My First Pins (Test E and extreme soreness)

[freakshow85]

So, I finally found a hook up, locally, for any type of juice I want. Don't worry, I'm not bragging, the guy I get it from gets it from someone else, who I'm pretty sure is just buying it online and adding 10 dollars to a vial.

My friend is running this and Tren, and it's his first time ever messing with hormones. I feel sorry for him, tbh, from everything I've seen and read.... Tren + 1st timer = no. But, on to my story...

Well, I bought 2x vials of Test E. It is 300mg/ml. 2% Benzyl Alcohol NF, 15% Benzyl Benzoate USP. Says "Made and distributed in the European Union" Friend had a couple of pins he gave me (unopened) until I can purchase some Monday. This Saturday (tomorrow) will be 1 week from my first pin. I don't know what gauge these pins are, but they look a good 1.5" long and like something you'd use on a horse... or possibly an elephant. Ok, I am slightly joking.

He pinned me in my glute Saturday. Next day, there was a golf size ball on my ass and it was red and hot. Could barely sit in my car. It got redder and hotter and stayed painful and hot/red for 4 or 5 days, until yesterday the redness almost went away and today the redness is practically gone, but it is improving dramatically.

I'm guessing he didn't get it in the muscle and it abscessed. Without telling you how much of a loser I've been in my life before, I have had an abscess before and it made me so sick, I had to go to the hospital and have it lanced open. I was a clean IV'er, but I had missed 2 times in the same area. I'm not afraid of pins One way you aspirate and want blood, and this way I aspirate and need to miss.

Ok, well, even with the hot, red golfball in my ass cheek, I pinned on Tuesday and decided to go for my quad. Researched more (even though I've "researched" for over 2 years in a row) and made the pin. Was pushing into my quad, it just popped in and went all the way. My leg twitched a little... I'm assuming I hit a nerve??? But, the reason I thought I maybe didn't hit a nerve was because it didn't "hurt", it just felt weird like ... well ... pushing on the nerve for your "funny bone" or something. I went ahead and pushed the juice in, slowly over about 20-25 seconds. No pain. 2 hours later... pain starts coming on. By the end of the day, I was afraid I was going to have to miss work the next day because I walk all day.

Now, please, just bare with me and pretend I'm not a huge wimp. A little uncomfortableness or pain is nothing to me, but this... THIS... omg. I can barely bend my leg. I can hardly get into my car, and it's a Mustang GT, so it's not like I have to pick my leg up all that high. I've been heat padding and rubbing both injection sites a few times a day. My quad never turned red at all or got hot, but seriously... there is extreme pain in it when I bend my knee or need to pick my leg up.

Is this some dirty gear? Was I stupid when I pushed the gear in the same spot where I felt the twinge or tingle through my leg? Tomorrow is my 3rd time to pin, and I'm afraid to go in my left quad as I will hardly be able to walk. What do you guys think about it all?

 

[RADAR]

sounds like too much alcohol , someone got lazy mixing it, put an 18g in the rubber stopper in the vial don't let it touch the solution bake at 150 degrees for 15 mins. this will allow some of the alcohol to evaporate.

Or you could delute it with more oil.

 

[freakshow85]

Thanks, which method would you prefer? I'm ordering pins Monday, so I can get some 18g. How would that affect what amount to put in the syringe? I had thought about diluting it with more oil. 300mg/ml for Test E seemed a little stout.

 

[joeblow12345]

If you have some sterile oil then I'd dilute it. You can sterilize it yourself buys its easier just to buy it already sterile. If you need pins just go to tractor supply and pick a few up until you order some. A 6 pack is like a buck or two and they carry 18g-22g. You have to order 23g and 25g, which are still dirt cheap.

 

[freakshow85]

Interesting, man, didn't know I could go to a tractor supply store to get pins. Should I just go there and get some 22g pins to pin with? Or are you implying I should go there to get the 18g pin to try Radar's idea?

