New Testosterone Booster from me & Protein Factory

[Anthony Roberts]

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829


It's called MyoGenX, and contains an ingredient which has never been released in any supplement before, called Fadogia Aggrestis. Recently, a study published in the Asian Journal of Andrology examined Fadogia Agrestis, and determines that it works by increasing Testosterone levels. But, unlike anabolic steroids, Fadogia Agrestis won’t provide an unnatural boost in testosterone level. Fadogia Aggrestis will elevate Luteinizing Hormone (LH), which will then cause Testosterone levels to rise. At a dose of 18mgs/kg were shown to provide a 200% increase in Testosterone! The dose provided in the suggested daily serving of MyoGenX will provide exactly the amount of Fadogia Agrestis used to increase testosterone by 200%.*

I also included Zinc and Vitamin E in this formula because both of them are both necessary as well as sufficient to elevate testosterone levels.

I had been approached before by supplement companies to help with designing some supplements, and kind of hesitated because I really had nothing new to bring to the market. I didn't want to just throw some shit everyone already heard of into a supplement and throw my name on it to help it sell. I think that's kind of a bullshit move, and would really just be trying to cash in on my name to make a buck. I have too many good people around me, and too many legitimate avenues for income to bother with something like that.

Anyway, then I found out about this herb from Nigeria which was being used to treat erectile dysfunction....so I did some research on the herb, and it was shown (in a published, peer-reviewed study) to fight Erectile Dysfunction by elevating LH levels, which in turn elevated testosterone levels. The dose needed to elevate testosterone levels 200% is 18mgs/kg/day, and the dose needed for the 600% increase is 100mg/kg/day.

So that's when I got in touch with Protein Factory, through EliteFitness.

Anyway, MyogenX contains that herb, and 3-4 caps per day will give you the 200% increase. There's also a vitamin and a mineral in the formula, which will both help to increase testosterone levels as well (so it's got a 3-pronged attack, I suppose, on Test levels: an Herb, a vitamin, and a mineral).

Just thought I'd update the members here on my new product, and what I've been up to for the last few months.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

My bottle is in the mail!






-BRR

 

[slat1]

Damn. I could have used this the last year or so of my life. I was hanging right around 302 ng/dl.
Sounds like a great product.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Damn. I could have used this the last year or so of my life. I was hanging right around 302 ng/dl.
Sounds like a great product.

What happened to your Plat bro?

I just gave you until new year.



-BRR

 

[drrman]

How do you think this would stack with say dblade?

 

[mikefear]

AR, any evidence that the same takes place in humans? Have there been any human trials?

Effects of using 100 mg/kg daily? which for me would be about 8.5g.. ?

 

[al420]

So would it increase Test enought to warrant PCT if use is discontinued?

 

[drrman]

So would it increase Test enought to warrant PCT if use is discontinued?

bro, if it shut you down that would make it a steroid and we both know its not a steroid man. just another test "booster" there are 100's of them on the market

 

[al420]

What if someone took them all? lol

 

[drrman]

What if someone took them all? lol

then they would be broke and disappointed

 

[Big Rick Rock]

How do you think this would stack with say dblade?

By reading the description, it sounds like it would be great for PCT coming off D-blade.




-BRR

 

[Anthony Roberts]

AR, any evidence that the same takes place in humans? Have there been any human trials?

Effects of using 100 mg/kg daily? which for me would be about 8.5g.. ?

No human trials. It's been used for literally hundreds of years in Nigeria to help with Erectile Dysfunction, and the rodent studies were used to figure out exactly how it does that.

So it turns out that it's via elevation of testosterone...

 

[Anthony Roberts]

So would it increase Test enought to warrant PCT if use is discontinued?

It increases testosterone substantially, but because it does this by elevating natural levels, no PCT is necessary. Actually, it can be used while on PCT to help elevate test levels.

 

[treneriffic]

So would it increase Test enought to warrant PCT if use is discontinued?

All these testosterone boosters, which are a complete waste of money(unless you use them for a little boost in libido), do not shut you down. They will slightly increase your natural production of testosterone. pct is not needed since your balls are working at full steam.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

All these testosterone boosters, which are a complete waste of money(unless you use them for a little boost in libido), do not shut you down. They will slightly increase your natural production of testosterone. pct is not needed since your balls are working at full steam.

