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Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.
 
man05 said:
Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.
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Hello,

I think a lot 260mg / week are not TRT, because 200mg / week made around 1200/1400ng.
Use NPP as kick start with Deca are a great idea to me .... It's better and more safe than oral like Dbol / Adrol for 4 weeks.

Do you get a blood work before this cycle ? It's very important.

Try to take your NPP 50mg twice week and not 100mg in one time if possible.

To me if you have quality gear :

Test C 300mg
Nandrolone D 100mg / week
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 50mg twice week

When your stop the NPP up your Deca to 200mg and rest with test C 300mg
Add a compound for helping your well-being like Proviron, think about your estradiol and prolactin (it's why blood work are important)

If you have nop with Masteron, it's surely a good option, the Di-Propionate version give awesome effect on well-being and libido 50mg twice week.
 
My blood work was last taken three months back only on the 260mg trt dose from the doctor. Everything was within normal limits, prior test to that my test was over 3k and e2 was I think at 92 because I messed with dbol and was taking no ai, big lesson learned. I’m learning I don’t need to go pin huge amounts of gear for gains.
I have some Proviron and I will be ordering more, is the Ultima the best thing I can get or is there another quality product out there?

Thank you so much for your feedback and help.


Mark
 
man05 said:
My blood work was last taken three months back only on the 260mg trt dose from the doctor. Everything was within normal limits, prior test to that my test was over 3k and e2 was I think at 92 because I messed with dbol and was taking no ai, big lesson learned. I’m learning I don’t need to go pin huge amounts of gear for gains.
I have some Proviron and I will be ordering more, is the Ultima the best thing I can get or is there another quality product out there?

Thank you so much for your feedback and help.


Mark
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Hello @man05
Your welcome :)
If possible share with us all your blood work in details.
Like i said before a cycle it's important so 3 months ago (if i have well understand) are not good :cry:

So if possible give a full blood work (hematocrit, psa, LDL&HDL, cholesterol, transaminases, prolactin, estradiol ...) test and aas have a impact on IGF-1 too and Deca for some people drop the iron level like hell.

If you react well with Ultima, continue with it, i'm not fan to use different lab in one cycle, try to rest in your cycle with the same particulary if you're react well (some contact use Ultima and Nakon with awesome results).

Personnaly i used Euro-Pharmaceuticals from PSL (sponsors here) with Sustanon / Deca / NPP / Proviron / IGf-1 Lr3 / Anastrozole with great success, but everyone react differently, depend the type of oil, solvant etc used to made the stuff.

Oh yes, Deca are 19-nor so it's possible to have some side effect during summer like lot sweating ... it's why i recommand to use this posology and not more.

If possible (again lol) try to write what do you eat, what type of training, when your OFF too etc ....

All the best,
Take Care and Blessed Weekend 🙏
 
man05 said:
Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.
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@man05 I saw you on evolutionary.org forums, specifically your other thread

Modified DECA/TEST TRT combination

I am 49, 62, 209, 13-14%bf roughly, on doctor prescribed trt of 260mg test per week(m/th) 1mg adex(t/f). Bloods are well within normal limits things look good. During last call with doc he openly suggested he could prescribe or I could acquire deca and run in conjunction of 260mg/200mg test to...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org

I think before we talk real cycle details lets start with you sharing your full diet.

meals foods you eat when you eat them and how much and so on
diet is key here

training, sets reps what you do when you do it and so on, weights

we need details to really push to the next level all forums will agree with this.
 
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diet details as you go
training details as you go
 
Alright guys here is an approximation of what I eat and have been able to eat non stop.
I drink 1 to 1.5 cups of coffee each morning and I do not drink any alcohol, smoke drugs or tobacco.
A cheat day for me is a huge salad with dressing and chicken with nuts and fruit and 2-3 pieces of pizza.

The rest is pretty vanilla.

Daily Meals on average



Meal 1 (Fall, Spring, Winter)

30grams egg proteins

20grams turkey sausage low sodium

Whole bagel or half bagel and a full cup or so of cold oatmeal soaked in NF milk.

Multivitamin, fish oil, 1.5 creatine ( I use for muscle recovery and not volume), .5g HMB is included in the creatine.

During the summer though I stick with 1000 calorie shakes with whey, fruit and NF milk, its too hot and humid to eat meals in Tennessee sometimes.

