Nothing working, time to quit or use drugs?

[Denilson35]

I'm still pretty confused. Most of you are telling me to up my calories, but I want to lose weight so that I am lighter on my feet. Most soccer players my height weigh less, and I'd like to get down towards 170. With that in mind, I realize that CKD would be a bad idea for an endurance athlete. So I'll switch to "1/3 of each nutrient" diet plan. Should I stop exercising on an empty stomach? Muscle milk sounds good, but creatine would cause water retention and I'd go up to more than 180? Confusion still abounds, I read so many different perspectives which are interesting but differing!

 

[Throwfarther25]

Eat some Doughnuts, my cousin from Kameroon is a soccer player and all he does is eat doughnuts every other day. He says dont eat burgers and Chinese during season just eat anything else. Look also if your muscles are flat as hell you have to put on bodyweight to get toned up. Your a skinny man, my friend is 5'9 and your bodyweight, and he has abs, he looks good the women love him, so shit I think for soccer if you weigh 185 and look ripped then what the hell, your body needs to get stronger to support the weight, then maybe you can kick the ball harder and become more versatile. I mean more power behind the ball who would complain about that.

 

[Denilson35]

Your doughnuts suggestion is the worst suggestion I've ever heard. "Don't eat burgers and Chinese during season just eat anything else." Well then I guess I'll stick to pancake syrup and chocolate fudge all day long. "I mean more power behind the ball who would complain about that." Well thats not necessarily true. Force=massXacceleration, and acceleration goes down if you are heavier, and mass obviously goes down if you are lighter. This is simplistic, but the idea is, some soccer players would contest to being bigger cause they know it would slow them down, and because endurance athletes don't want to carry all that extra weight around for games. but anyways....

 

[Him1]

Yeah, terrible advice, lol. Let me try to adress your question about calories, but, it seems to me that you just need to do some remedial nutrition studying. We don't know you, so all we get is your perspective(which is the most important one but, still leaves room for our error). I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but, the reason I told you to up your calories is simple. You're just not getting enough. Lets say you take in 2100. At your bodyweight(2100=app 178x12), thats how many most people would take in to MAINTAIN their size if they were COMPLETELY SEDENTARY, sitting on the couch all day! You are burning 4-500 calories a day w/ all that cardio every day!Thats about 500-1000 calorie a day deficit. At that rate your body is feeding almost completely on amino acids consumed and existing muscle tissue, and it doesn't want to give up that little bit of fat you do have. The point is, up the calories... let you body adjust, spare muscle and burn fat.

Your doughnuts suggestion is the worst suggestion I've ever heard. "Don't eat burgers and Chinese during season just eat anything else." Well then I guess I'll stick to pancake syrup and chocolate fudge all day long. "I mean more power behind the ball who would complain about that." Well thats not necessarily true. Force=massXacceleration, and acceleration goes down if you are heavier, and mass obviously goes down if you are lighter. This is simplistic, but the idea is, some soccer players would contest to being bigger cause they know it would slow them down, and because endurance athletes don't want to carry all that extra weight around for games. but anyways....

 

[Denilson35]

So I should discontinue HIIT, eat more, get creatine, get muscle milk, and what else? How should I do cardio now, just long runs in the morning on empty? It sucks because I go 7 days a week both cardio and lifting, and I don't do cheat days, and I still am not defined. I think you must be right about my body fat being higher, even though it got tested at 9. It must be around 10, and I must be doing something wrong when I test. What to do, what to do....So frustrating, ifeel like i should just sit around and everything would be the same

 

[Throwfarther25]

Yeah it was shitty advice, I didnt say it was mine. I know a little strength never hurt anyone I didnt say get fat and run around playing soccer. Hell if I could put on 7 pounds of muscle and have better abs, and look better instead of being a skinny toothpick, with no definition then I would. I know that 178 is damn skinny for whoever you are, or whatever you do unless your a Calvin Klein model.I just find it weird that you workout 6 times a week, and your still skinny, but you dont want to eat so you must be worried about being slower, cause you must be damn slow now doing all that cardio. hey I mean you can call me a dumb bastard but have fun doing 5 hours of cardio next week

 

[Denilson35]

That shouldn't even dignify a response...however..I didn't call you a dumb bastard, 178 is actually heavier than the average human, not very skinny. 178 is heavy for a 6'1 soccer player. Rivaldo, one of the best in the world weighs 165 and hes a bit taller. And im not slow, i run a 4.5 40...So anyway, just chill out dude... any other ideas, what do other soccer players do?

 

[Zagreus]

Your original post seemed like you were complaining about your muscle size and lack of definition with respect to your body fat level. You are flat because you are in ketosis. I am willing to bet that your muscles feel fuller when you carb up and your overall sports performance increases.

If you do not care about size and definition and just want to loose weight then continue on your program though without CKD. CKD fucks up you levels of leptin. Leptin is one of the hormones that regulate weight loss. Eat a diet high in protien, moederate Low Gi Carbs ie "NOT DONUTS", and low fats, though Flax seed oil, omega 3's and medium chain triglicerides found in muscle milk are good. To little fat and carbs leads to fucked up leptin levels. Lastly, Creatine fills muscle cells not only with water but also with excess ATP. ATP is the energy you need on the feild. Albeit that your soccer performance would improve by cycling creatine.

One last thing I used when i palyed was a product called ultimate orange, it tastes like shit but has a great blend of low, mid and high gh carbs plus some ephidrine. That shit kicks ass. Try some before a practice session first so you are ready for it.

Good Luck,

Zag

 

[Denilson35]

Again, Him1 and Zagreus I appreciate the advice. I think its my fault because i'm being pretty unclear, maybe because I'm ambivalent about what to do. I want definition and to be able to see musculature, but I want to be in the best soccer shape. I thought those would be aligned with each other, but I'm not positive. If you were in my shoes, and had about 4 1/2 months to get in the best shape of your life, what should the approach be? Just to be brief like, percentages of C/P/F, supplements necessary, optional, and what type of running i should do.. all the thanks

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I didn't even read everyone's replies. I didn't have to. You are eating nothing. You are running your ass off. No one could gain off of that (unless you have never lifted before). You don't need drugs you need food. I am eating atleast 1,000g's of carbs a day and weight gains are still very slow. I do absolutely no cardio. Granted I have a pretty fast metabolism, but my point is I am eating almost 3 times as many calories as you are and my gains are still slow. Start eating, especially the way you are running you need to eat like you have never eaten in your life. You need atleast 6,000 cals a day to gain weight on that kind of activity level. Good luck bro!