Newb on my first cycle, want opinion on Test

[blitzer_]

Hello all, Just joined the forum, going to hit up my first cycle in a few weeks, here's the lowdown.

25 year old male
6', 190lbs, about 13%BF
Casual training for 4 years, more serious in the past year

After educating myself as thoroughly as possible I've decided on the following:
400mg nandrolone/wk total to be spread out EOD for 12weeks
600mg test/wk total for 14 weeks, 2 wks past the nandrolone
I've got 10mgx40tabs of proviron, and 10mgx100tabs of Novadex (generic) standing by

There seems to be a lot of conjecture on when/how exactly to take the Pro for PCT and whether or not to take the Nova PCT or at all during the cycle, so opinions on that would be appriciated.

When I was purchasing my saftey drugs I was unaware the the nandrolone has the potiental to cause gyno through a different action than the test so I didn't purchase any "bromo-----?". Thoughts on the risk of running the cycle without it?

I'm also undecided on what test to use. At first I was going to use a generic sostenon-like product, but recently I've decided that either Ethenate or Cyponate would probobly be more appropriate. Opinion on what test?

I live next to mexico and I can purchase anything, anytime. Cheap. I guess I'm pretty lucky in that regard. So since I have the pick of the litter, what should I run? Is there a third product I might consider adding to the stack?

BTW I was unable to find generic Arimidex in Mexico. It was $240/box even there. Ouch. Do any of the OTC supplements that claim anti-aromatase action live up to the claim?

I've read a lot of archives, these are the me-specific questions I've still left to answer, so any and all opinions would be apprciated.

Thanks boys,
rp
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4185474#post4185474

 

[Heath82]

first off, you could still gain alot naturally imo. second, do not, i repeat, do not use a gram a week for a first cycle! WAY TOO MUCH! third, you need to stick with one compound, pref test cyp or enth. they are almost identical so get whatevers cheaper. if you run 2 coumpounds that youve never used before, how will you know which sides are from what coumpound? any of the pct will work, but you need to find some h.c.g.

 

[dabuffguy]

You aren't physically developed enough to merit the use of steroids. At 13% BF, that means you would weigh a lean 180lbs. At 6ft, that's not very big at all. You have plenty of room to grow and improve my good bro.


Proviron is not for PCT.


Dropping the deca resolves the gyno issue with nandrolones. You don't need deca for a first cycle. 250mg every 5 days of test E or test C is more than plenty of gear. More is not better when it comes to steroids. In fact, as little as possible while getting the added benefits is ideal. 10 week run. 12 is fine. Don't go longer than 12. you don't need to.

test enanthate or cypionate. It doesn't matter. Choose one and it will be a good choice either way. I use Test E.


Stay away from Mexico Gear. Go to Welcome to The Source Check-The Source Check and sign up. You will find everything and anything you could possible need or want to know about sources and where to get stuff safely.

OTC supplements are not okay for aas and anit-estrogens. Use arimidex. Welcome to The Source Check-The Source Check will also give you plenty of places to get arimidex.

 

[sweed]

just test enanthate at 300-500mgs / week. shot twice a week. don use deca with test forr yr first. you'll grow very nicely w/out it. If you get sides you won't know if it is from the test or deca. stick to you.
just don't start mentioning where you get your illegal sustances from or hinting you need sometime. proviron can be use during cycle. there are plenty of thread about pct. read the sticky at the top by Nelson.
GL!

 

[rockdoc]

Test E or C 250mg/wk for 12 weeks is all you need for a first cycle. Throw in some unleashed on-cycle and PP Test recovery stack for PCT and you're good to go. Have adex on-hand for any estrogenic sides. You can experiment with higher dosages and other compounds as you get more experienced. But, IMO, you need to learn how these things work one at a time first.

 

[blitzer_]

dabuffguy:

I completely agree that I can do more naturally. I've always been an extremely skinny guy, I weighed in around 171-174 right when I started to get into lifting. I've come a long way since then. The 13%BF is an estimate, probably on the high side.
It's been a real challenge to put mass on my frame. I've watched my strength increase dramatically in the past year but my physical size is the same and my weight only went up by a few pounds. That's what has enticed me to 'cheat'.

This isn't exactly my first cycle.

A friend of mine gave me some leftovers, amounted to 300mg test C for about 6 weeks and a 100mg nandro for 2 weeks in between. It was pretty exciting to peek over the top of a platou from just a small and short cycle like that.
I didn't have any safety meds, before I did it I did some research and assessed that I should be okay without them with such a small dose and I was correct. No bad side effects other than my girlfriend was sore all the time.