Meal 2

Usually, a 600calorie protein shake with NF milk

Handful of almonds or dried fruit with some Greek yogurt.

Meal 3

Grilled chicken thighs and rice or grilled chicken thighs wrapped in flour tortillas, I eat between 3-4 thighs.

Meal 4

Pre workout

Rice krispies with NF milk, scoop of whey to drink.

Meal 5

Sweet potatoes and lean ground beef or grilled steak and some sort of vegetable.

Meal 6

Chicken and rice with vegetables



Meal 7

Protein shake 800 calories post workout.

Scoop of cold oats about a cup (I love this stuff)



Meal 8

Protein shake with water before bed.







Workouts on average what I like to do:

Six days on one day off performing Push/ Pull movements


Push 1 (Monday)
Barbell Regular Bench Press 4 x 5

Barbell Close grip bench 3 x 12, 8, 6

Multi-grip Barbell Standing overhead press 3 x 8-12

Dumbbell Lateral raises 4 x 12-15

Dumbbell Chest supported rear delt flies 3 x 8-12



Push 2(Thursday)
Barbell Close grip bench 4 x 5

Barbell Regular Bench Press 3 x 8-12

Multi-grip Barbell Standing overhead press 3 x 8-12

Dumbbell Lateral raises 4 x 12-15

Dumbbell Chest supported rear delt flies 3 x 8-12





Pull 1 (Tuesday)
Multi-grip Barbell Bent over rows 4 x 5

Free weights Pull ups 3 x 8-12

Free weights Chin up 3 x 5-8

Dumbell Chest supported dumbbell rows 3 x 8-12

Ez-curl bar Standing curls 3 x 8-12

Barbell Standing shrugs 3 x 6-8



Pull 2 (Friday)
Free weights Pull ups 4 x 5

Multi-grip Barbell Bent over rows 3 x 8-12

Free weights Chin up 3 x 8-12

Dumbell Chest supported rows 3 x 8-12

Ez-curl bar Standing curls 3 x 5-8

Barbell Standing shrugs 3 x 6-8





Legs (Wednesday and Saturday)
Barbell Low back squat 4 x 5

Dumbbell Front squat 4 x 10-15

Bodyweight Calf raises 4 x 25+

Bodyweight Ab circuit routine 7 mins AthleticaX guy Jeff from You tube, hes ripped.



Now what I really enjoy doing is right here based off Mentzers teaching, my ass is kicked each workout following this.
Each set focuses on explosive concentric and slow, deliberate eccentric = PAIN!


Chest:

  • DB Flys – Incline: 5 sets of 8 reps
  • BB Bench Press – Flat: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Chest Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
  • DB Flys – Flat: 5 sets of 8 reps
  • BB Bench Press – Incline: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Back:

  • Straight Arm Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Reverse Close Grip Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Bent Over BB Rowing: 5 sets of 5 reps
  • DB Shrugs: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Upright Rowing – Barbell: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Shoulders:

  • DB Side Lateral Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Overhead Press – Behind the Neck: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • DB Raises – Bent Over: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Front BB Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
Legs:

  • BB Squats: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Lying Leg Curls – Single Leg: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps I use Monkey foot onthis.
  • DB Lunges – Walking: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Calf Raises – Standing: 5 sets of 10 – 15 reps
Arms:

  • Triceps Pushdowns – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
  • Overhead Triceps Extensions – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • DB Curls – Standing: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Reverse Grip Chin–Ups: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Preacher Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps ( use a barbell brace to maintain perfect form, some sets I will perform with out the brace.
  • Forearm Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 10 reps


I hope this helps out, this has been great to write out.
 
Picture of me,,I do have abdominal separation and not a ton of fat. I had laparoscopic surgery 5 weeks ago and the post surgery bloat takes up to three months to resolve.
 

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man05 said:
Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.
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SteveMobsterG said:
Yep looking forward to the training info
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Thread#19 I included diet and training details.
I’d there a better way for me to post this all together for everyone to see?

Thank you

Mark
 
Right now I need to determine the total mg of test, Proviron and deca and if I’m going to kick start using some npp the first four weeks.

I am ready to start just need some guidance.

So far I’ve heard suggested 300 test / 200 Deca and jump start with npp.

