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Might get laid off. Thinking about joining army...

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So i graduated 6 months ago with a masters and BBA in accounting and been working at a big accounting firm ever since and wouldnt you know it, we are having layoffs. I have a gut feeling I will be let go due to being pretty new and other stuff. I kinda dont like it there anyhow and was looking to move back to my hometown (austin) since getting engaged. Fiance is back in austin and isnt getting out of school until a couple years and we agreed its easier and better for me to go back to austin and get a job there. But in case jobs dont work out there, Ive always had the military in the back of my mind and I know I would have lot of options with having a masters in accounting. I was thinking Warrant Officer in the finance specialist MOS. How hard is it to go that route?
I do have marine corps basic under my belt (15 years ago) and wonder if that would substitute for army basic, or do I have to go through the whole thing as if I never was in?
Thanks
 
Do it after you buy your boat and become a landlord
are you related to CW? Always looking for a change?

BTW I hope you don't get laid off bro
Never want to see that stuff on here
 
chewyxrage said:
There's always a job for accountants, man. I wouldn't stress about it too much.

Update your resume and start looking.
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i already have but might go talk to a recruiter just to get it out of my system and get the info.
 
No offense SD, but you must be out yo damn mind joining the Army right now.

Honestly, I've always thought about it too, but that as far as I ever got or will get.
 
superdave said:
I was thinking Warrant Officer in the finance specialist MOS. How hard is it to go that route?
I do have marine corps basic under my belt (15 years ago) and wonder if that would substitute for army basic, or do I have to go through the whole thing as if I never was in?
Thanks
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Don't believe such a thing exist :confused:

With a Master's why knot a regular commission?
 
Dude, with your skills/brains/experience, AIR FORCE. You could write your own ticket.

Edit: Whoops, sorry, just did the math. The youngest you could possibly be is 32/33. Air Force won't take you for active duty over 27.
 
musclemom said:
Dude, with your skills/brains/experience, AIR FORCE. You could write your own ticket.

Edit: Whoops, sorry, just did the math. The youngest you could possibly be is 32/33. Air Force won't take you for active duty over 27.
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+1 for the Air Force

USMC boot camp is sufficient to waive Army basic training but (and this is the big but) your gap in service may require you to go through basic again.

On the other hand you should not be thinking of enlisted with your education. See what opportunities are available for officers. Trust me, entering as an E-1 or E-3 compared to a O-1 is a huge difference, especially with the pay, and the level of B.S. you will have to deal with.
 
why warrant officer?? don't want the money??

get married, then go AirForce.. or better yet check federal employment with the degree you'd be a shoein.. or a local university.. those that can't do.. teach... good luck..
 
Army Vet said:
+1 for the Air Force

USMC boot camp is sufficient to waive Army basic training but (and this is the big but) your gap in service may require you to go through basic again.

On the other hand you should not be thinking of enlisted with your education. See what opportunities are available for officers. Trust me, entering as an E-1 or E-3 compared to a O-1 is a huge difference, especially with the pay, and the level of B.S. you will have to deal with.
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I wasnt thinking enlisted, was thinking warrant officer or officer. Why would I deal with less BS as an officer than as enlisted? I would think its the other way around, as an officer I am responsible for those under me and have to deal with bullshit from officers above.
 
Razorguns said:
Never ever ever join the us military for financial reasons. This isn't a game or a paycheck. It's life or death.

r
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For an 18 year old with no way of paying for college, loans are hard to come by, they can get paid to go to college and most likely be a better student and more successful due to the "real world" wake up call you get by serving in an "at war" Army.

Not to mention, when you compare casualty rates it's nothing like wars of the past. During the Ardennes offensive in WWII the US Army suffered 50k dead in roughly a two month period. A soldier today can get the same GI Bill without the same risk of death.
 
javaguru said:
For an 18 year old with no way of paying for college, loans are hard to come by, they can get paid to go to college and most likely be a better student and more successful due to the "real world" wake up call you get by serving in an "at war" Army.

