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new guy respectfully asking for mma/crossfit cycle help

gringofeo36

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here is little of my background so you experts ,if you are willing, can give a more educated, accurate response.
through my 30's i spent in the military and competing in bjj and mma competitions. which i did without any gear. when i hit 40 years old, nature was taking it's course as well as some injuries through sports and military life and i was going down hill fast. always thinking of myself as a hard charger, i just didn't want to accept that. i went to see an anti aging specialist. for the last two years, i have been prescribed bio identical (whatever that means) testosterone cream, as well as .4mg of hgh ED. the test cream on the bottle says that it is 200mg but i am not sure how that converts to real anabolic test in mg? I take 4 clicks of the tube of test in the morning and night. The hgh from what i read on this forum is converted from mg to iu by * by 3. so i guess i have been taking 1.2IU of hgh per day. I have had some small increases for strength and energy, but for the cost (almost $2500/month), I am not sure it is worth it.
recently i opened a mma./fitness gym.. I am not competing in MMA or crossfit competition, so taking anabolics i don't consider as cheating. the main reason i am interested in taking something more is so that i can help push my students a little more both on the mat and in the weight room, as well as try and grapple with as many students as i can for as long as i can. My gym is small and new now. So i double as a training partner as well as instructor. right now with my injuries and age (43), i am done after 3or 4-5min rounds. of course vainly, i would like to look better and feel better too.
now to the main questions. sorry about the long background
here are my stats
43 yrs old
6'1 195lbs
approx 10% bf

here is what i am thinking of doing and where i need your advice
500mg of test Ethanate/week for 10 weeks (as well as continuing the bio identical test ED)
increasing the hgh from 1.2IU to 3.6IU ED for 3 months
50mg proviron ED for 10 weeks

Now i have done a lot of research on this site before posting these questions. I understand a lot of people say for mma take anavar, EQ, primo, etc...because it keeps the weight down, doesn't give you the pump, increases strength,etc....
but unless a doctor somewhere can prescribe these too me, i am not in the "in" or "know crowd" of have any idea where i can get these designer things from a trusted site. like i said i am new to this game. also my concern is getting too heavy because most of my fighters are under 200lbs.most are between 160-180. I want to be light enough to so they can have legit training partner. i was thinking the proviron would keep the water weight down. However, i am a little concerned with the proviron for mma because i heard it makes your muscles hard to the point of inflexible. Which I would think would lead to injuries on submission attempts more than normal. What do you guys think? I think the hgh at 1.2IU was not doing anything. so i was hoping by increasing to 3.6IU it would help lose some fat and help with recovery of injury.
basically i want to know if you think this type of cycle is reasonable for what i have available to me. I don't think i could get anything different unless it was available at a GNC type place. the test E and proviron, i have a legit source, but that is all he has. I am looking to increase strength. also help with my recovery from injuries as well as try and keep or improve my cardio by being able to push through longer workouts. I plan on posting on the mma board as well but it seems the users here have a great deal of knowledge of all types of supplements ans AS. thank you for reading my post and i would appreciate any critics of what i could change, do different, or confirm i should drive on as planned.
 
here is little of my background so you experts ,if you are willing, can give a more educated, accurate response.
through my 30's i spent in the military and competing in bjj and mma competitions. which i did without any gear. when i hit 40 years old, nature was taking it's course as well as some injuries through sports and military life and i was going down hill fast. always thinking of myself as a hard charger, i just didn't want to accept that. i went to see an anti aging specialist. for the last two years, i have been prescribed bio identical (whatever that means) testosterone cream, as well as .4mg of hgh ED. the test cream on the bottle says that it is 200mg but i am not sure how that converts to real anabolic test in mg? I take 4 clicks of the tube of test in the morning and night. The hgh from what i read on this forum is converted from mg to iu by * by 3. so i guess i have been taking 1.2IU of hgh per day. I have had some small increases for strength and energy, but for the cost (almost $2500/month), I am not sure it is worth it.
recently i opened a mma./fitness gym.. I am not competing in MMA or crossfit competition, so taking anabolics i don't consider as cheating. the main reason i am interested in taking something more is so that i can help push my students a little more both on the mat and in the weight room, as well as try and grapple with as many students as i can for as long as i can. My gym is small and new now. So i double as a training partner as well as instructor. right now with my injuries and age (43), i am done after 3or 4-5min rounds. of course vainly, i would like to look better and feel better too.
now to the main questions. sorry about the long background
here are my stats
43 yrs old
6'1 195lbs
approx 10% bf

here is what i am thinking of doing and where i need your advice
500mg of test Ethanate/week for 10 weeks (as well as continuing the bio identical test ED)
increasing the hgh from 1.2IU to 3.6IU ED for 3 months
50mg proviron ED for 10 weeks

