Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Im a tall dude, about 6'4 and pretty skinny...i can put weight on fast but as soon as i let up its gone in a matter of days...I can gain weight fast but lose it at the drop of a dime...with that being said im looking for something to give me a boost and allow me to keep weight and muscle on...also a more hard look, i have a soft build...any thoughts on a first cycle??
Never Done Steroids, Looking To Do My First Cycle...????
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ego boner
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what sre you stats? like how long have you trained and how have you trained and what consistency and height wieght bodyfat%, diet, current workout routine,, ETC need i go on?
I'm 6'5" and an ex div 1 basketball player (meaning skinny as hell years ago) so i may be able to help you if you post good info.
P.S. please dont fudge on the stats cause it will onoly hinder you in the long run.
Ego!
I'm 6'5" and an ex div 1 basketball player (meaning skinny as hell years ago) so i may be able to help you if you post good info.
P.S. please dont fudge on the stats cause it will onoly hinder you in the long run.
Ego!
ego boner said:
ive trained for about 4 years now...weight has gone back and forth between 162 and 185...once i get the bulk on tho i lose it super fast...bf% when i weight in the 160s is 8% and when i put the weight on more like 10-12 %
when i get into the wanna get ripped stage i eat real strict...6 meals a day, staying low in fat and carbs...when i wanna bulk i still watch what i eat, just not as strict...like i may add cheese to a grilled chicken sandwhich or something haha...my current routine as of now is chest mon and fri....lifting heavy mon and light fri just to get a pump...tues and sat arms...wed i do all lower body but being tall (6'4 almost) im mostly all legs so its hard for me to bulk them....i take thurs and sunday off...weird sched but i have to with schooling...
ps i also use to be fat so i can gain it quick but for some reason now i lose it fast...which i guess is a good thing? maybe thats why i kinda have a soft look
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ego boner
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yes age too
when i try to bulk i eat enough....about 4000 cals...i just eat for the hell of it...one meal will be a chicken sandwhich then 5 mins later a bowl of bran flakes with natural peanut butter scopped in it haha
o and these pics are my many diff builds...those were all taken in the same year
as soon as i start getting meaty i slack off for like a few days and im back to square one
o and these pics are my many diff builds...those were all taken in the same year
as soon as i start getting meaty i slack off for like a few days and im back to square one
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ego boner
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you dont eat enough or train hard enough-- what are your goals?
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ego boner
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DAMN 160-185??? Im 6'5" and weigh 260 !! you need to EAT AND TRAIN HEAVY. I am not even ridiculously huge for my height and have 100 lbs on you!
im not training hard right now...i just have no drive at the moment but it eventually comes...when i am training hard its more like everyday but sunday....about an hour in the gym...my goals right now is to put on about 10lbs solid mass and be able to keep it...im sick of fluctuating back and forth..it just gets old
ya when ppl guess how much i weight they are never even close...i dont get it
i guess its just my genes? its so freaking annoying....if i dont constantly eat i get nowhere
ya when ppl guess how much i weight they are never even close...i dont get it
i guess its just my genes? its so freaking annoying....if i dont constantly eat i get nowhere
sopac
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Man you should be glad you have a fast metabolism, 4000 calories should definitely be enough to gain weight. If you were to eat that many calories consistantly with plenty of protein and hard training theres no way you wont gain. Technically you dont even need that many calories for you body weight.
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ego boner
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you arent eating enough protein or your body is not holding on to it... cut out cardio and lift heavy-- eat LOTS of protein. and get on glutamine or creatine so your body will hold on to it
ok ill start taking both...ive taken creatine before and am on it now but i think i just gained water weight...i was alot stronger tho and thats when i weighed the most at 188
since i use to be fat i can put on fat easy but also lose it fast...i guess ill have to be careful
looking at my pictures when i was bigger theres def a layer of unwanted fat but when i try and lose it like adding cardio i lose all my weight gained and get back to little ripped guy haha
since i use to be fat i can put on fat easy but also lose it fast...i guess ill have to be careful
looking at my pictures when i was bigger theres def a layer of unwanted fat but when i try and lose it like adding cardio i lose all my weight gained and get back to little ripped guy haha
jumpmaster82
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eat like a horse and run 500mg test e or c a week for 8 weeks. Don't stack different compounds on yer first cycle, just run the test so you can gauge how it works with your body and put on some muscle as well. Using gear is a trial and error sort of game. Cuz nobody knows how any certain chemical will affect them.
