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i agreew ith you Bruce on some of that but Nelson or whoever and the LONG post, I learn rom those and as a member I should be able to cherry pick the post I choose. I know you are a good bro here and if Ross is scamming on that product then he needs to be banned...however I knew about the book already he said that and he is going to have his own site to I know that for sure...The link sends you to a product I have not herd him talk about. I think Ross hould just come out and answer to his critics.

Nelson I like your ideas, products, and thoughts and I hope to see more post that we can all have a debate on. Bruce you as well and Like I said before bro's Im here to learn. I learned alot reading the threads of Ross and Nelson because everyone jumps in and it turns into a big thread. Im trying to get info not start shit. So I am sorry to all EF members on that front-
 
GLEN said:
i agreew ith you Bruce on some of that but Nelson or whoever and the LONG post, I learn rom those and as a member I should be able to cherry pick the post I choose. I know you are a good bro here and if Ross is scamming on that product then he needs to be banned...however I knew about the book already he said that and he is going to have his own site to I know that for sure...The link sends you to a product I have not herd him talk about. I think Ross hould just come out and answer to his critics.

Nelson I like your ideas, products, and thoughts and I hope to see more post that we can all have a debate on. Bruce you as well and Like I said before bro's Im here to learn. I learned alot reading the threads of Ross and Nelson because everyone jumps in and it turns into a big thread. Im trying to get info not start shit. So I am sorry to all EF members on that front-

Since I'm in a peaceful mood I will accept and return the apology.
My somewhat smart ass comment was not needed and I will try not to judge other peoples products until I myself have tried them.
Thanks again Bruce for being a good bro.
 
Nelson Montana said:
D-bol and proviron is a hardcore hair killing combo. Works great though.
gram o primo dbols proviron is even worse. i'll put my hairline on my avi. thicker than a hippy chicks bush. hell yea. thats all genetics too. come on bro, you are either prone to mpb or you are not. simple as that
 
Mac173 said:
Since I'm in a peaceful mood I will accept and return the apology.
My somewhat smart ass comment was not needed and I will try not to judge other peoples products until I myself have tried them.
Thanks again Bruce for being a good bro.
no problem mac, we need bros like you sticking around
 
I've gotten some questions regarding VIGOR as compared to other "blood supplements" on the market To be honest, I didn't think there were too many supp companies swift enough to come up with a concept like that.

Turns out, I was right.

And the stupidity invovled is truly amazing. For example...

One product contains black cohosh -- an estrogenic herb.

Another contains Red clover -- also an estrogenic herb.

They probably read that these herbs "cleanse" the blood in some foo foo new age horseshit catalogue endorsed by Deprak Chopra or Andew Weil or Oprah or some other fat twit.

NONE of these products contain the active ingredients in VIGOR.

VIGOR will be a hard sell since it's geared more to the guy who understands the "steroid pump" principle.

(By the way, I'm still taking these ingredients seperatly so I can't wait until it's packaged. And for anyone who's tried Careo in liquid form they know that the stench will make you want to WRETCH. Putting it in a powdered extract alleviates that problem and makes it even more concentrated. We're is the first to do that).
























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no2 black im on contains that...i want to try the vigor...so far no2 black makes me vascular and look decent while im lean...Im going to switch to VIGOR and will keep a CLOSE UPDATE on the boards
Also blood work for unleashed and myo could be possible, Im checking into that this week-
 
GLEN said:
no2 black im on contains that...i want to try the vigor...so far no2 black makes me vascular and look decent while im lean...Im going to switch to VIGOR and will keep a CLOSE UPDATE on the boards
Also blood work for unleashed and myo could be possible, Im checking into that this week-

Have you had your "free" testosterone checked prior to taking UNLEASHED? Because after a few weeks of using it , I guarentee it'll be higher.

VIGOR will also increase vascularity and RBC should go up as well (as it would with AAS).
 
Nelson Montana said:
Wow, it's too late for me to get into the middle of all this. However, if you're interested in "VIGOR" here's some info.

It's a promo ad so naturally it's written as such, but you'll get an idea of what it does. It's a very cool concept and I'm proud of it. I think a lot of people are really going to like it -- especially if you're familiar with the infamous "d-bol pump" which comes from increased blood volume.

There are some things that can be done to improve its effectiveness. (Seems to work best when carbs are present). If you have any questions, let me know.



VIGOR

Advanced Hemobolic Tonic


Forget NO2! It’s over! Protein Factory has developed a new supplement that is leaps and bounds beyond Nitric Oxide, or any other muscle volumizing product. It’s called VIGOR. And it’s going to change everything.

Imagine…

Superior strength. Endless endurance. Quicker Recovery. Vein Bursting Pumps.

Now, it’s all possible.