I disagree with the statement that all testosterone boosters are a waste of money. Tribulus, for example, is a waste of money, but something like this, which will actually work is very worthwhile.

 

[drrman]

I disagree with the statement that all testosterone boosters are a waste of money. Tribulus, for example, is a waste of money, but something like this, which will actually work is very worthwhile.

who says this works besides you??

so do you know something all these other supplement companies who spend millions of dollars per year don't know?

can you post some studies or scientifical evidence to show it works in humans and not just rats?

Not trying to be a dick, but would like to see more anecdotal evidence backing these claims. I mean a 200% increase naturally?? kind of hard to believe on someones word alone

 

[drrman]

By reading the description, it sounds like it would be great for PCT coming off D-blade.




-BRR

LOL, i was thinking the exact same thing BRR!!!

 

[Stryker1992]

Bro, if you want to send me a bottle for free I will try it and report results here! Seriously, otherwise I am a bit skeptical

 

[njmuscleguy]

Someone whom I deem trustworthy recommended to me a while back a product called "Restore" by A.L. Rhea's company ALRI... AR, are you familiar with that product? If so, are the two similar?

 

[MorganKane]

I disagree with the statement that all testosterone boosters are a waste of money. Tribulus, for example, is a waste of money, but something like this, which will actually work is very worthwhile.

How do you know?
You have not even tested it out yourself.

 

[IFIWAS]

Are you shittin me?

Better than AAS....sign me up for 10

 

[IFIWAS]

I disagree with the statement that all testosterone boosters are a waste of money. Tribulus, for example, is a waste of money, but something like this, which will actually work is very worthwhile.

LMFAO.....if you can get someone to let you market their Tribulus, then I bet it too would be a wonder pill.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Hey AR maybe would be good for your product if you sacrifice 5-10 bottles and give them to 5-10 members so they can try them and post results.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Hey AR maybe would be good for your product if you sacrifice 5-10 bottles and give them to 5-10 members so they can try them and post results.

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

 

[medical]

As someone who can do weekly (daily for that matter) bloodwork and is 2 weeks from PCT I would be willing to be a test subject.........I would bet there are no takers on that offer, though.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

unreal....

 

[Stryker1992]

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

I am willing so lets go!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I am willing so lets go!

I'll contact PF and set something up with you guys...





-BRR

 

[AncillaryGuys]

I will be buying a bottle to try for sure

 

[Stryker1992]

I'll contact PF and set something up with you guys...

-BRR

You know where to find me!

 

[black sheep]

I feel like i am reading a Muscle Fitness magazine

 

[Cutt29]

I feel like i am reading a Muscle Fitness magazine

yep

 

[nisser512]

Can you post the 2 publications you alluded to in your post please? date, issue and authors please.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Study on the Primary inredient in MyoGenX

For anyone interested, here's a study on the primary ingredient in MyoGenX.

 

[gettinripped]

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

BRR, I'm off now. been a little "crashed" per say for the last 2 weeks. just finished up PCT and getting ready for bloodwork. WOuld be willing to get more bloodwork after trying it out.

gr

 

[SFArugger]

Ill wait to hear from someone who isnt pushing a product.....

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Ill wait to hear from someone who isnt pushing a product.....

Hopefully there'll be a decent amount of feedback once the stuff is in people's hands, and they are able to incorporate it into their programs.

Right now, however, the only people you'll realistically be able to hear about it from is the people selling it...because nobody knew about it before we brought it to the market. It's a totally new compound.

 

[medrep]

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

I'm in PCT 2nd week clomid after a short 500/wk test 50mg/pd winny. Send me some and I'll get my labs

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm just about to start my PCT ... and I ALWAYS crash during / after every PCT.... just haven't had any luck.... be more than willing to be a test subject!

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

 

[njmuscleguy]

also curious as to the safety of the product...and side effects?

 

[patsfan1379]

how long till the supplement comes out and I can just buy the active ingredient at walmart?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

how long till the supplement comes out and I can just buy the active ingredient at walmart?

The supplement is already out...and since it's the first time the main ingredient has ever been produced as any kind of supplement, you can't get it anywhere except in the Protein Factory version of it.

There'll be copy-cats soon enough, I'm sure. Some companies have made their entire buisness around copying other nutritional companies products....

