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I believe that people who constantly tout their particular brand of religious "truth" are the ones who are trying the hardest to still convince themselves.

I think that group is pretty convinced. But I also think they are trying to use religion to fulfill more than its original purpose.

I personally believe religion served our ancestors by giving them enough security and comfort that they could get on with their day-to-day lives. Once religion became the basis for their day-to-day lives, it probably began having increasingly negative effects.
 
I think that group is pretty convinced. But I also think they are trying to use religion to fulfill more than its original purpose.

I personally believe religion served our ancestors by giving them enough security and comfort that they could get on with their day-to-day lives. Once religion became the basis for their day-to-day lives, it probably began having increasingly negative effects.

I think that the major purpose that religion served our ancestors was to empower a class of priests who didn't have to do any work. It's a nice gig if you can get it. They can consolidate their power through fear, without having to physically defend their position the way a tribal chieftain does.
 
I think that the major purpose that religion served our ancestors was to empower a class of priests who didn't have to do any work. It's a nice gig if you can get it. They can consolidate their power through fear, without having to physically defend their position the way a tribal chieftain does.

I'm sure there was an element of that as well.

Let's see... make the rules on the fly. Don't do "real" work. Secure benefits through a network of similarly-entitled individuals...

These guys were the forerunners of today's politicians.

That makes sense to me.
 
Well obviously!

I was raised Church of Christ. I'm even trained in the church (they used to start you at 12).

I'm an atheist now, but I'm far from a militant atheist. Religion served a purpose at some point in our evolution. It can be argued that we're past that now, but anyone pretending to understand the brain that well is probably full of crap. I know I sure don't know if our brains are "evolved" enough to move forward without it.

I'll also go a step farther. If someone has a particular belief system and it doesn't hurt someone else, we probably should just let sleeping dogs die. I'll admit I like to poke fun at the sun worshipers from time-to-time, but it's more over their jacked environmental attitude than it is their specific religious beliefs.

I hear ya. In theory I agree, but most of the time it never works out that way. People tend to impose their views, use it as the basis for arguments or feel entitled as a result.
 
I think that the major purpose that religion served our ancestors was to empower a class of priests who didn't have to do any work. It's a nice gig if you can get it. They can consolidate their power through fear, without having to physically defend their position the way a tribal chieftain does.

You're talking about ancient times, right? Hard to tell because you switch to present tense. If you think being a priest now is easy work, I'm going to need to educate you.
 
You're talking about ancient times, right? Hard to tell because you switch to present tense. If you think being a priest now is easy work, I'm going to need to educate you.

I'm talking about origins of religion, in tribal societies.
 
I am utterly fascinated by the fact that an otherwise intelligent group of people have pounded away at christianity (religon) with a barrage of 'I feel', 'I think', and 'I believe' yet not one of you wants to discuss any pertinent writings, archeology or historical facts.

Even more fascinating is that all of us here are present on a website partially dedicated to educating away the misnomers of AAS, AS and other body-building supplements. In other words, we are interested in the truth. The real science of the body and how it all works. And specifically how we can make it work to the fullest by exploring and understanding human body chemistry and all it entails.

Does anyone else see this?
 
I am utterly fascinated by the fact that an otherwise intelligent group of people have pounded away at christianity (religon) with a barrage of 'I feel', 'I think', and 'I believe' yet not one of you wants to discuss any pertinent writings, archeology or historical facts.

Even more fascinating is that all of us here are present on a website partially dedicated to educating away the misnomers of AAS, AS and other body-building supplements. In other words, we are interested in the truth. The real science of the body and how it all works. And specifically how we can make it work to the fullest by exploring and understanding human body chemistry and all it entails.

Does anyone else see this?

You're right, Redrocker. You never misrepresent facts...like by telling me Hagar wasn't a wife of Abraham, then after hearing me quote Genesis as saying she was, telling me you'd known that for 10 weeks. Which if true, would mean you purposely falsified facts for the sake of your argument.

I agree with you, but let he who has not sinned cast the first stone, ya know?
 
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