sopac
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You didnt specify your exact weight so lets just say you are 175. You need atleast 3200 calories a day to gain weight and should probably be taking atleast 200 grams of protein a day. You also are training at a minimum of 3 days a week. So lets say you did this for 3-5 months and you gained 15 solid pounds. This is by far the best size you have had and you would like to maintain it. You cannot just drop down to 2500 calories a day, if you were to do that you would lose weight. In order to maintain weight you have to keep your calories up, at a weight of 190 they should be around 2900 minimum. Honestly you dont have to "stuff" your face to gain weight, 5 to 6 small meals a day is fine and you will get all the cals you need.
If you are curious on how i calculated the cals its:
Fat loss = 12 - 13 calories per lb. of bodyweight
Maintenance = 15-16 calories per lb. of bodyweight
Weight gain = 18 to 20+ calories per lb. of bodyweight
As far as gaining some chub with extra cals just do light cardio nothing major.
If you are curious on how i calculated the cals its:
Fat loss = 12 - 13 calories per lb. of bodyweight
Maintenance = 15-16 calories per lb. of bodyweight
Weight gain = 18 to 20+ calories per lb. of bodyweight
As far as gaining some chub with extra cals just do light cardio nothing major.
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ego boner
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Jumpmaster82 said:
you could do that too, but i would wait until you are older than 20. but if you do get on gear make sure to study up and have everythiong else like diet and training dialed in and clean. and make sure you run aa proper PCT.
EGO!
druncanwaria
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gweedle said:
as soon as you stop taking the steroids and get lazy again (which you imply you do) you will just go back to your old self.. then your appetetite is fucked and you feel shit at the gym cause your lifting a fraction of what your were lifting before when you were on..
i was in your position nearly 2 years ago. i learnt the above lesson
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ego boner
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lifting is not something to do off and on. it has to be a habit.
I'm 6'5" and have found it difficult since I started training 6 years ago. I started training at 154lbs (yeh fucking skinny bro) and am now at 239lbs.
You can't afford to get lazy ,you need to stick at it 365 days of the year ,eat ,eat ,eat ,train ,train ,train.
Ive seen myself go at it for 6 months and gain 10lbs and then as soom as i slack ,even for a few weeks my weight plummets seriously.
Just gotta accept that we have 1 of those metabolisms and that we have to put a lot more effort in than most.
I dont think aas is the answer for you right now ,get to 200lbs naturally ,which can be done (i did it) and then consider using gear.
Stick at it bro all will come good
You can't afford to get lazy ,you need to stick at it 365 days of the year ,eat ,eat ,eat ,train ,train ,train.
Ive seen myself go at it for 6 months and gain 10lbs and then as soom as i slack ,even for a few weeks my weight plummets seriously.
Just gotta accept that we have 1 of those metabolisms and that we have to put a lot more effort in than most.
I dont think aas is the answer for you right now ,get to 200lbs naturally ,which can be done (i did it) and then consider using gear.
Stick at it bro all will come good
gweedle said:
wait 5 years- no less
Trendsetter21
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I would advise against steroids. Your looking for something to help you keep the weight on. Steroids are notorious for helping you gain weight but you always tend to lose some after the cycle. Therefore you'd be doing exactly what your doing now. The problem is your diet, Eat more and eat often. Keep it to small meals 8 a day that includes snacks. Drink 4 protein shakes a day (proteinfactory 10lb pales rock!). There is absolutely no way that if you keep that up and even after you bulk up cut down to 6 meals a day and 2 shakes you should be able to keep the weight. Diet is #1, then Training, Then Supplements and AS. Your young to, so you have tons of free test, don't waste it with taking steroids.
weightaminute
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I find it ironic that so many people say wait for extended periods (5 years) before you use steroids, but almost none of them waited anywhere near that long.
In the post below ...
B_Light said he will have been working out 2 years in May 2008. So that is really about a year and a half at the time he posted. After roughly a year ... he did a cycle of testosterone cypionate 500mg a week for 13 weeks and put on 15-20 lbs.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/some-shitty-post-cycle-pics-577596.html
But started scrawny as hell ... check the before pics buried in the post ...
http://ratechonline.com/p1.jpg
http://ratechonline.com/p2.jpg
Everyone is complimenting him on how great and developed he looks after such a short period of working out. And he does look fantastic. Anyway, I guarantee he would not have gotten to that point without juice. I am not condemning him at all ... actually the contrary.
