically how we can make it work to the fullest by exploring and understanding human body chemistry and all it entails.

Does anyone else see this?

There's a huge fallacy in your argument - by definition, faith is the belief in something for which there is no proof.

Facts have no place in a discussion about any religion. And that's not a knock on religion by any means, but it's just the way it is.

 

[Redrocker13]

Thanks Smurfy,
Like I said, to me it is a bunch of horseshit and I am entitled to my opinion and I in a way am saving people by pointing out ridiculous things like the literal belief in religion. My strong words could help straighten people out instead of living in La La Land.[/QUOTE]


I am finding myself unable to let this one slide. It would almost be funny if I didn't think you were being serious. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion. But somewhere in your head you veered off into considering yourself to be some sort of theological Robin Hood, saving the poor from the wicked divine taskmaster.

The brilliant lartinos has decreed! I will therefore set aside the testimony of George Washinton, Abraham Lincoln and John Adams. I will think nothing of the thoughts and conclusions of Blaise Pasqual, Sir Isaac Newton, Galileo and Copernicus. I will disregard the words of Tony Dungy, Reggie White, Tom Landry, Bobby Bowden, A.C. Green and Kurt Warner. I will pay no heed to the written testimony or the life testimony of the Apostle Paul, Peter, James, Luke or John. No, not even the great minds and thinkers the likes of Dr. George Washington Carver, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien or Martin Luther will persuade me. And I will ignore modern day world changers like Dr. Martin Luther King and Ronald Reagan. With his extensive study while going to catholic school, Lartinos has concluded that God is the Easter Bunny and believing He exists is La-La land. Thank God for Lartinos! Oops. Sorry about that.

Now in case the sarcasm is lost on you boy, I will elaborate. I made a small list of men who either changed the world or changed the world around them. And do you know what each of them has in common? Other than you aren't fit to tie their shoes, each and every one of them would bear witness of God and His presence in their lives. Even Albert Einstein, though never professing a belief in Christ, insisted that the only logical conclusion to the existence of the universe was that it was CREATED.

Your so-called 'strong words' are little more than an emotional tirade not terribly unlike a kid throwing a fit cause someone said something he didn't happen to like. And what was it that qualifies (in your mind) your words to have the weight to persuade? Oh yeah! You went to catholic school! That's like saying my opinion deserves a seat at the table with the NFL and the players cause I played HS football.

Again, you absolutely are entitled to your opinion. Hell, you're even entitled to mock those who disagree with you. Have at it. But if your delusion runs so deep that you errantly believe your baseless emotional ranting has some power to stand up to the study and testimony of the above mentioned icons, you are sadly mistaken! Not to mention the thousands of others I didn't list.

I will gladly stand with those who profess God and the Lord Jesus. Looks like I'm in good company. You can stand over there with Kinsey, Nietzsche, Lenin, Darwin and Stalin.

 

[Redrocker13]

There's a huge fallacy in your argument - by definition, faith is the belief in something for which there is no proof.

Facts have no place in a discussion about any religion. And that's not a knock on religion by any means, but it's just the way it is.

Point well taken and yet faith isn't the whole of it. For that matter, neither is religon. What is, my point anyway, is knowledge of God. The things upon which my faith stands. And they are not fact-less. But I see the point you are making.

 

[Redrocker13]

You're right, Redrocker. You never misrepresent facts...like by telling me Hagar wasn't a wife of Abraham, then after hearing me quote Genesis as saying she was, telling me you'd known that for 10 weeks. Which if true, would mean you purposely falsified facts for the sake of your argument.

I agree with you, but let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, ya know?

I have to take that one on the chin. You are proving to be troublesome. In a very good way.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I am utterly fascinated by the fact that an otherwise intelligent group of people have pounded away at christianity (religon) with a barrage of 'I feel', 'I think', and 'I believe' yet not one of you wants to discuss any pertinent writings, archeology or historical facts.

Even more fascinating is that all of us here are present on a website partially dedicated to educating away the misnomers of AAS, AS and other body-building supplements. In other words, we are interested in the truth. The real science of the body and how it all works. And specifically how we can make it work to the fullest by exploring and understanding human body chemistry and all it entails.