I should also mention, the pain goes from my upper quad, where I injected, almost all the way down to, or 4" above, my knee. And I have long legs, lol. And it's truly extreme soreness/pain. I would imagine it's what being hit in the leg with a baseball bat a few times would feel like. If someone was to grab my thigh, I'd freak out.

 

[joeblow12345]

Interesting, man, didn't know I could go to a tractor supply store to get pins. Should I just go there and get some 22g pins to pin with? Or are you implying I should go there to get the 18g pin to try Radar's idea?

I should also mention, the pain goes from my upper quad, where I injected, almost all the way down to, or 4" above, my knee. And I have long legs, lol. And it's truly extreme soreness/pain. I would imagine it's what being hit in the leg with a baseball bat a few times would feel like. If someone was to grab my thigh, I'd freak out.

Ya it's the way they made it that's causing that. It wasn't brewed very well. Long estered test should have almost no pip at all. I'd understand if it were test prop. You can try radars solution or just dilute it down. Either way you want to do it. If you wanna pin with 22g then get those at tractor supply. I do recommend picking up some 18's to draw with.They make life a lot easier. I personally use 25g to pin with as they are painless. The 22's aren't bad though. If you just want to get your pins now and not wait then tractor supply is your best option.

 

[freakshow85]

Ok, I am going to head to the nearest TSC (Tractor Supply), 35 miles away, and let everyone know how that goes. Going to pick up one 18g to do radar's idea (if I can buy one at a time), and a 22g 1.5'' to try and pin with. I'm going to have to find new gear if this doesn't work. It almost lays me up in bed, lol. I mean, I can walk around, but throughout the day, at times, if I step wrong, I feel like my leg is going to quiver and give out. It's killing me at my job. I have to move fast and can't. I keep getting ''hustle'' and ''pick up the pace'' and I haven't told anyone I'm even hurting.

 

[RADAR]

I have some test E that was doing me the same way, I hated looking forward to injecting that stuff HURT! after cooking it ,it goes in smoothly and now it's painless.
I use an 18G to fill my syringe (Takes about 6 seconds) and then inject with a 23-25g.


Good luck!

 

[freakshow85]

Thanks, man! I just made it back. They didn't have any 22g 1.5", only in 1" and 3/4". But I picked up a 6 pack (didn't have any less) of 18g 1.5" to vent the bottle and I have the oven pre-heating right now. Gonna put it in at 150 for 15 mins.

 

[RADAR]

Thanks, man! I just made it back. They didn't have any 22g 1.5", only in 1" and 3/4". But I picked up a 6 pack (didn't have any less) of 18g 1.5" to vent the bottle and I have the oven pre-heating right now. Gonna put it in at 150 for 15 mins.

Keep a close eye on it ,some ovens run alot hotter than others.

 

[freakshow85]

Yeah, I stuck around peeping in at it lol. I have it out now, sitting here. I still have the 18g in it. When do I take that out? It's not too hot at all, but it is pretty warm. It was very hot when it came out, lol... I am a hands on kind of guy.

I am stoked. I am really hoping this helps. The pain is severe lmfao!

 

[RADAR]

you can remove it now .you followed the exact protocol allowing it to cool before removing the pin, this lets the pressure in the vial stablize .

 

[freakshow85]

Awesome. Thanks for all that advice. I hope this is the cause of the problem. So now... should I try my left quad? Or should I try my left glute? Or should I hit my delt? I was thinking glute, if I can do it. I'd "rather" do quad because it's right there in front of me and I can see what's going on, being a noob. I'm just afraid that if this happens again in my left quad, I'm going to be in a wheelchair.

 

[RADAR]

Delts are my favorite area, just saying.

 

[freakshow85]

I have done my pin in my quad already. Hopefully it doesn't do exactly the same. I felt no twinges this time. I am lying in bed with a heatpack on it. I contemplated delts very hard. I pretended to do my glute and didn't see how I can even do that. Then again, pinning is all new to me. I hope I didn't mess up. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Btw, is 1.5'' too deep for delts?