I need clarification on the suggested dosages.
 
man05 said:
Alright guys here is an approximation of what I eat and have been able to eat non stop.
I drink 1 to 1.5 cups of coffee each morning and I do not drink any alcohol, smoke drugs or tobacco.
A cheat day for me is a huge salad with dressing and chicken with nuts and fruit and 2-3 pieces of pizza.

The rest is pretty vanilla.

Daily Meals on average



Meal 1 (Fall, Spring, Winter)

30grams egg proteins

20grams turkey sausage low sodium

Whole bagel or half bagel and a full cup or so of cold oatmeal soaked in NF milk.

Multivitamin, fish oil, 1.5 creatine ( I use for muscle recovery and not volume), .5g HMB is included in the creatine.

During the summer though I stick with 1000 calorie shakes with whey, fruit and NF milk, its too hot and humid to eat meals in Tennessee sometimes.

Meal 2

Usually, a 600calorie protein shake with NF milk

Handful of almonds or dried fruit with some Greek yogurt.

Meal 3

Grilled chicken thighs and rice or grilled chicken thighs wrapped in flour tortillas, I eat between 3-4 thighs.

Meal 4

Pre workout

Rice krispies with NF milk, scoop of whey to drink.

Meal 5

Sweet potatoes and lean ground beef or grilled steak and some sort of vegetable.

Meal 6

Chicken and rice with vegetables



Meal 7

Protein shake 800 calories post workout.

Scoop of cold oats about a cup (I love this stuff)



Meal 8

Protein shake with water before bed.







Workouts on average what I like to do:

Six days on one day off performing Push/ Pull movements


Push 1 (Monday)
Barbell Regular Bench Press 4 x 5

Barbell Close grip bench 3 x 12, 8, 6

Multi-grip Barbell Standing overhead press 3 x 8-12

Dumbbell Lateral raises 4 x 12-15

Dumbbell Chest supported rear delt flies 3 x 8-12



Push 2(Thursday)
Barbell Close grip bench 4 x 5

Barbell Regular Bench Press 3 x 8-12

Multi-grip Barbell Standing overhead press 3 x 8-12

Dumbbell Lateral raises 4 x 12-15

Dumbbell Chest supported rear delt flies 3 x 8-12





Pull 1 (Tuesday)
Multi-grip Barbell Bent over rows 4 x 5

Free weights Pull ups 3 x 8-12

Free weights Chin up 3 x 5-8

Dumbell Chest supported dumbbell rows 3 x 8-12

Ez-curl bar Standing curls 3 x 8-12

Barbell Standing shrugs 3 x 6-8



Pull 2 (Friday)
Free weights Pull ups 4 x 5

Multi-grip Barbell Bent over rows 3 x 8-12

Free weights Chin up 3 x 8-12

Dumbell Chest supported rows 3 x 8-12

Ez-curl bar Standing curls 3 x 5-8

Barbell Standing shrugs 3 x 6-8





Legs (Wednesday and Saturday)
Barbell Low back squat 4 x 5

Dumbbell Front squat 4 x 10-15

Bodyweight Calf raises 4 x 25+

Bodyweight Ab circuit routine 7 mins AthleticaX guy Jeff from You tube, hes ripped.



Now what I really enjoy doing is right here based off Mentzers teaching, my ass is kicked each workout following this.
Each set focuses on explosive concentric and slow, deliberate eccentric = PAIN!


Chest:

  • DB Flys – Incline: 5 sets of 8 reps
  • BB Bench Press – Flat: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Chest Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
  • DB Flys – Flat: 5 sets of 8 reps
  • BB Bench Press – Incline: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Back:

  • Straight Arm Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Reverse Close Grip Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Bent Over BB Rowing: 5 sets of 5 reps
  • DB Shrugs: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Upright Rowing – Barbell: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Shoulders:

  • DB Side Lateral Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Overhead Press – Behind the Neck: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • DB Raises – Bent Over: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Front BB Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
Legs:

  • BB Squats: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Lying Leg Curls – Single Leg: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps I use Monkey foot onthis.
  • DB Lunges – Walking: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Calf Raises – Standing: 5 sets of 10 – 15 reps
Arms:

  • Triceps Pushdowns – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
  • Overhead Triceps Extensions – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • DB Curls – Standing: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps
  • Reverse Grip Chin–Ups: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
  • Preacher Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps ( use a barbell brace to maintain perfect form, some sets I will perform with out the brace.
  • Forearm Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 10 reps


