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jmead said:
Sorry about that bro. Not my area though. If I could help, I would. They probably sent the order in but it didn't go out for some reason. Still, no excuse, you should let them know. At any rate, they're good people and will correct any problem.
Hope you like the products. (When it comes)
Let us know.
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Anthony Roberts
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chilledandy said:
Theoretically, you could do all of that. Although, I don't see how it's relevant to what I did. I took a study, made a totally unique, never-before-seen supplement with it, somebody did some bloodwork, it raised their test by tons, and there's literally been hundreds of satisfied customers now.
And...if you go to BB.com, there's about half a dozen nutritional companies copying my idea now.
Nelson had is right...both he and I are (at least) recognized in the industry...in fact, I believe that one of the ingredients in Unleased (which Nelson was the first to come out with) is the primary ingredient in ActivaTe and Halodrol 50. So..there's innovators and....everyone else. I know which he and I are...and I know which the former sponsors are.
Big Rick Rock
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I think the time to actually doubt the product has come and gone. There are hundreds of satisfied customers and as many reviews posted all over the net. The customer feedback is absolute.
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Nathan
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I don't think anything OTC will ever come close to what gear can do but I think there are supplements than certainly contribute to faster gains and recovery. I have been trying MyoGenX and have noticed larger nuts and fuller loads. I don't feel like I am staying quite as sore after workouts for as long either.
It's hard to quantify the effects of a lot of supplements. Say you take a supplement for a period of 3 months and would, without it, have gained 3 lbs of muscle. With the supplement, however, you gained 3.5lbs. Anecdotal evidence is always going to be all over the place (except with products as potent as steroids) - some people are ecstatic to be gaining muscle at all whereas others have much higher expectations.
Take creatine for example. I take it for a few months and am not really sure if it affected my gains - though mostly my gains aren't substantial in that time anyways, which is what makes it hard to tell. Studies have looked at the effects of creatine and the results are pretty heavily in favor of creatine being beneficial for muscle repair, though apart from the initial water retention it usually causes, I can't definitively tell it sped my recovery up at all. I think comparing supplements to global warming makes some sense. It's a subtle shift and one you have to watch intently for often extended periods of time to get the real answer.
It's hard to quantify the effects of a lot of supplements. Say you take a supplement for a period of 3 months and would, without it, have gained 3 lbs of muscle. With the supplement, however, you gained 3.5lbs. Anecdotal evidence is always going to be all over the place (except with products as potent as steroids) - some people are ecstatic to be gaining muscle at all whereas others have much higher expectations.
Take creatine for example. I take it for a few months and am not really sure if it affected my gains - though mostly my gains aren't substantial in that time anyways, which is what makes it hard to tell. Studies have looked at the effects of creatine and the results are pretty heavily in favor of creatine being beneficial for muscle repair, though apart from the initial water retention it usually causes, I can't definitively tell it sped my recovery up at all. I think comparing supplements to global warming makes some sense. It's a subtle shift and one you have to watch intently for often extended periods of time to get the real answer.
Nathan said:
Good post.
In all fairness, progress from legit supps can be substantial but there are many factors at play, whereas with gear, you can be kinda sloppy and not train all that well and still see some difference. I doubt supps will ever match the visable effectiveness of gear but they insure health they can give you an extra 5% on or off gear. But as Nathan said, it's tough to gauge that little extra. That doesn't mean it isn't there.
It's just like those last few reps. How much did they help? No one knows. But when you do them, progress just seems to be better.
BIGMIke007
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Anthony Roberts said:
STUDY
Click on the link above to see the study Anthony is talking about. This is the only study i could find on the herbal extract. Now being a scientist myself im still not convinced, just because there is a study showing elevated test in rats does not mean the extract will have similar effects in humans. Im not convinced and i hate the supplement industry - in 2 years time no one would know about this herb and there will be some new herb which the Bushman tribe used to enable them to catapult bricks with their erect penis'
Big Rick Rock
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BIGMIke007 said:
Skepticism is a good thing... Always!
In this case though...
There are hundreds of very good customer reviews on this product. The reviews are not all confined to one forum where AR might have some friends. The stuff has been talked about internet wide... Even on some forums where AR is not liked, customers are still coming in with good reports there...
As a customer, being faced with a product that has received hundreds of good reviews through out the internet AND being guaranteed a 100% refund if I wasn't totally happy with the results of the product... I don't think there is much to think about or much skepticism left in me to keep me from giving it a try.
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Anthony Roberts
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BIGMIke007 said:
Have you seen the bloodwork posted here on EF about the product?
