Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[MoreBeefPlease]

i agree with what you guys have said but how long were they on for. 5 weeks, 3 months, all year. i have heard of pros who say they cycle which they do but are actually on all year. they may go 2grams a week then cycle 6 grams/w for a period then go back to 2gr/w. so essentially cycling but on all year round.

 

[chrisoh]

Arnold's nowhere near his size 25 years ago but he still looks pretty damned good for 50+

 

[Fonz]

NEWBIES..... you would do very well following this advice.
Vets.......... maybe we have something to learn still.

After doing much digging in regard to the way men used to cycle years ago I have come to the conclusion that 98% of us use too much gear....please read on.

I have always been a believer in using as little gear as possible but even I have used way too much in the past and this has resulted in big sides.

Here are examples of cycles used by the pro's of the late 60's and 70's. They were certainly well developed men actually looked better then most of the pro's today IMHO.

My Hero The late great Mike Mentzer was considered a man living on the edge in the late 70's and up until he retired after the 80 Olympia.

MIKE MENTZER
In prep for the 80 Olympia Mike used 400 of deca and 20 or 30 of d-bol per day. I think it was actually 20 of d-bol . I believe he took the d-bol for 4-6 weeks only.This was considered a BIG dose of juice. This was published in his "Heavy Duty Journal" and was well know . Mike was one of the only Bodybuilders that made "no bones" about his roid use.
Now Mike was a big guy and very strong and walked around in the off season at about 250 fairly lean pounds at 5'-9"

The following I got from Nelson Montana.

ARNOLD
He reported liked 600 of primo and 50 of d-bol per day.

SERGIO
This huge bro used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny per day.

FRANK ZANE
Frank likeed 100 of deca and 100 of primo and was know to use a little thyroid as well.

DAVE DRAPER
Dave used 25 of winny per day way back in the late 60's

LARRY SCOTT
Larry used 10 of d-bol in divided doses per day. This was considered a large dose back in the mid 60's

Now all these guys are bigger than 95% of the members of this board I am sure and if they didn't need large doses then why do you?
Do what they did......be a lifter first and then use a little roid as a SUPPLEMENT.

Unless you are 40 or more pounds above your natural maximum weight AND are a top competitor I see no reason to use high doses of gear. Even Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" who is a top national level competitor doesn't use half the juice that many of you use.

It has been said by many that gains made slowly and in smaller jumps are kept better. I for one strongly believe this. The human body is not meant to gain 30 pounds of bulk in 8 weeks..much of that will be lost post cycle as the body just can't hold it all at once. It makes much better sence to gain slowly but surely. It is better for your health and the low doses avoid the puffy watery look that was not even acceaptable in the off season in 1975.


Perhaps we all need to re-think how we use steroids.

Realgains suggestions for the newbies.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 10- 20 of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks in divided doses.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 25 of winstrol per day for 4-6 weeks

250 of test alone for 8-10 weeks

250-400 of primo alone

250-300 of EQ alone

10-20 of d-bol alone in four divided doses per day for 6 weeks

Good luck!





RG

Good post. One thing though.

The dball dosages are bullshit.

The old pros ate them like Candy.

One guy used to have a jar full of dballs and he would take a handful a couple of times/day.

Fonz

 

[Dizzy]

Great post RealGains. I agree that most people are using way too much. And if they would eat, train, and rest properly then they would see much better results from lower doses.

I agree with MikePT as well though. These guys you mentioned are/were genetically gifted. I've seen guys do more sitting around the gym than work and they are simply monsters.

Some guys just respond better to higher or lower doses.

Texas Ranger - Wether a person is a freak or not does not rely on their natural test levels. The higher their levels the better yes...but it doesn't make the freak.

 

[Texas Ranger]

ChrisOh, Var and Winny(17 aa's) for an extended period of time are a bad idea.

 

[Burgboy]

A friend of mine whos post on elite did his first cycle....he's in his 30's 20 mg of dbol and 250 mg of sust a week....gained 30 pounds

 

[Texas Ranger]

Dizzy, I beg to differ. Just some food for thought; When do the majority of guys make the best gains, me included? I'd be willing to bet a years salary, it's between 17-21 years of age. And this is without knowing a lick about proper training or nutrition. Your natural Test is through the roof!!!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Up again!!

 

[Dizzy]

Dizzy, I beg to differ. Just some food for thought; When do the majority of guys make the best gains, me included? I'd be willing to bet a years salary, it's between 17-21 years of age. And this is without knowing a lick about proper training or nutrition. Your natural Test is through the roof!!!

Agreed 100%. Best gains would come around that time. But hardgainers go through that same time period. Some people are just born with more muscle and build muscle easier than others. It's in the genetic code...not the testes. lol

 

[Realgains]

Great post RealGains. I agree that most people are using way too much. And if they would eat, train, and rest properly then they would see much better results from lower doses.

I agree with MikePT as well though. These guys you mentioned are/were genetically gifted. I've seen guys do more sitting around the gym than work and they are simply monsters.

Some guys just respond better to higher or lower doses.

Texas Ranger - Wether a person is a freak or not does not rely on their natural test levels. The higher their levels the better yes...but it doesn't make the freak.

I don't think that high doses will do much if any more for the genetically challenged bro.

True the guys I mentioned were gifted but does that mean the average guy needs to take a gram of juice a week...maybe a little more but we have to be realistic I think.

RG