 

[bbkingpin]

This would be a good idea if guys posted their before and after blood work....


Anybody off/crashing right now???

I am actively trying to restore hpta to normal levels.

 

[scaldy]

Looking forward to give this a go.

 

[njmuscleguy]

AR: So what about any side effects?

Also, if this stuff truly raises natural test levels significantly, you're confident that it wouldn't suppress the body's natural test-production process along with related chemicals (LH, FSH)?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

AR: So what about any side effects?

Also, if this stuff truly raises natural test levels significantly, you're confident that it wouldn't suppress the body's natural test-production process along with related chemicals (LH, FSH)?

The side effects will be the same as any side effects you get from havin testosterone levels doubled (naturally). Also, I'm sure it won't suppress the body's natural test production, because it works by elevating LH, which in turn elevates testosterone (i.e. it works via elevatin test levels naturally).

 

[njmuscleguy]

So is there a need to run an AI along with this product?

The side effects will be the same as any side effects you get from havin testosterone levels doubled (naturally). Also, I'm sure it won't suppress the body's natural test production, because it works by elevating LH, which in turn elevates testosterone (i.e. it works via elevatin test levels naturally).

 

[Anthony Roberts]

So is there a need to run an AI along with this product?

That will be different for everybody. Personally, I'd try it without an AI first, then add one in if necessary.

 

[solidspine]

Tony

Sounds wonderful, and I am looking forward to trying MyoGenX,



But if it increases my testosterone, and gives me a 24 hour boner,

Who do I call to bail me out of jail?



Sounds dangerous, but fun

 

[patsfan1379]

where can you buy this substance.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

http://proteinfactory.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=829

 

[lanky]

anthony..have you tried your product?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

anthony..have you tried your product?

Nope.

 

[njmuscleguy]

wow, that's going to get you ALOT of heat bro.... people are gonna think how you can back a product that you yourself haven't even used? I personally wouldn't recommend anything without trying it first

 

[Anthony Roberts]

wow, that's going to get you ALOT of heat bro.... people are gonna think how you can back a product that you yourself haven't even used? I personally wouldn't recommend anything without trying it first

It's the truth. I haven't tried it yet. But honestly, I know that the ingredients in it work, from the research I've done on it (I've even spoken to the scientist who performed the study on the primary ingredient). My endorsement as a researcher is worth a certain amount, but my endorsement as someone who's tried the product is worth considerably less. I can say that I invested all of my efforts in research and development, and that carries weight to it, but me saying "I tried it and it works" carrys very little weight. People will say "Of course you'd say that..." So I'm probably not even going to bother giving feedback on it. I'm content to wait for the average customer to give their report on it...I'm just trying it for my own intellectual curiousity.

I have a bottle on the way, just like the rest of you guys, but I haven't received it yet.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Sounds dangerous, but fun

Like fucking a stripper without a condom. Actually, that was my idea for a logo on the bottle:

"MyoGenX- Danerous but fun...like fucking a stripper without a condom!"

 

[triceptor]

If you want to listen to the actual interview that started the interest in Fadogia Agrestis you can click the link below. Dr. Toyin Yakubu from the University of Ilorin in Ilorin Nigeria the author of the peer-reviewed study was on the March 18th episode of Super Human Radio. He discusses the science behind its testosterone boosting effects.

He's on the second half of the show. The first half was on Methyl B-12 so you may want to fast forward a bit. I was waiting patiently to see if a supplement company would pick up on the interview. I'm glad Anthony did.

I just wanted people to know that the Super Human Radio show is about cutting edge topics related to human performance and physical culture. I broke the news on this botanical.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/media/SHR_Show_03182006_20Kbps.wma

 

[Anthony Roberts]

If you want to listen to the actual interview that started the interest in Fadogia Agrestis you can click the link below. Dr. Toyin Yakubu from the University of Ilorin in Ilorin Nigeria the author of the peer-reviewed study was on the March 18th episode of Super Human Radio. He discusses the science behind its testosterone boosting effects.

He's on the second half of the show. The first half was on Methyl B-12 so you may want to fast forward a bit. I was waiting patiently to see if a supplement company would pick up on the interview. I'm glad Anthony did.