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[RADAR]

I have done my pin in my quad already. Hopefully it doesn't do exactly the same. I felt no twinges this time. I am lying in bed with a heatpack on it. I contemplated delts very hard. I pretended to do my glute and didn't see how I can even do that. Then again, pinning is all new to me. I hope I didn't mess up. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Btw, is 1.5'' too deep for delts?

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Nope! Thats what i use.

 

[freakshow85]

Well, it's been over 2 and a half hours since my pin after baking it and trying my left quad. I feel zero pain right now. 4 days ago, when I pinned my right quad, it started getting sore by now and worse every hour. I don't want to get my hopes up too soon, but this is already going better than my previous pin.

 

[RADAR]

how you holding up now ? Any pain?

 

[freakshow85]

I am very happy. It maybe feels a little bruised, but believe me, it is nothing to my other leg and doesn't bother my movements. I just hope it isn't bad in the morning. I want to say it will be fine. I will update. I know before, I was crippled by now, so I am feeling hyped about this. Thanks a ton, man.

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[RADAR]

Great!

 

[freakshow85]

Ok, I woke up this morning, it is much stiffer than last night. Oddly enough, the pain is bad, but still not as crippling as the other leg was. Is this because I have unpinned muscle? Or do you think it's the BA. I am almost tempted to bake it one more time, but don't want to ruin anything..

The pain feels like it comes from being EXTREMELY tight in an 8-10" area around injection point, primarily from injection point on down my leg.

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[Bulldog333]

Really been enjoying the info in this thread. I also am experiencing similar issues with the gear I'm running test 250. The supplier is gtg so I don't question the potency of the gear but I keep wondering why I'm sore or "bruised" feeling after each injection. I did some research and found that the lab I'm using often has an additive called ethyl oleate(EO). It serves as a solvent to help "thin" the gear and allow for more test to be dissolved in the solution. The problem with the EO is some people are allergic to it and report the same symptoms that you and I have been experiencing. I hope some of the more educated bros will weigh in on this bit of information and hopefully elaborate for us.

Also radar after you heat your gear to burn off excess alcohol will the amount of fluid be different enough to change your dosage?

 

[DanoC]

I've been enjoying this thread too. I just started pinning for the first time 2 weeks ago, and just did my 4th one. I started in the quad, and proceeded to hobble around for the next week and a half. Seriously, from the injection spot to down my leg, it was horrible: hot to the touch, swollen, and hurt like a bitch. I even went as for as going to the small clinic they have at Kroger (grocercy in Ohio) because i didn't want to have to deal with my doctor. Long story short, I never went in, and suffered thru it. I pinned on Wed and by Monday I was feeling SOME relief. But its been a week and a half since my first pin and, while the swelling has gone down and I walk fine now, there is still a slight twinge of pain when i bent it all the way. I went for the glutes, and its like butter. Def better for me. It was sore a bit for a few days, but shit, it gets better every time. I'm ignorant of BA or BB info, but don't underestimate virgin muscle and having a 1 inch needle stuck into it, injecting a thick foreign substance. I warm my gear up and massage the fuck outta the muscle for a couple minutes after. good luck dude.

 

[freakshow85]

Thanks for the responses, glad to know I'm not alone and it's understood I'm not just being a wimp. The pain I had from my right quad was damn near unbearable considering I have a job and life. If I could have laid back and watched tv for 5 days, it wouldn't have been so bad.

If it does this exact thing in my delt, I'm going to be screwed as far as working out. With a 1.5'' pin, how deep do I go in my delt? And do you mean the outer delt? My front delts are quite veiny, too. I don't think I can hit my glute on my own, either. Even if I was to get it in, I don't see how I can push it in me. I don't think I'm flexible enough for that.

After taking Radar's advice and baking the gear, I'd have to say my left quad had about 60% left pain the next day than my right quad did the next day. That got me wondering a lot of things. Was it the BA? Was it my technique? So many factors. It made me want to bake it again and see if it helped that much again. But also, I plan on doing glutes if I can man up and twist that much, or delts. Either way, I can't do my quads for awhile, I'm sure.