Now i have done a lot of research on this site before posting these questions. I understand a lot of people say for mma take anavar, EQ, primo, etc...because it keeps the weight down, doesn't give you the pump, increases strength,etc....
but unless a doctor somewhere can prescribe these too me, i am not in the "in" or "know crowd" of have any idea where i can get these designer things from a trusted site. like i said i am new to this game. also my concern is getting too heavy because most of my fighters are under 200lbs.most are between 160-180. I want to be light enough to so they can have legit training partner. i was thinking the proviron would keep the water weight down. However, i am a little concerned with the proviron for mma because i heard it makes your muscles hard to the point of inflexible. Which I would think would lead to injuries on submission attempts more than normal. What do you guys think? I think the hgh at 1.2IU was not doing anything. so i was hoping by increasing to 3.6IU it would help lose some fat and help with recovery of injury.
basically i want to know if you think this type of cycle is reasonable for what i have available to me. I don't think i could get anything different unless it was available at a GNC type place. the test E and proviron, i have a legit source, but that is all he has. I am looking to increase strength. also help with my recovery from injuries as well as try and keep or improve my cardio by being able to push through longer workouts. I plan on posting on the mma board as well but it seems the users here have a great deal of knowledge of all types of supplements ans AS. thank you for reading my post and i would appreciate any critics of what i could change, do different, or confirm i should drive on as planned.



Welcome to elite, I never was a fan of those transdermal gel creams, be sure to wash your hands afterwards, and be sure they are absolutely clean before you touch any Females or children.
And Sure adding 500mg or even a lower dose like 350mg along with the Cream would give you the added boost to what you're wishing to accomplish,and you can contro how much muscle you want to put on by tweaking your diet, plus you'll feel better, increased libido, more muscle tone...etc, now the HGH is another matter, the dosage you're taking is not going to do much of anything, plus it needs to be ran a min of 6 months to a yr to notice anything, and 3 international units(IU's) would be much better to your liking opposed to the 1iu you're now taking.So at the moment all you need is more test that way you will be able to see how your body reacts to hormones instead of adding multiple Compounds which could cause problems and you won't know which one is causing it, BTW Bio-identical hormones are nothing more than products the human body produces as they are identical in molecular structure.

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Your cycle looks good for a first timer. Yes, there are other anabolic steroids and it looks like you've done your research or part of it but there will be time for those later.
Now a couple of things: do you have an antiestrogen at hand? Also, you might want to switch to underground laboratories if only to save money.
 
Your cycle looks good for a first timer. Yes, there are other anabolic steroids and it looks like you've done your research or part of it but there will be time for those later.
Now a couple of things: do you have an antiestrogen at hand? Also, you might want to switch to underground laboratories if only to save money.

Underground lab, I would
Live to hear more about this. I'm going for double knee surgery next month so I'm thinking in running HGH, test and something else. But I'm struggling to find suppliers.
 
Those two are all you need at the moment, see how your body reacts to this then next cycle add another compound ,thats the smart way to do it.
 
Underground lab, I would
Live to hear more about this. I'm going for double knee surgery next month so I'm thinking in running HGH, test and something else. But I'm struggling to find suppliers.

You can find a bunch of them over on outlaw muscle.
 
Your cycle looks good for a first timer. Yes, there are other anabolic steroids and it looks like you've done your research or part of it but there will be time for those later.
Now a couple of things: do you have an antiestrogen at hand? Also, you might want to switch to underground laboratories if only to save money.

thanks for the advice. i don't currently have ae on hand but i can get clomid and nolvadex pretty easy as i travel outside CONUS quite a bit. However, i was thinking after i stop this current cycle i would just go back to the anti-aging bio identical test creams that i have basically a lifetime supply of and continue with that . in addition lower the hgh back to 2ius a day. what do you think of that? can i continue on that for a long period of time? or should i take a break and use AE and then get back on the transdermal test creams? I am just looking to maintain some energy, reduce injuries and keep some strength where i can push through tough workouts. not looking to really put on size. thanks to everyone for there help!
 
i don't currently have ae on hand but i can get clomid and nolvadex pretty easy as i travel outside CONUS quite a bit.

With antiestrogen I meant something like Aromasin (preferably) or Arimidex. Nolva and Clomid are not antiestrogen and can't be used while on cycle.

2ui of HGH is perfect for antiaging, by the way.
 
Hey man im former military myself. I practice Martial arts and have competed in wrestling, submission wrestling, kickboxing, mma. I am also currently a brown belt as well in filipino Arnis. I have used plenty of different substances. For your goals i always tell all mma guys go for sarms. Do a stack of ostarine (mk2866) and gw501516 added to your current test gel and hgh. You will be crushing guys and the weight gain isny gonna kill ya. I have trained with aas and sarms. Sarms are way better imho for anything really cardio intense. Try the sarms first before jumping on the aas bandwagon. There is a mod on this board named dylan he is the expert sarms dude and radar also knws alot about sarms. I would seriously consider it if was you. Get your sarms at sarmssearch.Com. They are a board sponser or uniqemicals.com. Good luck man.

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And if you throw some tb500 in there. You will feel like nobody can touch u.

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With antiestrogen I meant something like Aromasin (preferably) or Arimidex. Nolva and Clomid are not antiestrogen and can't be used while on cycle.