I just wanted people to know that the Super Human Radio show is about cutting edge topics related to human performance and physical culture. I broke the news on this botanical.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/media/SHR_Show_03182006_20Kbps.wma

This is exactly where I heard about Fadogia (the primary inredient in MyoGenX) first! I'm an avid listener of SuperHumanRadio, and as soon as I heard a scientist talking about this herb that had never been produced before, I started researching it and even contacted both the host of the show (Carl) as well as the scientist who conducted the study. SuperHumanRadio is really cutting edge stuff, and I'm glad that I listen to it, because I'd never have started my research into this herb if the show didn't talk about it.

I think that if you guys click on that link and listen to the scientist who studied this herb, you'll have no doubt that it works.

 

[Knights2]

i might have to give this shit a try

 

[justinjones1963]

I decided to get some.

I started a thread to post my results:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517702

 

[bbkingpin]

Re: Study on the Primary inredient in MyoGenX

For anyone interested, here's a study on the primary ingredient in MyoGenX.

How about paragraph 2.2 of this study where the plant that was obtained at a market in Nigeria was verified as the same by the Dept. of Horticulture in Nigeria.
How do we know that Protein Factory has verified that it's product contains the specific plant used in the study? Does someone from Protein factory fly to Nigeria to buy the plant? Is there a market in Nigeria that sells the plant overseas? And if so, once received, how is it verified that the plant in the extract is Fadogia agrestis? Otherwise, I'll try fadogia agrestis but how does Protein Factory ensure the are obtaining hte same plant used in the study?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Re: Study on the Primary inredient in MyoGenX

How about paragraph 2.2 of this study where the plant that was obtained at a market in Nigeria was verified as the same by the Dept. of Horticulture in Nigeria.
How do we know that Protein Factory has verified that it's product contains the specific plant used in the study? Does someone from Protein factory fly to Nigeria to buy the plant? Is there a market in Nigeria that sells the plant overseas? And if so, once received, how is it verified that the plant in the extract is Fadogia agrestis? Otherwise, I'll try fadogia agrestis but how does Protein Factory ensure the are obtaining hte same plant used in the study?

These are all good questions. I'm not involved in the actual production of the product (i.e. I'm not the one in the factory making capsules and putting them in bottles). I would assume Protein Factory used the same (high) quality control standrds in producing my product as they have in producing anything else in their extensive line.

You may want to contact them directly:

[email protected]

...to ask what kind of quality control measures they have in place.

I'm involved in the research side of things, but not the actual production, so I'm not going to be of much help there.

 

[triceptor]

to patsfan1379 who posteed the little bomb under my screen name - "no one likes a shill". It would be fair to consider me a shill had I (a) not done a show on the stuff months before anyone had introduced it a supplement with it, and (b) if I made money for the sale of the product. I don't make a penny from the sale of MyoGenX. I don't have any interest in ANY supplements. My only interst is to promote the Super Human Radio show as a platform for human performance and physical culture.

 

[shivastool]

I decided to get some.

I started a thread to post my results:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517702

Now THAT is soemthing I will listen too!

 

[moonshine420]

i just finished my pct and im lookin for somethin to get my balls back to there normal size..do u think this product will be able to do it?

 

[Cutt29]

i just finished my pct and im lookin for somethin to get my balls back to there normal size..do u think this product will be able to do it?

you should have used HCG-then your balls would be back to their normal size

 

[Anthony Roberts]

i just finished my pct and im lookin for somethin to get my balls back to there normal size..do u think this product will be able to do it?

I'm certain that it will help you in that area.

 

[rykertest]

AR, why do you keep deleting my posts? Is your product and/or ego so fragile that it can't handle any views other than your own or raving support?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

AR, why do you keep deleting my posts? Is your product and/or ego so fragile that it can't handle any views other than your own or raving support?

Check your Karma. I deleted them.





-BRR

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Check your Karma. I deleted them.





-BRR

Actually, once he started accusing me of deleting them (when I didn't), then I started doing it....

Hell, if I'm going to be accused of something I didn't do, I might as well start doing it!

 

[toc67guru]

could overdosing of MYOGENX say 100mg/kg/day desensitize the leydig cells by over stimulation similar to excessive doses of hcg?

if so is it possible for the leydig cells to regenerate/upregulate or once damaged is it irreversible?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

could overdosing of MYOGENX say 100mg/kg/day desensitize the leydig cells by over stimulation similar to excessive doses of hcg?

if so is it possible for the leydig cells to regenerate/upregulate or once damaged is it irreversible?