Not to mention, when you compare casualty rates it's nothing like wars of the past. During the Ardennes offensive in WWII the US Army suffered 50k dead in roughly a two month period. A soldier today can get the same GI Bill without the same risk of death.
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Ask people what they think of soldiers who say "I don't want to go to war! I just signed up for the money".

Signing for money is fine - as long as you don't say shit when you're being deployed, treated like shit, or putting your life on the line. It's the paycheck soldiers who usually bitch the most.

r
 
superdave said:
I wasnt thinking enlisted, was thinking warrant officer or officer. Why would I deal with less BS as an officer than as enlisted? I would think its the other way around, as an officer I am responsible for those under me and have to deal with bullshit from officers above.
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Because, like any other government job, the higher your rank the higher your pay.

And in the military (perhaps even MORE so than the civilian sector), the axiom of "shit rolls downhill" very much holds true.
 
Dave, I did just run across one thing: Age waivers are possible for those with prior military service.

The military really, really likes intelligent people who know how to work computers and numbers, seriously. Recruiters are HIGHLY motivated, and creative, individuals.
 
Razorguns said:
Ask people what they think of soldiers who say "I don't want to go to war! I just signed up for the money".

Signing for money is fine - as long as you don't say shit when you're being deployed, treated like shit, or putting your life on the line. It's the paycheck soldiers who usually bitch the most.

r
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When I was deployed to the Gulf, all I said was.."you signed the contract" and they manned up. That was back in 1990 when we had defeated communism and the world was supposed to be a magically peaceful place. I can't imagine an 18 year old enlisting since 2001 that didn't understand they could go to a foreign country and risk death.
 
musclemom said:
Dave, I did just run across one thing: Age waivers are possible for those with prior military service.

The military really, really likes intelligent people who know how to work computers and numbers, seriously. Recruiters are HIGHLY motivated, and creative, individuals.
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fuck, am i that old
besides, "prior service" is used very lightly in my case: i got through marine boot, did a few weekend drills then quit at about 6 months. Im hoping that wont be a serious factor since it happened 15 years ago
 
superdave said:
fuck, am i that old
besides, "prior service" is used very lightly in my case: i got through marine boot, did a few weekend drills then quit at about 6 months. Im hoping that wont be a serious factor since it happened 15 years ago
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About.com has a really terrific military section, here's the age limits by branch:

* Active duty Army - 42
* Army Reserves - 42
* Army Natinal Guard - 42
* Active duty Air Force - 27
* Air Force Reserve - 34
* Air National guard - 34
* Active duty Navy - 34
* Navy Reserves - 39
* Active duty Marines - 28
* Marine Corps Reserves - 29
* Active duty Coast Guard - 27
* Coast Guard Reserves - 27

Age waivers are possible for those with prior military service.

Do with it what you will. In terms of branches to enlist, IMO they fall like this: Air Force/ANG, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard (but you REALLY fucking have to love the water), Army.

It's actually a toss up whether Marines or Coasties have the shittier basic, seriously. Coasties don't have to hold to the same federal legal standards the other branches do (they are evil to those boys). The Marines are brutal, but at least there are rules (but you've been there). Air Force and Navy, IMHO, potentially set you up for life better. More education opportunities.
 
musclemom said:
Air Force and Navy, IMHO, potentially set you up for life better. More education opportunities.
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ait force is out, too old. and for navy i have 11 months until im not 34 anymore. except i have this thing with my ear where i cant get any water in it since having surgery and a tube put in it last year. Plus I would be out at sea and shit, which im not too keen on.
 
superdave said:
ait force is out, too old. and for navy i have 11 months until im not 34 anymore. except i have this thing with my ear where i cant get any water in it since having surgery and a tube put in it last year. Plus I would be out at sea and shit, which im not too keen on.
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LOL...my father enlisted in the Navy to avoid the discomforts of ground combat and rebel against my grandfather...they made him a corpsman..pwned.



I bet you could get a good gig in the Army....as an officer...believe it or not the US Army has jobs for everyone, its nickname isn't "The Corporation" for nothing...:).
 
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Join Haliburton. All the money and the government doesn't own your body.