I think I noticed the effect the Deca had during that little short cycle, that combined with the minimal side effects is what made me pick a deca/test stack.

I'll cut it down to a max of 12 weeks, and defiantly check out "The Source Check".

Heath82: I'm not sure where you read a gram of test, the post says 600mg, which is .6g.

Sweed: If I hadn't mentioned I got it in mexico, buffguy wouldn't have known to tell me to beware of the gear there. There's nothing wrong with mentioning your source. Thanks for the pointer about Nelson's article.

 

[Heath82]

lets see here... 600mg test + 400mg deca= 1000mg=1g

 

[dabuffguy]

dabuffguy:

I completely agree that I can do more naturally. I've always been an extremely skinny guy, I weighed in around 171-174 right when I started to get into lifting. I've come a long way since then. The 13%BF is an estimate, probably on the high side.
It's been a real challenge to put mass on my frame. I've watched my strength increase dramatically in the past year but my physical size is the same and my weight only went up by a few pounds. That's what has enticed me to 'cheat'.

2 1/2 years ago I weighed 160 pounds, and I'm 6'2". I got to 190 pounds in 4 months naturally, and in another 3 months I weighed 200. Then I decided to take my first cycle. Even then, I should have waited another 6 months at very least and I regret not doing it. Putting on weight has everything to do with how much food you eat and I needed a lot more help in thie diet area when I started. I don't need to hear the old excuase "I'm a hard gainer, I can't put weight on". that's bullshit. It's an excuse. Steroids do not cover up excuses. If you can't eat big to get big, steoirds won't do it by magic.


I'm willing to bet I can help you tweak your diet and routine and get you to a leaner 200 pounds in 3 months. That's as good as steroids can do for you. Shoot me a PM and I will get some of the vets involved to help you out. Then, once we get you going on the right track for a while, only then will steroids be of any benefit to you. If you are doing the right things in the first place, steroids won't make the correction and a few months after you go off, your gains will have diminished.

I know your body type, I have one that is as bad or even worse for putting on mass and looking buff. I'll hlep you. PM me.

 

[blitzer_]

no excuses for shit here bro, pm'd you.

2 1/2 years ago I weighed 160 pounds, and I'm 6'2". I got to 190 pounds in 4 months naturally, and in another 3 months I weighed 200. Then I decided to take my first cycle. Even then, I should have waited another 6 months at very least and I regret not doing it. Putting on weight has everything to do with how much food you eat and I needed a lot more help in thie diet area when I started. I don't need to hear the old excuase "I'm a hard gainer, I can't put weight on". that's bullshit. It's an excuse. Steroids do not cover up excuses. If you can't eat big to get big, steoirds won't do it by magic.


I'm willing to bet I can help you tweak your diet and routine and get you to a leaner 200 pounds in 3 months. That's as good as steroids can do for you. Shoot me a PM and I will get some of the vets involved to help you out. Then, once we get you going on the right track for a while, only then will steroids be of any benefit to you. If you are doing the right things in the first place, steroids won't make the correction and a few months after you go off, your gains will have diminished.

I know your body type, I have one that is as bad or even worse for putting on mass and looking buff. I'll hlep you. PM me.

 

[sweed]

try out the Omega Project. I have just started it and it really is the best training I have done. It will help with hypertrophy to get some size. I havn't done AS in over 3 years. I am doing this training to help get back into the real focus of training and really consentrating on goals other than getting big right now. If that is your goal then it will work for you. Check it out!

 

[blitzer_]

I'll look into that... thanks!

try out the Omega Project. I have just started it and it really is the best training I have done. It will help with hypertrophy to get some size. I havn't done AS in over 3 years. I am doing this training to help get back into the real focus of training and really consentrating on goals other than getting big right now. If that is your goal then it will work for you. Check it out!

 

[dabuffguy]

I'll look into that... thanks!

check your PM here bro. didn't get your other one.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Dude, there is soemthing called "reaching your genetic potential" before your start aas.

Listen to what dabuffguy said, he knows his shit.

 

[dabuffguy]

Dude, there is soemthing called "reaching your genetic potential" before your start aas.

Listen to what dabuffguy said, he knows his shit.

I got him in some PM. We got to the roots of his problem for not making gains.

We got his diet sorted and his workout regimen much better placed.

He has been only eating at max 1g of protein per body weight. He was misinformed about eating high amounts of protein and general health. I got him set straight with meal ideas and preparations in bulk, and post workout dieting as well as eating high protein meals. I forgot to mention to him hydration, so I'm sure he'll read this here, lol. 1.5 gallons of water a day bro.