I hope this helps out, this has been great to write out.
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@man05 diet is interesting
so whats your diet today? i see 1 day of diet here

now for your training, i see sets and reps but how about weights? weights is what will show us when you get stronger or weaker so post up weights every few days with trianing
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@man05 diet is interesting
so whats your diet today? i see 1 day of diet here

now for your training, i see sets and reps but how about weights? weights is what will show us when you get stronger or weaker so post up weights every few days with trianing
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I have not started the deca /test cycle yet, I thought I was developing a framework.
I will gladly update a meal and training with reps every few days.
Right now I’m not certain on how best to dose the deca and test for this cycle and if 16 weeks is simply too long or just right.
 
stevesmi said:
did i miss the reason for the surgery 5 weeks ago?
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No sir, Inigual hernia surgery done robotically, repaired with mesh. I took bpc157/tb500 to help speed recovery, I clear to lift per the doctor.
 
man05 said:
I have not started the deca /test cycle yet, I thought I was developing a framework.
I will gladly update a meal and training with reps every few days.
Right now I’m not certain on how best to dose the deca and test for this cycle and if 16 weeks is simply too long or just right.
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The guys wanna correct any issues now - pre cycle
 
Here are my sets, reps and weights.
Push pull
Push 1BarbellRegular Bench Press4 x 585-215lbs
BarbellClose grip bench3 x 12, 8, 6145-165lbs
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-1285lbs
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
12lbs
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-1215lbs
Push 2BarbellClose grip bench4 x 5
BarbellRegular Bench Press3 x 8-12
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-12
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-12
Pull 1Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows4 x 5135lbs
Free weightsPull ups3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 5-8
DumbellChest supported dumbbell rows3 x 8-12110lbs
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 8-1270lbs
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8205lbs
Pull 2Free weightsPull ups4 x 5
Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 8-12
DumbellChest supported rows3 x 8-12
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 5-8
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8
Leg 1+2BarbellLow back squat4 x 5
Dumbbellsquat4 x 10-15225lbs
BodyweightCalf raises4 x 25+110lbs
BodyweightAb circuit routine7 mins
Mentzer
Chest:
DB Flys – Incline: 5 sets of 8 reps110lbs
BB Bench Press – Flat: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps185-205
Chest Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
DB Flys – Flat: 5 sets of 8 reps130lbs
BB Bench Press – Incline: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps155lbs
Back:
Straight Arm Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps145lbs
Reverse Close Grip Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps130lbs
Bent Over BB Rowing: 5 sets of 5 reps135lbs
DB Shrugs: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps180lbs
Upright Rowing – Barbell: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps75-85lbs
Shoulders:
DB Side Lateral Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12-15lbs
Overhead Press – Behind the Neck: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps106lbs
DB Raises – Bent Over: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12lbs
Front BB Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps52lbs
Legs:
BB Squats: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps 180lbs180lbs
Lying Leg Curls – Single Leg: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps I use Monkey foot onthis.25-30lbs25-30lbs
DB Lunges – Walking: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps106lbs
Calf Raises – Standing: 5 sets of 10 – 15 reps106lbs
Arms:
Triceps Pushdowns – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75 -90lbs75-90lbs
Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
Overhead Triceps Extensions – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75lbs75lbs
DB Curls – Standing: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 70;bs (35lbs each)70lbs/35lb ea
Reverse Grip Chin–Ups: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Preacher Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps using bicep brace 70-75lbs, heavy negatives here.70-75lbs
Forearm Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 10 reps45lbs45lbs
 
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
 
lundgren said:
Hello @man05
Your welcome :)
If possible share with us all your blood work in details.
Like i said before a cycle it's important so 3 months ago (if i have well understand) are not good :cry:

So if possible give a full blood work (hematocrit, psa, LDL&HDL, cholesterol, transaminases, prolactin, estradiol ...) test and aas have a impact on IGF-1 too and Deca for some people drop the iron level like hell.

If you react well with Ultima, continue with it, i'm not fan to use different lab in one cycle, try to rest in your cycle with the same particulary if you're react well (some contact use Ultima and Nakon with awesome results).

