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My 1-AD experience: 5 weeks on 5 weeks off

SilentSurfer

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Hi, guys. This is my first post on this board. If you're interested, here's my recent 1-AD experience. I hope you find it helpful:

A little history. I'm 38 years old. 5'8" tall. Started my 1-AD cycle on June 15st at 165 lbs (including a creatine load).

I measured my fat changes during the cycle using a skinfold caliper at 2 locations (my toughest places to lose) so rather than percentages I have navel and "love handle" pinch measurements in milimeters. These provide sufficient relative fat measurements.

I'm a lifetime natural. Done a few prohormones over the last 3 years, but never found them very effective.

Now, don't laugh, I'm not a hardcore lifter. I was a diver in highschool and college and had a leaner gymnast-type body then.

So here's where I started: June 15, 2001.
Weight: 165
Fat: 13mm navel, 17mm love handles
Leg press: 504 for 12 x 2
Leg ext: 170 for 12 x 2
Leg curl: 95 for 12 x 2
Machine flys: 110 for 12 x 2
Machine pullovers: 120 for 12 x 2
Machine delt raises: 110 for 12 x 2
Cable pull downs: 120 for 12 x 2

And here's where I ended the cycle on 7/22:
Weight: 182 lbs
Fat: 14mm navel, 17mm love handles
Leg press: 630 for 12 x 2
Leg ext: 300 for 12 x 2
Leg curl: 135 for 12, 10
Machine flys: 180 for 12 x 2
Machine pullovers: 180 for 12 x 2
Machine delt raises: 150 for 12 x 2
Cable pull downs: 180 for 10 x 2

Now, 5 weeks after the end of the cycle:
Weight: 180
Fat: 15mm navel, 17mm love handles

I took 1 1-AD pill 3 times a day for a total of 3 per day for 5 weeks. This is the smallest dose recommended. I took creatine (no change from previous at 5g per day) and ZMA, 3 caps per night. No other suppliments. Diet was unchanged. I was eating only about 2500 to 3000 calories per day.

I worked out 3 x per week for an hour. 2 sets of about 12 exercises. 3 days per week I did 30 minutes to 1 hour of mid intensity treadmill, no running, just walking at various inclines.

I didn't feel much the first week, just some digestive discomfort if I didn't eat enough with each dose. This was not stomach pain, just a twinge of nausea and only if I didn't eat enough with the dose. BE SURE TO TAKE 1-AD WITH MEALS. Real meals, not just a protein shake. Even the new diol version needs food to aviod a pretty upset stomach in my case. I also had a fair amount of gas the whole 5 weeks.

Here's my weight and skinfold log:
6/15 165 lbs, 13/17mm (navel/love handles)
6/22 171 lbs, 14/16mm
6/30 173 lbs, 13/16mm
7/05 175 lbs, 14/16mm
7/16 177 lbs, 14/16mm
7/22 182 lbs, 14/16mm end of 5 week cycle
7/29 180 lbs, 15/16mm
8/07 179 lbs, 14/16mm
8/31 180 lbs, 15/17mm end of 5 week off period

Beginning in week 2 I started feeling amazing pumps in the gym. These felt like the extra pumps you get with creatine but multiplied by about 10. This was tremendously motivating. I couldn't waid to get back in the gym to feel it again.

Strength went up significantly. 40-70% in each lift.

About 3 weeks into it, people started to notice my physique changing. I got compliments from my family and friends about how "buff" (I know, "buff" is a relative word for me, starting out so lame). But for someone who's never been complimented on his physique, this was great.

I didn't measure chest/or arms or legs, before or after, but I've literally grown out of almost oall of my shirts and suit coats which have all become uncomfortably tight. So, budget for new clothing when you start 1-AD.

I finished the cycle on 7/22. The day after our family drove for about 4 hours to Idaho and when we arrived I found that my ankles and feet were swollen a bit. It appeared to be an accumulations of lymph fluid (known as edema). This is common with some traditional steroids, but it was a surprise to me. The swelling remained for over a week and has now subsided completely

Also, during the cycle I had some new acne. This got somewhat worse right after the cycle. I'm not talking about an embarassing amount, just a dozen or so zits on my face and arms.