Maybe he regrets not waiting 5 years? Not a chance.
I apologize B-Light for putting you on the spot ... but you are a classic example (in a good way) of why skinny guys use steriods.
In the post below ...
B_Light said he will have been working out 2 years in May 2008. So that is really about a year and a half at the time he posted. After roughly a year ... he did a cycle of testosterone cypionate 500mg a week for 13 weeks and put on 15-20 lbs.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/some-shitty-post-cycle-pics-577596.html
But started scrawny as hell ... check the before pics buried in the post ...
http://ratechonline.com/p1.jpg
http://ratechonline.com/p2.jpg
Everyone is complimenting him on how great and developed he looks after such a short period of working out. And he does look fantastic. Anyway, I guarantee he would not have gotten to that point without juice. I am not condemning him at all ... actually the contrary.
Maybe he regrets not waiting 5 years? Not a chance.
I apologize B-Light for putting you on the spot ... but you are a classic example (in a good way) of why skinny guys use steriods.
needtogetaas
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sounds like you need to change your life stile along with your diet. Change it and keep it changed.gweedle said:
weightaminute
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sopac said:
Without a doubt gains can be made, but there is NO way to go from those BEFORE pics to the AFTER pics in 1.5 years without gear.
weightaminute said:
actually, there was a thread a few weeks ago re: Breagan where every single bro who started very early said they should have waited. moreover, when guys that started early say they should have waited, that, to me, besides the sci eveidence, should be the most persuasive argument. if anyone would know, it is them. btw, i started at 39.
weightaminute
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eddymerckx said:
Actually I just watched a show the other day ... 20/20 or a similar show that had several doctors say there really is no conclusive proof that steroids cause long term health problems. Someone else surely watched it ... help me out...
At any rate ... I am not supporting the idea of adolescents juicing up. I am just saying that telling a person 20+ years old to workout for 5 years before using steriods .. is like telling them to not have sex until they are married. Especially when you see the results that people are getting.
It's easy to be a guy that says he should have waited. The fact is that none (or very few of them) of them did. In the grand scheme it's probably better to not take them at all ... so why do all the experience guys keep taking them?
weightaminute said:
i agree, there is scant evidence of long term health problems in adult men, however there is a mountain of evidence of what gear use will do if used too early.
perryscoon
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sopac said:
impossible.
needtogetaas
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I made a sticky a few weeks ago of a guy that made natty gains even better then blights. He posted before and after pics.eddymerckx said:
needtogetaas
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The facts are still there. This guy can't keep gains with out aas. He is going to have a even harder time keeping gains after a aas cycle.
SORRY BRO THERE IS NO AAS IN THE WORLD THAT WILL HELP YOU KEEP MUSCLE ON ONCE YOU STOP USING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't keep reg gains.
So with that being said you need to learn how to keep reg gains before you can even think about keeping gains after a cycle. Thats the cold hard facts and fuck any one that don't like it. Prove me other wise. Some one any one prove to me that there is some cycle advice you can give this guy.Thats going to help him keep his gains after cycle. When he can't even keep his reg gains as it is? What supper aas advice to you think you have for this guy? Give him all the advice you like if you think you are doing the right thing. He will end up worse then when he started.
SORRY BRO THERE IS NO AAS IN THE WORLD THAT WILL HELP YOU KEEP MUSCLE ON ONCE YOU STOP USING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't keep reg gains.
So with that being said you need to learn how to keep reg gains before you can even think about keeping gains after a cycle. Thats the cold hard facts and fuck any one that don't like it. Prove me other wise. Some one any one prove to me that there is some cycle advice you can give this guy.Thats going to help him keep his gains after cycle. When he can't even keep his reg gains as it is? What supper aas advice to you think you have for this guy? Give him all the advice you like if you think you are doing the right thing. He will end up worse then when he started.
needtogetaas said:
i agree--the bro has a screaming metabolism (unlike mine which is about as fast a dick cheney can run a mile) and the only thing that will help him keep his gains is time. If i was in his position i would concentrate on core strength movement (deads, bench, squat) to create more of an anabolic environment.