Personnaly i used Euro-Pharmaceuticals from PSL (sponsors here) with Sustanon / Deca / NPP / Proviron / IGf-1 Lr3 / Anastrozole with great success, but everyone react differently, depend the type of oil, solvant etc used to made the stuff.

Oh yes, Deca are 19-nor so it's possible to have some side effect during summer like lot sweating ... it's why i recommand to use this posology and not more.

If possible (again lol) try to write what do you eat, what type of training, when your OFF too etc ....

All the best,
Take Care and Blessed Weekend 🙏
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Sorry I misunderstood, my high blood levels were three months back and the most recent was about six weeks back and the doctor wanted to make sure I was adjusted to the dosage which I was on. I have been on 260mg per week for a few months and thats it.
 
BodyMonster34 said:
bro maybe add some tren or no?
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At minimum effective level of Tren E wouldn't that be about 100mg per week? Mixed with Deca another nor 19 seems like that might be too much, I am more than likely incorrect but I would be concerned about Introducing two new compounds on top of TestC and not knowing which was causing any potential sides. I have run 500mg test and 300or so of NPP in the past with no issues, it was amazing. I would like to try tren at least once though that being said wouldn't Tren A be better served in a cutting cycle with test and Masteron and some anavar?
 
man05 said:
Here are my sets, reps and weights.
Push pull
Push 1BarbellRegular Bench Press4 x 585-215lbs
BarbellClose grip bench3 x 12, 8, 6145-165lbs
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-1285lbs
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
12lbs
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-1215lbs
Push 2BarbellClose grip bench4 x 5
BarbellRegular Bench Press3 x 8-12
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-12
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-12
Pull 1Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows4 x 5135lbs
Free weightsPull ups3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 5-8
DumbellChest supported dumbbell rows3 x 8-12110lbs
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 8-1270lbs
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8205lbs
Pull 2Free weightsPull ups4 x 5
Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 8-12
DumbellChest supported rows3 x 8-12
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 5-8
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8
Leg 1+2BarbellLow back squat4 x 5
Dumbbellsquat4 x 10-15225lbs
BodyweightCalf raises4 x 25+110lbs
BodyweightAb circuit routine7 mins
Mentzer
Chest:
DB Flys – Incline: 5 sets of 8 reps110lbs
BB Bench Press – Flat: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps185-205
Chest Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
DB Flys – Flat: 5 sets of 8 reps130lbs
BB Bench Press – Incline: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps155lbs
Back:
Straight Arm Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps145lbs
Reverse Close Grip Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps130lbs
Bent Over BB Rowing: 5 sets of 5 reps135lbs
DB Shrugs: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps180lbs
Upright Rowing – Barbell: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps75-85lbs
Shoulders:
DB Side Lateral Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12-15lbs
Overhead Press – Behind the Neck: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps106lbs
DB Raises – Bent Over: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12lbs
Front BB Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps52lbs
Legs:
BB Squats: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps 180lbs180lbs
Lying Leg Curls – Single Leg: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps I use Monkey foot onthis.25-30lbs25-30lbs
DB Lunges – Walking: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps106lbs
Calf Raises – Standing: 5 sets of 10 – 15 reps106lbs
Arms:
Triceps Pushdowns – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75 -90lbs75-90lbs
Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
Overhead Triceps Extensions – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75lbs75lbs
DB Curls – Standing: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 70;bs (35lbs each)70lbs/35lb ea
Reverse Grip Chin–Ups: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Preacher Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps using bicep brace 70-75lbs, heavy negatives here.70-75lbs
Forearm Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 10 reps45lbs45lbs
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@man05 good you got the weights going

and every day you cant do same weights, you need to modify and tell us how the weights are changing
 
man05 said:
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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@man05 3 times per week try to updates us at least and especially during your injection days
 
man05 said:
At minimum effective level of Tren E wouldn't that be about 100mg per week? Mixed with Deca another nor 19 seems like that might be too much, I am more than likely incorrect but I would be concerned about Introducing two new compounds on top of TestC and not knowing which was causing any potential sides. I have run 500mg test and 300or so of NPP in the past with no issues, it was amazing. I would like to try tren at least once though that being said wouldn't Tren A be better served in a cutting cycle with test and Masteron and some anavar?
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@man05 forget trenbolone @BodyMonster34 pushes tren on everyone hes a beast lol

stick to your original cycle with testosterone masteron anavar

250mgs testosterone enanthate
200mgs masteron
50mgs anavar
7caps n2guard

but you're on TRT and DECA now so you need to be accountable now what is your diet like now? before you start the cycle lets see your diet seriously @man05 lets see more updates on diet
 
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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thats the wrong way to go, you need to be accountable NOW start logging NOW
 
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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g2g log start but accountability starts right now this moment bro
 
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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Be a real man @man05 and start that update daily now not later.
 