No. HCG is totally different.

If you're on a cycle, I think that MyoGenX is actually a better choice than HCG. HCG mimics LH, to "trick" the body into increasing testosterone...MyoGenX actually raises LH levels, causing a natural increase in Testosterone levels.

 

[Carlito B]

who says this works besides you??

so do you know something all these other supplement companies who spend millions of dollars per year don't know?

can you post some studies or scientifical evidence to show it works in humans and not just rats?

Not trying to be a dick, but would like to see more anecdotal evidence backing these claims. I mean a 200% increase naturally?? kind of hard to believe on someones word alone

I do, tribulus is useless unless using 10,000mgs daily if not more, Long Jack is effective too same as Maca but this herb Fadogia Agrestis does work via a different mechanisn than the ones mentioned above.

If there is no human studies to prove its efficacy yet then I am sure people who try it will post their results soon, I will be trying it son after I finish my current cycle.

Is good to be skeptical but is also good to be open minded, not only millions of dollars of research can provide a good product , a good brain and drive can do as well

C

 

[Cutt29]

i didnt get any presesnts this year...santa was so jacked up from the myogenex he couldnt fit down the godamn chimney!!

 

[al420]

Actually, once he started accusing me of deleting them (when I didn't), then I started doing it....

Hell, if I'm going to be accused of something I didn't do, I might as well start doing it!

AR gives me free MYOGENX

 

[jagerbombme]

im crashed and have low test. i'll give lab results and unbiased opinions. send me some, everybody here knows im not affiliated to anybody. i avoid even speaking the name of my lab i use. hook a brother up, if this shit works that'd be titties

 

[J Freeze]

If this product is really that good, couldn't one stop TRT for example, and rely soly on this product to boost their test levels? If Myogenx can double/triple natural test levels it would be comparable to TRT dosages....seems it would be an easier/safer/natural alternative IF it works THAT good...
not saying that it doesn't, but a case study making a direct comparison would tell all.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If this product is really that good, couldn't one stop TRT for example, and rely soly on this product to boost their test levels? If Myogenx can double/triple natural test levels it would be comparable to TRT dosages....seems it would be an easier/safer/natural alternative IF it works THAT good...
not saying that it doesn't, but a case study making a direct comparison would tell all.

If test levels are too low, it won't be enough. In other words...

Let's say your total T is 200 and your free T is 40. You take the MyogenX/Unleashed stack and your total T goes close to 400 and your free T is 80. Even though the numbers have DOUBLED, it won't be that high.

But now imagine that while on a cycle where total T is 2000 and free T is 200. Suddenly, a doubling -- even a 20% increase -- will make a TREMENDOUS difference.

For a young guy with naturally high T, using Myogenx/Unleashed will essentially work like a light cycle.

 

[J Freeze]

If test levels are too low, it won't be enough. In other words...

Let's say your total T is 200 and your free T is 40. You take the MyogenX/Unleashed stack and your total T goes close to 400 and your free T is 80. Even though the numbers have DOUBLED, it won't be that high.

But now imagine that while on a cycle where total T is 2000 and free T is 200. Suddenly, a doubling -- even a 20% increase -- will make a TREMENDOUS difference.

For a young guy with naturally high T, using Myogenx/Unleashed will essentially work like a light cycle.

Thanks for the clarification...a young guy with high T would benefit most....I'm older....42 year old male with low normal values around 350 or so, but since I do function "normally" I've chosen do real cycles once in a while and take natural test boosters when clean then live on low dose TRT for the rest of my life, but thats just me. What can *I* expect from these products?
Thanks

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Thanks for the clarification...a young guy with high T would benefit most....I'm older....42 year old male with low normal values around 350 or so, but since I do function "normally" I've chosen do real cycles once in a while and take natural test boosters when clean then live on low dose TRT for the rest of my life, but thats just me. What can *I* expect from these products?
Thanks

I think it's likely that if you choose to do Myo/Unleashed during your off-cycle time, you'll recover from the cycle more quickly, and probably even still feel like you are on a light cycle. That's not bullshit either, or something I made up...it's based on users telling me exactly that publicly on different forums.