 

[98camarozzz]

Loving this thread so far, all of Radar's useful knowledge! I just pinned this morning, first 3-4 shots were 100% painless a TINY bit of soreness the next day. I pinned last thusday morning and my left delt is still kinda sore, worst Pip i've ever had; I narrowed it down to moving the needle too much during Aspiration and injecting too fast. Using 25g 1'' for delts, sinking the needle to the plastic, not sure which mod was telling me to stop Aspirating but im taking his advice. Fuck that, that causes WAY to much unnecessary needle movement!

 

[RADAR]

Really been enjoying the info in this thread. I also am experiencing similar issues with the gear I'm running test 250. The supplier is gtg so I don't question the potency of the gear but I keep wondering why I'm sore or "bruised" feeling after each injection. I did some research and found that the lab I'm using often has an additive called ethyl oleate(EO). It serves as a solvent to help "thin" the gear and allow for more test to be dissolved in the solution. The problem with the EO is some people are allergic to it and report the same symptoms that you and I have been experiencing. I hope some of the more educated bros will weigh in on this bit of information and hopefully elaborate for us.

Also radar after you heat your gear to burn off excess alcohol will the amount of fluid be different enough to change your dosage?

Nope, not at all ,the amount burned off will not be noticable.
Also some may cook the vial for 20 min instead of 15 due to variations in the oven's temperature.

 

[RADAR]

I have done my pin in my quad already. Hopefully it doesn't do exactly the same. I felt no twinges this time. I am lying in bed with a heatpack on it. I contemplated delts very hard. I pretended to do my glute and didn't see how I can even do that. Then again, pinning is all new to me. I hope I didn't mess up. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Btw, is 1.5'' too deep for delts?

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I use a 1.5 for delts never had a problem with it.

 

[RADAR]

Really been enjoying the info in this thread. I also am experiencing similar issues with the gear I'm running test 250. The supplier is gtg so I don't question the potency of the gear but I keep wondering why I'm sore or "bruised" feeling after each injection. I did some research and found that the lab I'm using often has an additive called ethyl oleate(EO). It serves as a solvent to help "thin" the gear and allow for more test to be dissolved in the solution. The problem with the EO is some people are allergic to it and report the same symptoms that you and I have been experiencing. I hope some of the more educated bros will weigh in on this bit of information and hopefully elaborate for us.

Also radar after you heat your gear to burn off excess alcohol will the amount of fluid be different enough to change your dosage?

If you're not allergic to EO, it makes the gear smoother (and almost like water) and everytime i used it ,everything was completely painless the next day.

 

[RADAR]

Thanks for the responses, glad to know I'm not alone and it's understood I'm not just being a wimp. The pain I had from my right quad was damn near unbearable considering I have a job and life. If I could have laid back and watched tv for 5 days, it wouldn't have been so bad.

If it does this exact thing in my delt, I'm going to be screwed as far as working out. With a 1.5'' pin, how deep do I go in my delt? And do you mean the outer delt? My front delts are quite veiny, too. I don't think I can hit my glute on my own, either. Even if I was to get it in, I don't see how I can push it in me. I don't think I'm flexible enough for that.

After taking Radar's advice and baking the gear, I'd have to say my left quad had about 60% left pain the next day than my right quad did the next day. That got me wondering a lot of things. Was it the BA? Was it my technique? So many factors. It made me want to bake it again and see if it helped that much again. But also, I plan on doing glutes if I can man up and twist that much, or delts. Either way, I can't do my quads for awhile, I'm sure.

Due to variations in oven temperture you could probably get by baking it for about 5-6 min, you don't want to remove all alcohol, just enough too keep things sterile.

 

[RADAR]

Loving this thread so far, all of Radar's useful knowledge! I just pinned this morning, first 3-4 shots were 100% painless a TINY bit of soreness the next day. I pinned last thusday morning and my left delt is still kinda sore, worst Pip i've ever had; I narrowed it down to moving the needle too much during Aspiration and injecting too fast. Using 25g 1'' for delts, sinking the needle to the plastic, not sure which mod was telling me to stop Aspirating but im taking his advice. Fuck that, that causes WAY to much unnecessary needle movement!

it was probably me, over the yrs i found that aspirating was a waste of time.