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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true results come from true dedication thats updating TRT before even cycle
 
Guys are right, if you cant be accountable now you have no business using a full steroid cycle imo.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@man05 forget trenbolone @BodyMonster34 pushes tren on everyone hes a beast lol

stick to your original cycle with testosterone masteron anavar

250mgs testosterone enanthate
200mgs masteron
50mgs anavar
7caps n2guard

but you're on TRT and DECA now so you need to be accountable now what is your diet like now? before you start the cycle lets see your diet seriously @man05 lets see more updates on diet
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Right now I am only on 260mg per week of test c. My trt doc mentioned adding deca and that 200mg per week would only be the start that I could increase. I am not sure if I stick to 260mg test c and 200 mg deca or increase the test and the deca after the first month. I have plenty of test c, npp and three bottle of mast e, plenty of ancillaries.
Thoughts?
 
Most days I aim for 300gr protein and I have been eating 350-400grams of carbs and watching fat intake unless it’s plant based.

I never really logged what I ate and sort of eyeballed my workouts based on how I felt through perceived exertion. I can easily record this in excel daily.

Example of what I ate today

Two 60 gram protein shakes with milk and bananas and fruit. One for breakfast with 2 cups of oatmeal and nuts the second shake around 3pm.
Lunch 6 ounces of grilled steak sweet potatoes and some more oatmeal.
Greek yogurt, nuts and fruit
Dinner 5 grilled chicken thighs wrapped in a tortilla with lettuce and yogurt sauce.
Protein shake with water an hour before bed

Is that enough detail on meals or do you want to see macro breakdown?

This is all making sense to me now, it’s a barometer of physical performance, I get it now.

Thank you all
 
man05 said:
So once I start my cycle, I was planning on keeping a detailed record of what I eat, what I lift, what my reps are and what I'm taking and try to update it here twice a week possibly three times for the duration of my entire cycle. I would also do the same thing during a cut cycle to which I have never done to this point. Thank you guys for your experience and expertise, but more importantly thank you for the accountability.
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That's why we like logs
 
man05 said:
Here are my sets, reps and weights.
Push pull
Push 1BarbellRegular Bench Press4 x 585-215lbs
BarbellClose grip bench3 x 12, 8, 6145-165lbs
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-1285lbs
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
12lbs
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-1215lbs
Push 2BarbellClose grip bench4 x 5
BarbellRegular Bench Press3 x 8-12
Multi-grip BarbellStanding overhead press3 x 8-12
DumbbellLateral raises4 x 12-15
DumbbellChest supported rear delt flies3 x 8-12
Pull 1Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows4 x 5135lbs
Free weightsPull ups3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 5-8
DumbellChest supported dumbbell rows3 x 8-12110lbs
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 8-1270lbs
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8205lbs
Pull 2Free weightsPull ups4 x 5
Multi-grip BarbellBent over rows3 x 8-12
Free weightsChin up3 x 8-12
DumbellChest supported rows3 x 8-12
Ez-curl barStanding curls3 x 5-8
BarbellStanding shrugs3 x 6-8
Leg 1+2BarbellLow back squat4 x 5
Dumbbellsquat4 x 10-15225lbs
BodyweightCalf raises4 x 25+110lbs
BodyweightAb circuit routine7 mins
Mentzer
Chest:
DB Flys – Incline: 5 sets of 8 reps110lbs
BB Bench Press – Flat: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps185-205
Chest Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
DB Flys – Flat: 5 sets of 8 reps130lbs
BB Bench Press – Incline: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps155lbs
Back:
Straight Arm Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps145lbs
Reverse Close Grip Lat Pulldown: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps130lbs
Bent Over BB Rowing: 5 sets of 5 reps135lbs
DB Shrugs: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps180lbs
Upright Rowing – Barbell: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps75-85lbs
Shoulders:
DB Side Lateral Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12-15lbs
Overhead Press – Behind the Neck: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps106lbs
DB Raises – Bent Over: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps12lbs
Front BB Raises: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps52lbs
Legs:
BB Squats: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps 180lbs180lbs
Lying Leg Curls – Single Leg: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps I use Monkey foot onthis.25-30lbs25-30lbs
DB Lunges – Walking: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps106lbs
Calf Raises – Standing: 5 sets of 10 – 15 reps106lbs
Arms:
Triceps Pushdowns – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75 -90lbs75-90lbs
Dips – Bodyweight: 5 sets of 10 reps
Overhead Triceps Extensions – Cable: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 75lbs75lbs
DB Curls – Standing: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps 70;bs (35lbs each)70lbs/35lb ea
Reverse Grip Chin–Ups: 5 sets of 6 – 8 reps
Preacher Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 8 – 10 reps using bicep brace 70-75lbs, heavy negatives here.70-75lbs
Forearm Curls – Barbell: 5 sets of 10 reps45lbs45lbs
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great update bro
 