2ui of HGH is perfect for antiaging, by the way.

oh sorry, i got confused. No i don't have any aromasin or arimidex. i do have some proviron. can that be used during cyle as a quasi anti estrogen? I am taking 500mg of test E/week for 10 weeks and 3IU of HGH/daily. do you think i need the aromasin or arimidex for this amount? and what would be the advantage of taking something like this during the cycle if the goal was to increase performance for MMA? is it just used to keep the gyno from setting in or is there more i should be concerned about with this type of cycle as far as getting estrogen levels too high? thanks
 
either SARMs

or a low dose of test/hgh.

running moderate doses of hormones believe it or not will be counter productive for your goals. you need good endurance for both those sports and trust me as a former endurance athlete

what do you think of adding the proviron at 50mg/day for keeping weight gains/water weight down and getting the full effects of the test? my concern with the proviron and that it will make the muscles hard which in turn will make them less flexible and lead to injuries grappling and crossfiting.
 
^^^^ it would probably hurt you more than help.

go with low dose test/low dose GH like i said above. that is your best option and what endurance guys take. they don't go around taking a gram of juice a week like bodybuilders and lifters. totally different goals

the key for you is RECOVERY pure and simple with that stack.. and if you can recover twice as fast as the dude next to you then you will be ahead of the game. take too high a dose and you will start dealing with pumps, hard muscles, extra mass, etc. which will cripple your endurance and flexibility
 
Stay away from to much test and mma. I really think 500mg is to much. You will see when you try to jump rope and move around and you get these crazy insane pumps in your muscles and it kinda is debilitating and counter- productive like steve says.

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If u arent gonna run sarms. run the test at about 250mg/wk. Nobody listens to me about sarms and mma. Its the BEES KNEES MAN!!!!! Everyone just cant wait to push the plunger on the syringe. Then you will see. Live and learn I guess. Watch out for that crazy bacne your gonna get to. Especially if you grapple alot. SARMS!!!!!!!!!!! For MMA is the cats pajamas. Nuff said. Keep us posted bro.

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Hey man im former military myself. I practice Martial arts and have competed in wrestling, submission wrestling, kickboxing, mma. I am also currently a brown belt as well in filipino Arnis. I have used plenty of different substances. For your goals i always tell all mma guys go for sarms. Do a stack of ostarine (mk2866) and gw501516 added to your current test gel and hgh. You will be crushing guys and the weight gain isny gonna kill ya. I have trained with aas and sarms. Sarms are way better imho for anything really cardio intense. Try the sarms first before jumping on the aas bandwagon. There is a mod on this board named dylan he is the expert sarms dude and radar also knws alot about sarms. I would seriously consider it if was you. Get your sarms at sarmssearch.Com. They are a board sponser or uniqemicals.com. Good luck man.

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i am researching it now and went to the website but what exactly will ostarine and gw501516 do for me in regards to mma specifically? help keep weight down, increase strength, cardio, etc? it doesn't give much product info on these products? and are they legal to take. if i was to compete at an event that tested for PE's would these show up? not really a personal concern just a general question. thanks again for the awesome feedback
 
They increased strength and cardio output for me. I felt like I could go a hundred rounds without getting tired. I would literly grind guys down on my cardio capacity alone. I compete as a heavyweight also, so that should tell you something about cardio. Ostarine helped with strength and cardio. The gains come on slower with ostarine usually around 3 weeks for me to notice, and around a week for the GW. You can stack s4 with it also, some people dont like the sides really, and they follow a 5 on 2 off protocol to combat them, and results come faster with s4.
There is plenty of info on this site, just use the search function. There is an older log i remember reading about a smaller guy using them for mma and loving it as well. Also read logs by dylangemelli and radar on sarms. As far as the testing goes only if your an olympic athlete maybe?anything else likely not. They only have a test that might detect gw in urine and only the olympics testing committe uses it and vada is trying to find a way to test for Gw.The other sarms they have no way of testing it. So a sarms stack would work nicely. If you stack tb500 which helps alleviate joint pain and increases muscle flexibilty you would be golden for all your goals.

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oh sorry, i got confused. No i don't have any aromasin or arimidex. i do have some proviron. can that be used during cyle as a quasi anti estrogen? I am taking 500mg of test E/week for 10 weeks and 3IU of HGH/daily. do you think i need the aromasin or arimidex for this amount? and what would be the advantage of taking something like this during the cycle if the goal was to increase performance for MMA? is it just used to keep the gyno from setting in or is there more i should be concerned about with this type of cycle as far as getting estrogen levels too high? thanks

As if gyno wasn't already bad enough!!! High estrogen will make you feel bad, have less strength, be moody... think, how does a woman feel all the time? bad and complainy and that will be you if you let your strogen flare up. Also, you'll get bloated from all the water you'll be holding.

Again, congratulations for doing your homework partially because yes, Proviron will help fight the increased estrogen but unfortunatelly that's not enough. I know well because my first cycle was (what a coincidence) 500mg of test with Proviron as its only antiestrogen because my source didn't have anything else and they told me it would be enough. It wasn't enough and I had to buy some Arimidex somewhere else which, by the way, doesn't work on me. Meaning, get yourself some Aromasin.
 
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