 

[freakshow85]

Ok, where I had done my left quad Saturday, I had to call in to work today. I can hardly bend my leg. It is red, tight, and very painful. Fml seriously.

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[plazmic]

it was probably me, over the yrs i found that aspirating was a waste of time.

+1. The movement can cause painful tissue damage which could be contributing to OP's issues. Today, nurses and medical professionals are taught to never aspirate.

freakshow85, I'd also recommend you give delts a shot. I've found injecting about .5 to 1 inch to the rear (from the normal middle delt line) causes virtually no soreness with 1ml every day... more with a lower frequency.

 

[freakshow85]

I pinned my delt yesterday afternoon with a 1", went almost all the way in. I can handle this kind of PIP, it's not really too bad. It's the first time I've pinned my delt, so "virgin muscle" considered, I'm very happy with how it's feeling right now.

My quad, on the other hand, has made me miserable. I've been damn near immobile for 10 days now, from my right quad, and now my left quad. Actually had to call into work this morning, my job is 100% standing and walking. I was limping it out, but last night it was worse, and this morning I knew I wasn't going to make it.

I took some Benadryl this morning, along with some Ibuprofen, and it's helped a noticeable amount. It's helped more than when I have taken Ibuprofen alone for it. But, it could all just be coincidence.

I've also read a lot of people just can't do quad shots. Whether it's their (and my) technique, the gear, or what, some people say they just can not handle quad shots, it cripples them. I dunno what it is, but I doubt I will ever attempt a quad shot again if I live through this.

 

[z28blak]

Well I'm in same spot but mine is a little different pinned Monday 2cc sust 325 no pain redness everything good but today wed it's very sore and I'm feeling groggy and not very motivated to do much any thoughts

 

[freakshow85]

My left quad is still red, tight, swollen. My left delt is now red mid ways down onto some of my bicep... kinda rectangularish. Can anyone tell me if this is normal for a first timer or am I having a reaction to something in the gear? Or is it straight up dirty gear?

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[plazmic]

My left quad is still red, tight, swollen. My left delt is now red mid ways down onto some of my bicep... kinda rectangularish. Can anyone tell me if this is normal for a first timer or am I having a reaction to something in the gear? Or is it straight up dirty gear?

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I occasionally get slightly red, non-elevated areas that move across my delts/bis over time. Usually from prop with oils I react poorly to. In my cases, the gear was clean; I just don't respond well to grapeseed oil and sesame to a lesser degree when it leaks into subq tissue.

Do you have oil drip out after injection? Practice z-track and keep that oil IM the best you can.

 

[freakshow85]

I'll look into ztrack, although I haven't bled or dripped anywhere, yet.

This patch on my delt/arm has me concerned, though. It's warm, it looks like a sun burn. It's like... From the point of injection, 6 inches down my arm in a squarish patch. What bell does this ding for you guys? Leaning more towards an irritation from a substance since I'm not abscessing?

Also, I should say that through my pushing, when I'm almost done pushing it all in over 20 - 25 seconds, it starts to burn ever so slightly that last 4 or 5 seconds. I just figured that was normal, guess I can ask now.
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[joeblow12345]

Bro its got to be the mix doing this. None of this shit is normal. I pin every week, and on blasts multiple times a week with no pip at all and zero redness. That alcohol content or the oil must be what's getting you. If it was dirty gear you'd be sick by now. Did you dilute it before you pinned like I suggested? If you did and it didn't work then trash it and get some from a different source. This is why you have to be weary of those super concentrated blends. Some people don't know what the hell they are doing and can't brew it right.

 

[eatyourwheaties]

i just read this and having the same problem so trying to cook it although i dont have any 18g doing it with a 21g see how that works today is another pin and not looking forward to soreness for days my last test E cycle was perfect no soreness at all and could workout for day i hope this works

 

[JMR2006]

Not to bring back an old thread but great read for newbees... Virgin muscle hurts like hell, good to know its a normal thing for first timers.