Over 5 weeks after the cycle, I'm still getting good pumps in the gym, not quite like when "on" but motivating still.

I'm ready to start another cycle now. I've prepared a topical version of 1-AD (1-AD, grain alcohol, isopropyl myristate). I'll see if this provides the same gains without the gas I experienced the first time. Also, this time I'm going to eat more, especially protein, and more often and I'll drink plenty of extra water (for acne and swelling precaution). I think the post-cycle swelling I had last time could be solved with some Clomid.

All in all, I gained about 15 lbs of muscle, lots of strength and little or no fat on a single 5 week cycle of 1-AD at only 3 capsules per day. Side effects were acceptably minimal.

:newbie:
 
Good post....

when you make the topical version of 1-ad are you going to get bulk powder from somewhere or are you using the caps from the ergopharm bottle?
 
I don't know of a bulk source of 1-AD. I thought perhaps kilosports would have it, but I'm not sure their 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol will be the same thing. (anyone know for sure?). They said they'd be stocking it in about a week.

But if it is the same, I ran the numbers and found that 1-AD from Ergopharm in pill form is only 12% more than the same price as the bulk will be from kilosports. One bottle of 1-AD contains 6gm of the ingredient and costs $41.95 at comfortnuturition.com. That's $6.80 per gram. Kilosports will be $6 per gram. At 20 grams the price drops to $5 per gram. So that's a significanly better deal.

Separating the raw material from the binder that comes in the capsules is a bit of a pain, so I'd rather have the bulk powder, even if the price were the same.

All this doesn't matter much in the long run. I understand Ergopharm will do a topical when supplies allow.
 
good post

bout the same for me, 20 lbs gained after 2 cycles, no loss in bodyfat, only side effect some zits breaking out on arms, mostly forearms.
 
this sounds good but i'm waiting for the prices to go down before i try it. It's too overpriced
 
Silent Surfer...

Brock strasser from T-mag.com had this to say about making your own 1-AD....

"However, you can get 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol from at least one bulk supplement supplier on the web that I know of, so look around. 100 grams of 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol is $139.99 or $1.39 per gram (compared that to the $10 per gram for the finished product). Also, the Chinese have succeeded in making a "diol" version, something the original manufacturer couldn’t do until quite recently. I think if I were going to try 1-AD, I’d probably opt to buy the bulk powder and save 80-90% rather than buy the finished product."

The quote is a few months old, so I know the prices are a tad off.
 
forearm acne on 1-A

There's been some discussion of stomache upset if you don't eat enough food with a dose of 1-AD, but what about other side effects?

Anyone else get acne primarily on their forearms with 1-AD besides myself and billyde?

anyone else experience it from other supps/prohormones/gear?

How about welling in your feet post cycle?

What about hair loss. I'm worried about that, but did not experience any on my first 1-AD cycle. Anyone else?

Anyone had other sides?
 
Thanks, Trav.

I've seen Brock's post on t-mag. I agree that making your own with bulk powder is better.

When he posted that I went to kilosports.com and found their 5 Alpha diol powder. I was about to order some when I found another post saying that kilosports had had a miscommunication with their supplier and sent a product which was not 5 Alpha diol. They were halting shipments until they could be sure. I then confirmed this with kilosports.

Now kilosports is saying that they'll have the real stuff in a week, but the price is $60 per 10 grams, $100 for 20 grams.

Finally, I'd really like to know....
.....is 1-AD the same as 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol?

I have an inquiry into kilosports. I'll post their reply when I receive it.
 
I am pretty positive they are they same, on Ergopharm`s website the chemical 1-AD name is...

1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol.

And in another paragraph they mention the product...."Being a 5alpha-reduced androgen"...

hence... 5-Alpha-Androst-1-en-3,17 diol.
 
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