Newbie - When to stop?

[Thaibox]

His goal = to fill his clothes

- If he's a true ectomorph, he has no concern for fat. Fat gain is good. Any gain is good. Therefore excessive carb intake should not be a concern. Moonface? who cares?

- If he's just now starting, chances are he won't be able to do enough chins to be productive, let alone "weighted" chins.

- No way should he be taking an ECA stack. Jesus, you want his metabolism to speed up faster?

- Your calorie count is WAAAAY off. Lets assume he weighs 160 lbs, that means, by your system, that he would eat (maximum)2600 cals/day. Thats dieting dude. If this guy's calories drop below 3,000, he's not going to grow.

- why even mention steroids at all?

- You're advocating the use of a belt for a newbie???? If you like hurniated discs and weak abs, then thats fine I suppose.

-are you going to go to his house to show him how to do a SLDL or just let him fuck his back with heavy weight and poor form?

- TRAIN 6 DAYS A WEEK???????
Part of the definition of an ectomorph is their vulnerability to overtraining. Ectomorphs train hard too often, shrink, then give up because they think its hopeless because of advise like yours

- you're telling him to take B-12 shots. Totally unecessary complication

- he doesn't give a crap if he can "see his abs", because they'll be surrounded by bone not muscle.


You don't understand the ectomorphic condition, so giving advise as though you do is a very bad idea and can lead people to a crash and burn in their training.

Simple plan of attack...Lift hard and smart, consitently, and infrequently, rest a lot, and never stop eating. Thats all it is

 

[jgk62]

My routine is more or less like this:

M, W, F
3 sets upper body using lat pull down, military press, upright press, butterfly on the pulley system
And then curls, etc using dumbbells

T, Th
lower body using leg press, leg developer on pulley system, squats, lunges and step ups using dumbbells

I've been working out lightly the past 5 months but last week stepped up the resistance.

I know I can never be big but my goal is to be defined.
I'm 40 by the way. I watch what i eat and dont have much body fat.

Thanks, you guys (and gals) are great...

 

[jgk62]

Oh yea, forgot to mention that I work the abs 3 times a week using different floor exercises non stop for 15 minutes, and they sure are sore when i'm done.

 

[theoak01]

try this maybe
monday
5 sets of lat pull downs/military press monday
with 3 sets of side laterals with db's
db deadlifts 5sets

wed do 5 sets of upright press
5 sets of butterfly
5 sets of curls to failure
5 sets of db curls
if you can do pushdowns for tri's on the cable system
overhead tricep extensions with db

fri lower body
5 sets squats
leg press 3 sets
5 sets lunges
and i assume you are squating with a cable system if so make a step with wood or whatever and stand on the edge and do calf raises

hopefully this helps

and just eat like mad

 

[Happyastro]

Nods to Thaibox

Yeah I was not thinking about the ectomorph condition... never experienced it.
I suppose ectomorphs have different needs from Mesomorph/ectomorph types; the maintenance level it maybe off since ectomorphs have a different meto rate from mesomorphs.
As for the B12 injections, they are great for all body types and have no bad side effects, so it is not really a complication.
The steriod advice is just something I believe in since alot of new trainers I know have thought about the gear at one time or another.

Well I still believe in the need to focus on compound movements and not stop due to a strange feeling; let your str/body weight journal give you a better indication.
A journal is a MUST because if your strength is not going up it is a sign of trouble.

Thanks for clearing it up Thaibox

Mad Mongolian

 

[Thaibox]

I actually think b-12 is great also. I meant "complication" as unnecessary for the average person. Most people aren't willing to poke themselves.

I just read my post, sorry if it sounded a little harsh. I just wanted to give your info a check, thats all.

 

[RusPA81]

Where does one find a B12 shot? I assume that these are legal and can be purchased OTC somewhere.

 

[Thaibox]

You can get B-12 at vet stores and such for dirt cheap. You can get human grade B-12 also, but I never tried. I'm sure somebody on the anabolic board could tell you where to find human grade. I don't see why a doc wouldn't just give it to you.