So am I to just keep working out for fun as I normally do and just document food and weights before I actually start a cycle with deca and any test modifications?
 
260mg for trt? That is not good for you long term to constantly redline your endocrine system like that. Your trt is what I cycle for testosterone cypionate when I do cycle, I would seriously consider lowering that trt because you are basically cycling year round with that.
 
Topps_Baseball88 said:
260mg for trt? That is not good for you long term to constantly redline your endocrine system like that. Your trt is what I cycle for testosterone cypionate when I do cycle, I would seriously consider lowering that trt because you are basically cycling year round with that.
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My doctor increased my dosage from 200 to 260 as my test level was only around 900 and he wanted it at the optimal level. Prior to trt I was 48 and hitting 285 test levels. I would bust my butt doing kettlebell routines and trying to increase bench all I was getting was emaciated and so ripped it wasn’t funny, I could not gain much if any muscle at all and I was eating over 4k calories per day. Thank you for your input, I appreciate it.
 
man05 said:
My doctor increased my dosage from 200 to 260 as my test level was only around 900 and he wanted it at the optimal level. Prior to trt I was 48 and hitting 285 test levels. I would bust my butt doing kettlebell routines and trying to increase bench all I was getting was emaciated and so ripped it wasn’t funny, I could not gain much if any muscle at all and I was eating over 4k calories per day. Thank you for your input, I appreciate it.
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I'm 35 and my levels are 671 with my trt, just wanted to say be careful is all because that is alot for trt for a long time, atleast u are under doctor supervision with it so that is a good thing.
 
Thank you for that, I have emailed my doctors office and will post what the response is.
Right now I’m only on TRT with test, 1. For my health and well being and 2. Trying to build some muscle. I am trying to determine which cycle to run to build some more size before winter vacation in December. Having run npp as high 300mg per week I am not sure how the long water reacts, if I stick with 200 per week or 300 per week and bump test to 300-360 range or deca at 260 and test at 300, close to that 1:1 ratio. Doctor said sides are generally limited near 1:1 as long as they are equal or test is slightly higher but not to double to 2:1 as the extra test can cause sides.

I am proceeding cautiously, no need to be reckless in my opinion.
 
man05 said:
So am I to just keep working out for fun as I normally do and just document food and weights before I actually start a cycle with deca and any test modifications?
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@man05 you should keep the food and training logged and start based on the changes we told you, keep going with updates here before the first injection, we'll help you with mods
we havent gotten a baseline yet
 
man05 said:
Most days I aim for 300gr protein and I have been eating 350-400grams of carbs and watching fat intake unless it’s plant based.

I never really logged what I ate and sort of eyeballed my workouts based on how I felt through perceived exertion. I can easily record this in excel daily.

Example of what I ate today

Two 60 gram protein shakes with milk and bananas and fruit. One for breakfast with 2 cups of oatmeal and nuts the second shake around 3pm.
Lunch 6 ounces of grilled steak sweet potatoes and some more oatmeal.
Greek yogurt, nuts and fruit
Dinner 5 grilled chicken thighs wrapped in a tortilla with lettuce and yogurt sauce.
Protein shake with water an hour before bed

Is that enough detail on meals or do you want to see macro breakdown?

This is all making sense to me now, it’s a barometer of physical performance, I get it now.