If you're not okay with going through hell and possibly dying for causes you may or may not believe in - DO NOT - join the United States Military.

I'm happy being a civilian.

r
 
SD

Get a grip on yourself.

Take a few breaths, research this army idea so you don't feel that you haven't reseacrched all your options, plan moving and look for jobs in or near the town you want to settle down in.

:splat:
 
ortiz34 said:
Do it after you buy your boat and become a landlord
are you related to CW? Always looking for a change?

BTW I hope you don't get laid off bro
Never want to see that stuff on here
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lol douchebag.my life rules, partially because of change

anyways, military? WTF

You spent how many god damn years in school to go to the military/government sector.

jesus, someone needs to smack you upside the head
 
jesus, the military isnt my first option, just keeping an open mind in case worse comes to worse in a job search.
 
superdave said:
jesus, the military isnt my first option, just keeping an open mind in case worse comes to worse in a job search.
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Is the job market really that bad in your area ? The local glory hole or strip joint seem like a better idea... lol
 
manny78 said:
Is the job market really that bad in your area ? The local glory hole or strip joint seem like a better idea... lol
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I dont know if its that bad but I dont want to wait to find out either. Now that I think about the the Navy is probably a better option.
 
Called a navy recruiter and its a no go due to my quitting the marine reserves 14 years ago. however my DD214 reads honorable discharge, maybe the army will consider.
 
Have you thought about going to usjobs.gov and finding a government job? I hear immigration, obama's new administration, fbi, etc. are hiring.

r
 
SuperDave, I love you like a brother and YOU KNOW I don't bullshit. Do you honestly believe that you could walk into a recruiter's office and they would tell you THE TRUTH?!?!

Sweet Jesus... have you ever seen my husband print that he served but he did NOT volunteer?


Fiancee? When did THAT happen?
 
Razorguns said:
Have you thought about going to usjobs.gov and finding a government job? I hear immigration, obama's new administration, fbi, etc. are hiring.

r
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Well you are right, they need some people to teach Obomics and he can teach obomanemics. He will just have to learn the right way to count. He does have experience in math so that should be easy. I just don't get the 3+3=1
 
BIKINIMOM said:
SuperDave, I love you like a brother and YOU KNOW I don't bullshit. Do you honestly believe that you could walk into a recruiter's office and they would tell you THE TRUTH?!?!

Sweet Jesus... have you ever seen my husband print that he served but he did NOT volunteer?


Fiancee? When did THAT happen?
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They wouldnt tell me the truth thats why Im posting up on different boards for feedback. Yea Im engaged, life happens sometimes.
 
The navy, coast guard and air force have more people applying then they have positions for. So they can deny whoever they choose and increase standards.

The army and marines have the hardest job recruiting during wars (for obviuos reasons) and thus are much more aggressive in gettnig people. Also have the easiest standards. YOu can even join w/a felony! (try that in the af).

r
 
superdave said:
They wouldnt tell me the truth thats why Im posting up on different boards for feedback. Yea Im engaged, life happens sometimes.
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LOL @ "life happening".

I hope it's a GOOD happening. :)

I honestly couldn't see after all that hard work to get educated to *throw it all away* by joining the armed forces. I mean, you coulda joined up years ago and had them pay to educate you, no? It just seems a counterproductive way to do things.

I am thinkin that a recruiter whether army, navy, airforce, whathaveyou will SAY ANYTHING to get you to join. Sorta affects THEIR bonuses, ya' know?
 
fug i'd say do it, personally i'd already have done it, fug what people here say...it's not like you're going infantry or combat engineer.
get a lt job pushing papers getting crunk in the rear with the gear.
the peeps saying bad idea are happy sitting in a cubicle whittling your life away ala the ofice.
military would be much more adventurous than being a cubicle warrior ala razorguns (lol)
 
Bino said:
fug i'd say do it, personally i'd already have done it, fug what people here say...it's not like you're going infantry or combat engineer.
get a lt job pushing papers getting crunk in the rear with the gear.
the peeps saying bad idea are happy sitting in a cubicle whittling your life away ala the ofice.
military would be much more adventurous than being a cubicle warrior ala razorguns (lol)
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Im a cubicle warrior now
and fucking hate it.
 
