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Newbie FIRST POST!

Your program looks good, but I would feel bad if I didn't express a small concern. Don't get me wrong...Daisy Girl knows her stuff!!! :) It's just that you have a LOT of reps per week for a person just starting out, and I don't want you to be brutally sore. I'm going to make a recommendation, and you can do what you would like with it. :) Keep in mind that you have a lifetime ahead of you, and easing into this will be far better than getting so sore (or injured) that you don't want to exercise (or can't).

1) For the first 2 weeks, just do one exercise per bodypart for the 3 sets of 10-15. You could even alternate them. So, on Monday do Chest Press, on Wednesday do Pushups, on Friday do Chest Press, etc. Use just enough weight that you are starting to struggle on your last rep (or two) of your last set.
2) For the next 2 weeks, do both exercises per bodypart, but only do TWO sets of 10-15. This is a progression, because you are now doing 4 sets, instead of 3. Keep the weight the same this entire time. Your progression will be based on volume (total number of reps) and not weight.
3) For the next 2 weeks, go ahead and go to the full 3 sets of both exercises, as you have it written. Continue to keep the weight the same, unless by this time you find that it is just too easy to do.

Your program that you have now has 180-270 total reps per week. Unless you use ridiculously light weight, this is just too much for a new person. What I have done is started you for 2 weeks at 90-135 reps per week, bumped you up 2 weeks later to 120-180 reps per week, and then 2 weeks after that to the full 180-270 reps per week. This will allow time for your nervous system, muscles, tendons, and ligaments to progressively build up to the amount of volume you are attempting, instead of just dumping all of it onto them at once. If you decide to do it this way, let me know how you're doing at 6 weeks, because a whole new world opens up in the way of progression, and it will need to be properly addressed.

At the end of the day, though, it is a good program with pretty good exercises. Oh...one more thing. Please do your legs first. By the end of the workout, you'll be glad you did. :D
 
nelmsjer said:
Your program looks good, but I would feel bad if I didn't express a small concern. Don't get me wrong...Daisy Girl knows her stuff!!! :) It's just that you have a LOT of reps per week for a person just starting out, and I don't want you to be brutally sore. I'm going to make a recommendation, and you can do what you would like with it. :) Keep in mind that you have a lifetime ahead of you, and easing into this will be far better than getting so sore (or injured) that you don't want to exercise (or can't).

1) For the first 2 weeks, just do one exercise per bodypart for the 3 sets of 10-15. You could even alternate them. So, on Monday do Chest Press, on Wednesday do Pushups, on Friday do Chest Press, etc. Use just enough weight that you are starting to struggle on your last rep (or two) of your last set.
2) For the next 2 weeks, do both exercises per bodypart, but only do TWO sets of 10-15. This is a progression, because you are now doing 4 sets, instead of 3. Keep the weight the same this entire time. Your progression will be based on volume (total number of reps) and not weight.
3) For the next 2 weeks, go ahead and go to the full 3 sets of both exercises, as you have it written. Continue to keep the weight the same, unless by this time you find that it is just too easy to do.

Your program that you have now has 180-270 total reps per week. Unless you use ridiculously light weight, this is just too much for a new person. What I have done is started you for 2 weeks at 90-135 reps per week, bumped you up 2 weeks later to 120-180 reps per week, and then 2 weeks after that to the full 180-270 reps per week. This will allow time for your nervous system, muscles, tendons, and ligaments to progressively build up to the amount of volume you are attempting, instead of just dumping all of it onto them at once. If you decide to do it this way, let me know how you're doing at 6 weeks, because a whole new world opens up in the way of progression, and it will need to be properly addressed.

At the end of the day, though, it is a good program with pretty good exercises. Oh...one more thing. Please do your legs first. By the end of the workout, you'll be glad you did. :D

Man I wish i got this yesterday! I am so damn sore today I can barely walk up or down the stairs! My arms are ok but but my ass and theighs feel as though someone smashed them with a baseball bat! So tomorrow is my next weight day and I think that I will take your advice! So correct me if I am wrong:

So pick one exercise per group and do it 3x for 10-15 reps for the first 2 weeks, then the next 2 weeks do both excercises per group keeping weight the same doing it 2x 10-15 reps keeping weight same. Then the next 2 weeks do 2 excercises 3x10 keeping weight the same or increasing if too easy?

Am i getting this right?

Thanks
 
imo - if you train intensely enough...you will not recover form a ful body workout in 2 days.

REMEMBER.....EVERY day is kidney day
 
The Shadow said:
imo - if you train intensely enough...you will not recover form a ful body workout in 2 days.

REMEMBER.....EVERY day is kidney day
I agree completely. I trained chest last night and there's no way in hell I could train it again tomorrow.....and that was only with 6 sets of 10.
 
wannabephat said:
Man I wish i got this yesterday! I am so damn sore today I can barely walk up or down the stairs! My arms are ok but but my ass and theighs feel as though someone smashed them with a baseball bat! So tomorrow is my next weight day and I think that I will take your advice! So correct me if I am wrong:

So pick one exercise per group and do it 3x for 10-15 reps for the first 2 weeks, then the next 2 weeks do both excercises per group keeping weight the same doing it 2x 10-15 reps keeping weight same. Then the next 2 weeks do 2 excercises 3x10 keeping weight the same or increasing if too easy?

Am i getting this right?

Thanks

Yes, you are getting it right. You've grasped the concept completely.

There are several groups of thoughts on training, as you have seen on your thread. I'm just going to share my opinion, backed by experience. Understand, however, that their opinion is backed by experience, too! LOL! :lmao: So...what do you do?

Shadow, who is an EXPERT on this stuff, has suggested that if you train intensely enough, that you will not be able to recover from a full body workout in 2 days. He is absolutely right! :) However, he also brought up the main factor in the issue: intensity.

By manipulating intensity and training full body (or body parts) more than once per week, you can achieve the same effects that you do by thrashing each body part once per week and giving it an entire week to recover. Multiple, full body sessions per week are what Daisy Girl and I are advocating, and we have had great success with it. Single body part sessions are what Shadow and many of the ladies here do and are advocating, and they have had great success with it. Ultimately, the choice is yours.

The reason I recommend DG's workout, with lower total reps per week, is because you are a beginner. I don't think a beginner should annihilate a body part right away. Perhaps annihilate is too strong of a word, but that IS what it is going to feel like to you. So, I'm suggesting that you ease back and use more frequency. The body will respond by adapting with a faster recovery system.

I would currently suggest that you:

1) skip your lower body exercises for your next workout and just do 2 sets of bodyweight squats for 10 reps, one at the beginning of the exercise session and one at the end. That is it!!! Be careful, because I can only imagine how bad you're hurting.
2) work out your upper body using the parameters I have given. Remember that I said find a weight that you are struggling with for the last rep or two of the last set. That will give you an appropriate intensity.
3) For the workout after your next one, jump back to the full body, using the guidelines I recommended. If your legs are still sore, go ahead and work them out lightly at this workout! The activity and blood flow will actually help you recover faster then if you skip them again.

Everyone, for the sake of not totally hijacking this thread, I'll start a new thread and link to it here. Hopefully, we can have an intelligent, thoughtful, and polite discussion on the various philosophies. :)
 
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