Thank you all
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@man05 see examples but no details lets get a good macro breakdown

you seem like your carbs are higher and fat is low you need a lot more fat

If you can do excel do it and paste here. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
 
man05 said:
Thank you for that, I have emailed my doctors office and will post what the response is.
Right now I’m only on TRT with test, 1. For my health and well being and 2. Trying to build some muscle. I am trying to determine which cycle to run to build some more size before winter vacation in December. Having run npp as high 300mg per week I am not sure how the long water reacts, if I stick with 200 per week or 300 per week and bump test to 300-360 range or deca at 260 and test at 300, close to that 1:1 ratio. Doctor said sides are generally limited near 1:1 as long as they are equal or test is slightly higher but not to double to 2:1 as the extra test can cause sides.

I am proceeding cautiously, no need to be reckless in my opinion.
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deca test together will cause water issues
 
i want to see more log updates but start pinning 200msg deca
 
i agree training diet has to be here every few days for the log to really be on point
 
stevesmi said:
if you have a good doctor then that is important
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He’s a former ibbf guy and has his phd and md specializing in hormones and endocrinology.
My last blood test which had me coming off a 500mg test and npp run for 12 weeks my blood serum was 1200.
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@man05 see examples but no details lets get a good macro breakdown

you seem like your carbs are higher and fat is low you need a lot more fat

If you can do excel do it and paste here. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
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Good suggestions
 
chesty said:
i want to see more log updates but start pinning 200msg deca
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Split that 200 to 100mgs with the test twice weekly? I will start this Monday. I have a template to use daily for weights / exercises and macros as Carbs, Fat and Protein . Does the team want macros per meal or daily net? I can do either but need to have a standard that I follow.

Thank you
 
Mid week update
Weights
DateExerciseSets x RepsWeight
7/26/2023​
Split Squat5 x 1095lbs
Calf raise(straight, sup, pronated)4x10106lbs
Walking Lunge4x1270lbs
Sumo KB squat deep3 x1270lb
7/27/2023​
Incline DB press5x8140LBS(70LBSX2)
Flat Bench BB5x6185lbs
Dips3x1015lbs on chain
Flat DB bench5 x 6140LBS(70LBSX2)
Incline BB press5 x8135lbs - pretty gassed, failed on a few on last 2 sets.
Standing deltoid raise4x 1512lb db's using great form, get a good burn.
Chest supported deltoid raise4x1215lb dumbells, I can hit 20 in a few weeks.
7/28/2023​
7/29/2023​
Next update Saturday evening macros and weights.
Macro content below.
Meal 6 recorded prior to dinner but I counted the macros and Meal 7 is a whey shake before bed.
DateMeal 1Meal 2Meal 3Meal 4Meal 5Meal 6Meal 7Meal 8Net
7/27/2023​
Protein
70​
58​
35​
30​
50​
40​
40​
0​
323​
Fat
30​
29​
1​
29​
5​
20​
1​
115​
Carbs
170​
36​
42​
36​
19​
60​
20​
383​

If this format works I will make this stick and update three times per week (Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday) if that is acceptable to you guys.
As to Fats, Olive oil, plant based fats, almonds, peanut butter, is this acceptable? I am open to any and all suggestions.
As to the cycle I am starting Monday I have read about aromatization from Test and Deca, apart from adex during the week anything else I can be looking into? Masteron I understand has some estrogenic impact but is that worth it to use now versus later say post cycle when I try to get cut a little bit for family vacation?
As to Monday and Thursdays pins I am looking at Test and Deca, is there any need to kick start the cycle with 50mg NPP with the Deca for the first four weeks or simply stick with Test and deca and roll for 16 weeks? From what I have read from you all except for a few stick with 260mg Test and 200 Deca, if that's the plan then I will stay the course and make adjustments down the road with your guidance. If you have any other concerns or suggestions please throw them my way, I have thick skin.

Thank you guys so much!

Mark
 
man05 said:
Split that 200 to 100mgs with the test twice weekly? I will start this Monday. I have a template to use daily for weights / exercises and macros as Carbs, Fat and Protein . Does the team want macros per meal or daily net? I can do either but need to have a standard that I follow.

Thank you
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@man05 100mgs deca monday 100mgs deca thursday and you need to up the protein and fats and get carbs around 100 grams
 
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