DON'T DO IT. i just got out of the Army having your freedom taken away sucks. you don't know what you've got till it's gone. too many reasons too list on here about why you should stay out but all I can say is most people regret it.
 
machine316 said:
DON'T DO IT. i just got out of the Army having your freedom taken away sucks. you don't know what you've got till it's gone. too many reasons too list on here about why you should stay out but all I can say is most people regret it.
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what was your MOS? enlisted or officer? I would think theres a lot of difference between an enlisted infantryman and an officer in intel or finance.
 
Ummm I didn't know that you could just show up at your recruiter's office and say, "I wanna join but only if I get to start out as a general."

I mean, why not start out as one? You shooting high, why not go for the top?

'Course I don't know many peeps that were in the armed forces that WANTED to start out at the bottom.
 
superdave said:
what was your MOS? enlisted or officer? I would think theres a lot of difference between an enlisted infantryman and an officer in intel or finance.
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Army:

Speaks multiple languages = Motorpool

Degree in logistics and planning of material hamdling = Cook

Degree in Engineering (any discipline) = Supply

Experienced civilian pilot = pilot (daddy was a general)

Any dumbass = infantry

Officer material = lucky guy that has juice (or in time of war anyone that can say ask without the x)

Or in todays army anyone with teeth colored by gold or can say ask with an x (daddy was a Master Sgt)

Recruiters all lie, they tell you anything to get you to sign up, then when you show up all high and mighty there is a drill sgt that makes you feel like a little child amazed you are now on your way to learn how to rebuild a hum v engine.

Good luck! Write from the Artic, I know you can add and subtract really well. Not a great advantage in a place there are really cold everydays or in the desert.

I can't remember the Army slogun "Add all you can b"

PS MOS is not enlisted or officer it is your job classification
 
superdave said:
lol@GOM

I will be reading the fine print whatever i do.
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You can read anything you want from basic training, cause they put all the fine print in after you are on the bus after your first week of running around the camp.

Of course I hear you can hold a card up if you get tired, in your case when your fingers get tired from adding and subtracting on your calculator. OH wait bro! I forgot you are a "coooleege" boy, you get it worse than Bubba Bob from Arkansas, he already knows that he is screwed. And they don't make fun of him.

I suggest you go to the local Piggley Wiggley and try a few weeks there before you really hurt yourself.
 
yeah i was in the infantry. but still the army is the army, some jobs may suck more than others but they still have that control over you. It's not worth it. Only join the Army if you can't make it on your own, the army spoon feeds you. That's why i got out, and the reason guys stayed in is because they got comfortable and didn't care that they were unhappy.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
You can read anything you want from basic training, cause they put all the fine print in after you are on the bus after your first week of running around the camp.

Of course I hear you can hold a card up if you get tired, in your case when your fingers get tired from adding and subtracting on your calculator. OH wait bro! I forgot you are a "coooleege" boy, you get it worse than Bubba Bob from Arkansas, he already knows that he is screwed. And they don't make fun of him.

I suggest you go to the local Piggley Wiggley and try a few weeks there before you really hurt yourself.
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Im exempt from basic (been to marine basic, not exactly piggly wiggly) so its direct to OCS where they are all coooleege grads. thats not exactly something they can skirt in the contract. If thats a fat lie then I would figure it out easily. Im not making any rash decisions and will get all the information I can before doing anything. I hope all vets dont act like you do when someone shows interest in serving in the military.
 
superdave said:
Im exempt from basic (been to marine basic, not exactly piggly wiggly) so its direct to OCS where they are all coooleege grads. thats not exactly something they can skirt in the contract. If thats a fat lie then I would figure it out easily. Im not making any rash decisions and will get all the information I can before doing anything. I hope all vets dont act like you do when someone shows interest in serving in the military.
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Rewad your K note

If all the guys that have just been in the Army say the same thing then I am not alone for sure. Read the post of (above)machine..