Does anyone else see this?

i feels and i thinks and i believes are the only thoughts you can have on religion.

it is impossible to *know* and that is the whole point.

writings are created by man. as are archaelogical or historical "facts".

unless of course they were created by ancient aliens

 

[Mr. dB]

Thanks Smurfy,
Like I said, to me it is a bunch of horseshit and I am entitled to my opinion and I in a way am saving people by pointing out ridiculous things like the literal belief in religion. My strong words could help straighten people out instead of living in La La Land.[/QUOTE]


I am finding myself unable to let this one slide. It would almost be funny if I didn't think you were being serious. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion. But somewhere in your head you veered off into considering yourself to be some sort of theological Robin Hood, saving the poor from the wicked divine taskmaster.

The brilliant lartinos has decreed! I will therefore set aside the testimony of George Washinton, Abraham Lincoln and John Adams. I will think nothing of the thoughts and conclusions of Blaise Pasqual, Sir Isaac Newton, Galileo and Copernicus. I will disregard the words of Tony Dungy, Reggie White, Tom Landry, Bobby Bowden, A.C. Green and Kurt Warner. I will pay no heed to the written testimony or the life testimony of the Apostle Paul, Peter, James, Luke or John. No, not even the great minds and thinkers the likes of Dr. George Washington Carver, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien or Martin Luther will persuade me. And I will ignore modern day world changers like Dr. Martin Luther King and Ronald Reagan. With his extensive study while going to catholic school, Lartinos has concluded that God is the Easter Bunny and believing He exists is La-La land. Thank God for Lartinos! Oops. Sorry about that.

Now in case the sarcasm is lost on you boy, I will elaborate. I made a small list of men who either changed the world or changed the world around them. And do you know what each of them has in common? Other than you aren't fit to tie their shoes, each and every one of them would bear witness of God and His presence in their lives. Even Albert Einstein, though never professing a belief in Christ, insisted that the only logical conclusion to the existence of the universe was that it was CREATED.

Your so-called 'strong words' are little more than an emotional tirade not terribly unlike a kid throwing a fit cause someone said something he didn't happen to like. And what was it that qualifies (in your mind) your words to have the weight to persuade? Oh yeah! You went to catholic school! That's like saying my opinion deserves a seat at the table with the NFL and the players cause I played HS football.

Again, you absolutely are entitled to your opinion. Hell, you're even entitled to mock those who disagree with you. Have at it. But if your delusion runs so deep that you errantly believe your baseless emotional ranting has some power to stand up to the study and testimony of the above mentioned icons, you are sadly mistaken! Not to mention the thousands of others I didn't list.

I will gladly stand with those who profess God and the Lord Jesus. Looks like I'm in good company. You can stand over there with Kinsey, Nietzsche, Lenin, Darwin and Stalin.

Logical Fallacies Appeal to Authority

 

[Mr. dB]

Sorry Sub, Allah and Jehovah are indeed not the same. Not even close.

All monotheistic religions worship the same deity, by definition.

Otherwise you're admitting that more than one deity exists.

 

[mrplunkey]

All monotheistic religions worship the same deity, by definition.

Otherwise you're admitting that more than one deity exists.

The Abramic religions all build on the notion of monotheism, which at the time were a very radical idea.

 

[cindylou]

All monotheistic religions worship the same deity, by definition.

This is the best way to end this thread unless the objective is to argue. Usually these arguments are started by atheists who want to do word play(they usually think they are the first ones to bring us this new information lol). The only answer that matters is Paul's approach to Jews (which is basically..."sure, whatever") lol

Surah 112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

However... unless we are doing word play (because even then the word God, or Lord is meaningless) surely everyone can understand the difference. God revealed Himself to the Israelites, then the Son became incarnate...further revelation. Mohammad then claims to receive revelation which contradicts that revelation.

Even if they were to say otherwise it is merely saying one is and one is not, not that there are two.

A possible Christian POV outside of Paul's suggestion on how to deal

People that don't worship Jesus do not worship God
Jews and Muslims do not worship Jesus
Jews and Muslims do not worship the same God as Christians.

 

[Strongbow]

I believe lartinos is a phagette

I second this motion.