His training was 3 times a week full body every time. Now I have him doing chest/tris/shoulders one day, Back and deads another and legs his 3rd day. (he is a full time student working almost full time so he only has 3 days to fit in a workout) This will give him much more focus on each muscle and ample recovery time. I went into detail about muscle stimulation and necessary recovery. Gave him a basic workout schedule that he can work with and modify by himself as he chooses so that it fits him personally.

This schedule with his improved diet of 300 grams of protein daily will send him well on his way to making amazing gains the next 6 months. Much better than steroids ever could had he kept doing what he was doing. Then, we'll have a look at his progress every 4 weeks, see what's working for him, what's not working for him, and make adjustments from there each month.

In the next 6 months this guy will be getting big, solid and strong if he sticks to it.

 

[hurricane]

You aren't physically developed enough to merit the use of steroids. At 13% BF, that means you would weigh a lean 180lbs. At 6ft, that's not very big at all. You have plenty of room to grow and improve my good bro.


Proviron is not for PCT.


Dropping the deca resolves the gyno issue with nandrolones. You don't need deca for a first cycle. 250mg every 5 days of test E or test C is more than plenty of gear. More is not better when it comes to steroids. In fact, as little as possible while getting the added benefits is ideal. 10 week run. 12 is fine. Don't go longer than 12. you don't need to.

test enanthate or cypionate. It doesn't matter. Choose one and it will be a good choice either way. I use Test E.


Stay away from Mexico Gear. Go to Welcome to The Source Check-The Source Check and sign up. You will find everything and anything you could possible need or want to know about sources and where to get stuff safely.

OTC supplements are not okay for aas and anit-estrogens. Use arimidex. Welcome to The Source Check-The Source Check will also give you plenty of places to get arimidex.

solid advise right here .. with your limited training and young age 250mg of test is all u need for a 1st cycle and u will grow nice.. shyt u will still grow like a weed without gear with proper diet and good training schedule

 

[the_alcatraz]

Good bro material.

I got him in some PM. We got to the roots of his problem for not making gains.

We got his diet sorted and his workout regimen much better placed.

He has been only eating at max 1g of protein per body weight. He was misinformed about eating high amounts of protein and general health. I got him set straight with meal ideas and preparations in bulk, and post workout dieting as well as eating high protein meals. I forgot to mention to him hydration, so I'm sure he'll read this here, lol. 1.5 gallons of water a day bro.

His training was 3 times a week full body every time. Now I have him doing chest/tris/shoulders one day, Back and deads another and legs his 3rd day. (he is a full time student working almost full time so he only has 3 days to fit in a workout) This will give him much more focus on each muscle and ample recovery time. I went into detail about muscle stimulation and necessary recovery. Gave him a basic workout schedule that he can work with and modify by himself as he chooses so that it fits him personally.

This schedule with his improved diet of 300 grams of protein daily will send him well on his way to making amazing gains the next 6 months. Much better than steroids ever could had he kept doing what he was doing. Then, we'll have a look at his progress every 4 weeks, see what's working for him, what's not working for him, and make adjustments from there each month.

In the next 6 months this guy will be getting big, solid and strong if he sticks to it.

 

[blitzer_]

Thanks to all of you, esp. dabuffguy.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right. I'll just stick all my gear in the fridge and forget about it for a while....

Now the problem is....... how am I going to con my local Restaurant Supply warehouse into letting me purchase bulk food there without actually owning my own restaurant. I think it's time for my very first DBA.


And not that I don't believe dabuffguy..... But I'll be damned if I haven't read over and over again that when you hit the gym do a full body workout. I think even Men's Health, which I consider one of the more reputable...er...men's health magazines....ran an article about how body-part focused days is dead and everybody does it all in one day. What's the deal with that?

-rp

 

[the_alcatraz]

Thanks to all of you, esp. dabuffguy.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right. I'll just stick all my gear in the fridge and forget about it for a while....

Now the problem is....... how am I going to con my local Restaurant Supply warehouse into letting me purchase bulk food there without actually owning my own restaurant. I think it's time for my very first DBA.


And not that I don't believe dabuffguy..... But I'll be damned if I haven't read over and over again that when you hit the gym do a full body workout. I think even Men's Health, which I consider one of the more reputable...er...men's health magazines....ran an article about how body-part focused days is dead and everybody does it all in one day. What's the deal with that?

-rp

let me let you in on a little secret: don't believe eveything you read in a magazine

 

[fayd]

I read that article, too. It was quite convincing with a lot of scientific documentation included.