Like the pumps you get with NO2? Compared to the results you’ll get from VIGOR is the difference between a kiddie cart and a rocket ship! VIGOR is a new generation of supplements -- another dimension in the advancement of muscle growth. Now you can expect pumps like you’re on gear! Lift weight that once seemed impossible. Grow beyond your limitations. It can be done. With VIGOR.

VIGOR is unlike anything else on the market, yet the principle, not surprisingly, is quite simple. First off, it works naturally. That’s the key. Too many supplements work against the body by attempting to mimic drugs and failing miserably. But at Protein Factory we believe in making the most of natural genetic potential. That’s what provides long lasting results. VIGOR achieves this goal by improving the health and quality of your blood. That’s right. That’s the secret. Your precious blood. The lifeforce of all things.

It may sound a little radical, but realize; your blood is what determines your strength, your energy, your ability to grow, even your sexual prowess! In fact, it’s the best gauge of your overall health. Without rich red blood cells nothing else will matter. Did you realize that with all the advances in medicine, the way preferred by most doctors to determine one’s physical state is still with a simple blood test? That’s where all the answers lie. It all comes down to the quality that runs though your bloodstream . And you’d be surprised how often it isn’t what as it should be.

VIGOR builds blood with the athlete in mind. And it does so safely. Ever hear of blood doping? That’s when athletes add extra blood into their systems prior to an athletic event. Why? Because increased red blood cells increases strength and stamina! It’s an unfair advantage so it’s illegal. But VIGOR does the same thing naturally. More oxygen rich blood cells means more power to outperform the competition.

How VIGOR Works

VIGOR contains a unique blend of ingredients, all designed to maximize the blood cell count and safely increase the volume within your circulatory system. This adds up to fuller muscles and increased potential muscle growth!

WARNING! Don’t be fooled by iron supplements which claim to improve “tired blood.” Iron improperly administered can be toxic over time. In the case of men, too much iron, especially in the form of ferrous sulfate (the type used in most supplements) may actually lead to heart disease. There’s a better way.

The main ingredient in VIGOR is an exotic herb found only in the jungles of Costa Rica. It’s called Cassia Grandis. This amazing substance has had a reputation among the people of the region for centuries but it’s only recently where the word is spreading beyond the region. Cassia Grandi (also known as Careo) has been a successful treatment for people suffering from anemia due to malnutrition. There’s also an additional benefit. It’s used as an aphrodesiac! Yes, it’s true. Something about Cassia Grandis seems to increase sexual desire and performance. Folkore is one thing but reality is another – which led to several studies with Cassis Grandi and although it is uncertain how it does what it does it certainly lived up to its reputation! Not only did it increase red blood cells but when administered to mice, their copulation rate tripled! More and more top athletes are catching on and have begun taking Cassis Grandis. We predict this will be one of the most popular supplements of the next decade. But Protein Factory has it NOW. Cassis Grandis has no side effects and we use only the purest form from the fruit of the plant. As always, you can assured of the very best quality.


VIGOR also contains…

Di-Arginine Malate: This is a super charged version of nitric oxide that is more absorbable than the standard form used by other companies. No waste. No stomach upset. This alone surpasses NO2. So why waste money on inferior products?


Guarana: An energy herb that increases the effects of the Di-Arginine Malate. It also increases focus and drive.

Iron Bisglycinate: A pure form of iron for building blood count without the dangers and negative side effects of other iron supplements.

Catuaba: A Brazillian herb that is believed to increase fertility and fortify the nervous system. Empirical evidence confirms the claims. Catuaba also increases the ability to maintain arousal by increasing blood flow to the extremities.

Dibencoside: A co enzyme of Vitamin B12 which is essential for production and transport of red blood cells.

Folic Acid: The vital nutrient necessary to regenerate red and white blood cells and to keep them in proper balance. It also keeps veins and arterial walls free from forming plaque due to fat and cholesterol. This also allows for maximum pumps and vascularity Folic acid is deficient in most diets. VIGOR insures you get enough.

Put it all together and you have a supercharged arsenal for explosive strength! Nowhere on earth will you find a more powerful formula. VIGOR will change everyone’s mind about what a supplement can do.

If you want to get the most from your performance…if you want to go farther, run faster, train harder and forge on long after others have quit…you need VIGOR.

Sounds pretty interesting Nelson, cool concept. And probably, along with Resveratrol supps, one of the best supps for an endurance athlete.

So this Cassia Grandis actually increases red blood cell count, or does it just make the cells more active/ effective?

So Nelson are you part of Protein Factory directly or do you just design supps for them?

Also what are your other products, and where can we get them? I don't agree with all your ideas but I have to say you definitely come up with new shit and you have some interesting ideas.
 
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