 

[J Freeze]

I think it's likely that if you choose to do Myo/Unleashed during your off-cycle time, you'll recover from the cycle more quickly, and probably even still feel like you are on a light cycle. That's not bullshit either, or something I made up...it's based on users telling me exactly that publicly on different forums.

so better recovery and a high test boost..even for a guy like me whos approaching middle age with 350 T normally....if I can double that I can ask for nothing more. I'll pick up some next month.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

so better recovery and a high test boost..even for a guy like me whos approaching middle age with 350 T normally....if I can double that I can ask for nothing more. I'll pick up some next month.

Give it an honest shot...I really, really think you are going to be very impressed with Myo/Unleashed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If this product is really that good, couldn't one stop TRT for example, and rely soly on this product to boost their test levels? If Myogenx can double/triple natural test levels it would be comparable to TRT dosages....seems it would be an easier/safer/natural alternative IF it works THAT good...
not saying that it doesn't, but a case study making a direct comparison would tell all.

Anthony's correct, older guys can use more help and increasing LH and free T can make a big difference. I'm on HRT and use it regularly. Incidentally, my last blood test just came back and my "free T" is the highest it's been -- 2.51 . Not bad considered it was down around 80 before starting with Unleashed -- and that was with a total T of over 800!

 

[jagerbombme]

Anthony's correct, older guys can use more help and increasing LH and free T can make a big difference. I'm on HRT and use it regularly. Incidentally, my last blood test just came back and my "free T" is the highest it's been -- 2.51 . Not bad considered it was down around 80 before starting with Unleashed -- and that was with a total T of over 800!

...............sigh

 

[Nelson Montana]

...............sigh

I know, you think that's a plug, sorry -- but actually I was using the ingredients seperately before even having a product out. Because it worked so well is one reason I put together the formula. Everyone who's had blood work done concurs. Free test is increased. Mine has fluctuated slightly over the years so it's nice to see an increase -- especially since it gets less likely as we age.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

...............sigh

Just because myself, Nelson, PP, etc...make money off products doesn't mean that they aren't good, or that we wouldn't reccomend them if they were somebody elses. I reccomend ALRI Venom 3.0 all the time and make no money from it. I just happen to know more, and have more confidence, in my own products, and reccomend them more frequently as a result. Same goes for Nelson and the other sponsors here.

 

[jagerbombme]

lmao. the only sponsors that "were" here that imo were worth a crap are gone. they were authentic and participated in thousands of threads "unrelated" to they're products. nelsons views and theories go against every grain i've read about over the past year. since you brought it up, im sticking with what i know.

 

[Nelson Montana]

lmao. the only sponsors that "were" here that imo were worth a crap are gone. they were authentic and participated in thousands of threads "unrelated" to they're products. nelsons views and theories go against every grain i've read about over the past year. since you brought it up, im sticking with what i know.

Well, you obviously have a lot to learn.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

lmao. the only sponsors that "were" here that imo were worth a crap are gone. they were authentic and participated in thousands of threads "unrelated" to they're products. nelsons views and theories go against every grain i've read about over the past year. since you brought it up, im sticking with what i know.

I think a lot of sponsors here have been good. Some weren't.

 

[jmead]

whats your definition of a good sponsor? thats where most people have different views.

 

[jagerbombme]

ones here helping people with their questions with other intentions than selling products, they are actually trying to help people also with knowledge hadned down to them or learned through experience.

 

[jmead]

i do admit i have seen nelson and anthony give out some solid info and it has been beneficial to the site to have frequent posts from the more knowledgable guys, the info they give out sometimes is just information and NOT to plug a product, but more times than not by the end of the thread they got at least one in haha.. its a business just like anything else.. you have to advertise.. i dont blame them, dont mean its not annoying

 

[OMEGA]

there is way to much good feedback on this product on some of the other boards,
which leads me to believe there is something significant to MyoGenX.

G-covery when it first came out was considere typical glutamin which is frowed upon. PEOPLE could not understand how it worked so well, and chalked it up to being just "hype" , "Ignorance", or a "fluke".

Well there was "something to it we discovered, something on a scientific level which is VERY important. Much like a "discovery" if you will.