If you have been to boot camp then why didn't you stay in the Marines? You would now be somewhere looking for more ice cream for the generals dinner party (as an officer)Or who knows where, but you sure wouldn't be on EF.

Plus if you listend to me you wouldn't even think about joining. But, I am a vet, I did serve, but I was drafted. I just happened to join the Army(the day I saw my draft number, which was 3) because I didn't want to be stuck on a big boat with a bunch of guys sleeping above me.

There is no way anyone in the Army cares what your experience is, they train you to do what they want you to do.

Anyone that has ever been in the service knows you have absofuckinglootly no control where with whom or as what MOS you will be. And if you don't fit a profile your days being "exempt" are counted as 1. As I was told there are two people that are exempt from Basic and AIT those that don't join and those that don't join. This was a recruiter just a few minutes ago. More fine print I would expect. Remember, there is the Army way and there is the Army way. Marine training counts for "0"

Either way Broly, good luck. If you join or get a real job I am still old tired and sore from my time with Uncle Sam.
 
If you join - get ready for the brainwashing!!! I remember when Sgts would tell us fighting in Iraq was all about American Freedoms for our kids!! lol!!

You're a tool of the President. Government property. Don't read too much more than that. Worst thing yuou can do is join the army, and 'start thinking for yourself'. People will enjoy breaking you down if you start doing that.

Being a civilian rules!

r
 
I know a chick that got a commission in the army at age 41, no OCS and an age waiver, the army is dying for officers. After the intro to the army course they give doctors and lawyers (she's military intelligence) she went straight to OBC.
 
javaguru said:
I know a chick that got a commission in the army at age 41, no OCS and an age waiver, the army is dying for officers. After the intro to the army course they give doctors and lawyers (she's military intelligence) she went straight to OBC.
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didnt the marine corp a few years back offer a 12 month enlistment option? 1 tour and that was it? I would like that, but
 
superdave said:
got laid off today, official.
I feel like nostradamus up in this bitch
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Get a temp job to tide u over, or get UI - then Apply for a federal job.

All agencies are always hiring, plus you have none of that getting laid off, recession bullshit private sector retards always have to worry about.

r
 
Razorguns said:
Get a temp job to tide u over, or get UI - then Apply for a federal job.

All agencies are always hiring, plus you have none of that getting laid off, recession bullshit private sector retards always have to worry about.

r
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And to think I skipped over an IRS Revenue Agent position when they came to campus giving out interviews. I skipped that gem because the interviews began after the start date for the job i just lost. For the job I just lost they actually offered me a later start date haha. But I just couldnt waaaaaaaaiiit to get into this lovely accounting firm only to get shitcanned 6 months later.
And IRS plainly states on all their usajobs posting "The IRS affords quality of life with a 40-hour workweek". Try finding that statement on a public accounting firm listing, no chance.

SD pwnt by impatience/shit economy combo
 
superdave said:
And to think I skipped over an IRS Revenue Agent position when they came to campus giving out interviews. I skipped that gem because the interviews began after the start date for the job i just lost. For the job I just lost they actually offered me a later start date haha. But I just couldnt waaaaaaaaiiit to get into this lovely accounting firm only to get shitcanned 6 months later.
And IRS plainly states on all their usajobs posting "The IRS affords quality of life with a 40-hour workweek". Try finding that statement on a public accounting firm listing, no chance.

SD pwnt by impatience/shit economy combo
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UI = Unemployment Insurance.

Best decision my parents ever made - was getting a federal job. For my entire childhood, while others worry about economy, getting laid off, stress, work drama, etc. - my parents had stable good jobs for decades. We could buy a nice house, never worried about moving, no stress in the family, pension, and stable paychecks.

Plenty of people freakin' out now cuz they picked the higher private sector paycheck over stability. And now they're paying the price. There's much more competition now for federal jobs cuz of the economy - but use your veteran's status to your advantage. If you're not picky of what agency to get 'your foot in the door' - you should be able to get in within months. Once in - it's much easier to switch jobs/agencies.

r
 
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