And no we are not telling

 

[chilledandy]

How can you claim Tribulus is shite and big up this new "wonder" herb when all you have is one study on rats and some anacdotal evidence about how "tribes people from Africa or some shit have been using it for years"! Thats exactly the same kind of statement used to plug every herb on the market including Tribulus - at least with Tribulus there are some real world reports about its effects in a bodybuilding environment on forums similar to this. Pot calling the kettle black don't you think?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Not really. Several studies exist showing that Tribulus does nothing to elevate testosterone. Also, we have bloodwork from a user (unaffiliated with the company)...I haven't ever seen a Trib user post bloodwork anywhere which shows a test elevation from Trib alone.

 

[chilledandy]

So? I'm not advocating Trib use, I'm merely pointing out the blatant marketing bullshit people like you use to sell herbs! Its always the same story and the same line "as used by tribes people for 100's of years" etc....
Tribulus use is common among natty bodybuilders and hobby body builders and so is their reports, good and bad, on its use, you have nothing to really base the claims of this new "wonder herb" on at all really. Where's these lab results, where is the impartial evidence, anacdotal or even better, scientific. Their is none.
Anyone could do what your doing here. Hell, I could go and pull a random herb out of the ground from Botswana and give put in some caps. All I need now is a fancy name, lets say, MyoTest Extreme Mega X Superduper Formula. Now all I need is a background story, here goes ... "been used by the Botswana nickampoop tribe for centuries to help increase brute fighting force to stave off attacks from neighbouring tribes" and bingo, I have exactly what you have. Except mine has a better name.
Oh yes, I also have 2 people with blood work done (not affiliated by the way).
Wheres my proof? Oh yeah right, I have none, I just pulled it out my ass, but hey, it doesn't matter, its to be sold in an unlicensed and unregulated industry.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So? I'm not advocating Trib use, I'm merely pointing out the blatant marketing bullshit people like you use to sell herbs! Its always the same story and the same line "as used by tribes people for 100's of years" etc....
Tribulus use is common among natty bodybuilders and hobby body builders and so is their reports, good and bad, on its use, you have nothing to really base the claims of this new "wonder herb" on at all really. Where's these lab results, where is the impartial evidence, anacdotal or even better, scientific. Their is none.
Anyone could do what your doing here. Hell, I could go and pull a random herb out of the ground from Botswana and give put in some caps. All I need now is a fancy name, lets say, MyoTest Extreme Mega X Superduper Formula. Now all I need is a background story, here goes ... "been used by the Botswana nickampoop tribe for centuries to help increase brute fighting force to stave off attacks from neighbouring tribes" and bingo, I have exactly what you have. Except mine has a better name.
Oh yes, I also have 2 people with blood work done (not affiliated by the way).
Wheres my proof? Oh yeah right, I have none, I just pulled it out my ass, but hey, it doesn't matter, its to be sold in an unlicensed and unregulated industry.

Number one: Does EQ work? because I don;t believe there's a single study done with it on humans.

Number two: The old sponsers had real experience in what? Taking a lot of gear and looking like nothing? That's what is meaningful to you?

Number three: They did plenty of pushing of products.

Meanwhile, 90% of the posts by Anthony and myself are providing helpful information without product placement. And both Anthony and my work is actually recognized within the industry, not just by a little clique malcontents on a message board who can't let go of the past.

So stop whinning already.

 

[chilledandy]

What?
Where have i mentioned EQ?
What does EQ have to do with anything to do with this herb?
Where did i mention old sponsors?
Again... What?

Number one: Does EQ work? because I don;t believe there's a single study done with it on humans.

Number two: The old sponsers had real experience in what? Taking a lot of gear and looking like nothing? That's what is meaningful to you?

Number three: They did plenty of pushing of products.

Meanwhile, 90% of the posts by Anthony and myself are providing helpful information without product placement. And both Anthony and my work is actually recognized within the industry, not just by a little clique malcontents on a message board who can't let go of the past.

So stop whinning already.

 

[jmead]

What?
Where have i mentioned EQ?
What does EQ have to do with anything to do with this herb?
Where did i mention old sponsors?
Again... What?

im kinda confused also

nelson why do you feel a need to dog on the old sponsers physique everytime hes mentioned, do you have any pics posted up? i dont see how thats relevant to this conversation in the first place..

i think this argument has been brought up numerous times and it keeps being mentioned?!

im lost, whats new

 

[pentatonic]

Wow, funny to see this thread here about 5 months after what all happened. Funny how there's pages and pages of missing posts. What happened to all those posts Anthony?