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I was paging through my latest copy of Oxygen Mag and happened accross an Instone ad with this guy's before & after. Add says he lost 37 lbs in 4 months. Doable, yes - but I don't think he got all those muscles from taking the Leanfire he's holding in his "after" picture.

Can you gentlmen give me your opinions on how he went from his before to his after?

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that's doable. I did something similar once - and the major contributing factor was STRESS - not a bullshit supplement. I was going through a divorce
 
the-short-one said:
I was paging through my latest copy of Oxygen Mag and happened accross an Instone ad with this guy's before & after. Add says he lost 37 lbs in 4 months. Doable, yes - but I don't think he got all those muscles from taking the Leanfire he's holding in his "after" picture.

Can you gentlmen give me your opinions on how he went from his before to his after?

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doable, yes...a good personal trainer, good nutrionist, "gear" and an abundance of knowledeable people in his corner can get him like that in 4 months...I doubt that he did that with leanfire...another thing...the pics could actually not be in a 4 month span but longer...meaning it could have taken him alot longer then 4 months, but they or he said thats how long it took..
 
Unless that guy had phenomonal genetics, I can't imagine him gaining those massive arms in 4 months; even with AAS. I suspect he's either got a twin brother who's a body builder or it was done with photoshop.
 
Those before after ads are great marketing tools-but after re posing and photo retouch/lighting adjustments they're hardly the typical results the avg person will get. I remember seeing Cybergenics ads from back in the day. In some cases the before picture and after picture were 2 different people. I call it false advertising-they call it a mistake made by the graphic design department. lol
 
swordfish151 said:
doable, yes...a good personal trainer, good nutrionist, "gear" and an abundance of knowledeable people in his corner can get him like that in 4 months...I doubt that he did that with leanfire...another thing...the pics could actually not be in a 4 month span but longer...meaning it could have taken him alot longer then 4 months, but they or he said thats how long it took..
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I know the fat loss is doable, but I'm talking about the muscle gains. What's your best guess, cycle wise?
 
He might have lifted weights before and just never did cardio and/or ate like shit...had some muscle covered by a big layer of fat. I see this scenario a lot in the Hydroxycut ads. You can tell the dudes were already big and built they just had a bunch of fat. The pictures of them are probably after a cutting cycle.
Bulk cycle > pictures for ad > cut cycle > pictures for ad.

He might have juiced and/or started working out/eating/dieting like a madman.

But it seems to me the most sensible explanation is that he went on the Subway diet.
 
the-short-one said:
I know the fat loss is doable, but I'm talking about the muscle gains. What's your best guess, cycle wise?
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cycle wise? In 4 months??!! probably not..you figure a good prop/tren/eq/winny/clen/t3 cycle is about 14-16 weeks....its a great stack but wouldnt make that "kind" of change that fast in an individual....im thinking that it took this person more time to get to where he is at now and not 4 months..
 
ryan04 said:
He might have lifted weights before and just never did cardio and/or ate like shit...had some muscle covered by a big layer of fat. I see this scenario a lot in the Hydroxycut ads. You can tell the dudes were already big and built they just had a bunch of fat. The pictures of them are probably after a cutting cycle.
Bulk cycle > pictures for ad > cut cycle > pictures for ad.

He might have juiced and/or started working out/eating/dieting like a madman.

But it seems to me the most sensible explanation is that he went on the Subway diet.[/QUOTE]

lol. Subway. :D
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what a difference man! if i saw him walking my way in the pre leanfire pic, i wouldnt budge. but if it was the after pic, id move out of the way, call him sir, and give him my wallet. lol, jk. crazy how muscles and fat loss can change so much how u look. they look like different people.
 
swordfish151 said:
cycle wise? In 4 months??!! probably not..you figure a good prop/tren/eq/winny/clen/t3 cycle is about 14-16 weeks....its a great stack but wouldnt make that "kind" of change that fast in an individual....im thinking that it took this person more time to get to where he is at now and not 4 months..
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That's what pisses me off about these companies. Instone has 3 other people in the same ad with before & afters. They all lost fat and are super ripped, but none of them show this kind of muscle gain. Besides, Leanfire sucks. I got a free sample when it first came out and was not impressed.
 
the-short-one said:
That's what pisses me off about these companies. Instone has 3 other people in the same ad with before & afters. They all lost fat and are super ripped, but none of them show this kind of muscle gain. Besides, Leanfire sucks. I got a free sample when it first came out and was not impressed.
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Its a good gimmick...for those of us "educated" folk like you and I, we dont buy into the BS...but when i young person looks at that...they go buy buy buy!! shoot i was the same way at 16!
 
The muscle was there on that guy, just under the fat. Those ads definitely show light/tanning/workout pump enhancements, but many of the dudes look like former college football players at 25% bf. Many 30-something slobs who have let themselves slide still know how to train if they did in their teens/twenties. If you work at a job where you use your arms every day, they will grow. If you use your legs, they will grow.
Again, I went from 235 lbs to 185 lbs in two months. My jeans size went fron 36 waist to 28 waist. I ran alot - and hardly slept. I didn't use any gear, but the low bf illusion is always there - you look bigger when your leaner.
 
swordfish151 said:
Its a good gimmick...for those of us "educated" folk like you and I, we dont buy into the BS...but when i young person looks at that...they go buy buy buy!! shoot i was the same way at 16!
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I wish I knew at 16 what I know now. Hind sight's a bitch. :D

HOG said:
The muscle was there on that guy, just under the fat. Those ads definitely show light/tanning/workout pump enhancements, but many of the dudes look like former college football players at 25% bf. Many 30-something slobs who have let themselves slide still know how to train if they did in their teens/twenties. If you work at a job where you use your arms every day, they will grow. If you use your legs, they will grow.
Again, I went from 235 lbs to 185 lbs in two months. My jeans size went fron 36 waist to 28 waist. I ran alot - and hardly slept. I didn't use any gear, but the low bf illusion is always there - you look bigger when your leaner.
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I agree. I actually weigh 20 lbs more today than I did 2 years ago, but my clothes are 4 sizes smaller now.
 
A pump makes a HUGE difference. Take a pic of yourself hung over as shit sticking out your gut trying to look like the biggest peice of garbage you can imagine. Then a week later once your back in the swing of things pop 5 grams of arginine, do a chest workout, apply some pro-tan and chances are your going to look like a different person.
 
Ulter said:
^^ He's got it right. The before and afters are reversed.
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damn, really? it does make more sense when you think about it. his after picture looks like he just walked off the stage. protan still fresh.

which pisses me off even more.
 
the-short-one said:
I was paging through my latest copy of Oxygen Mag and happened accross an Instone ad with this guy's before & after. Add says he lost 37 lbs in 4 months. Doable, yes - but I don't think he got all those muscles from taking the Leanfire he's holding in his "after" picture.

Can you gentlmen give me your opinions on how he went from his before to his after?

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is that a bottle of winny in his hand ?
 
Well, its definitely possible. My cycle, disregarding health, would be

1-16 T3 Ramp
1-2 DNP
ECA-Clen Alternate 12-16
Test P 1-16
Tren A 1-8
Anavar 9-16
 
roc - the pump part is huge, I agree. It's astonishing how much different a fella can look from the gym to the am
 
HOG said:
The muscle was there on that guy, just under the fat. Those ads definitely show light/tanning/workout pump enhancements, but many of the dudes look like former college football players at 25% bf. Many 30-something slobs who have let themselves slide still know how to train if they did in their teens/twenties. If you work at a job where you use your arms every day, they will grow. If you use your legs, they will grow.
Again, I went from 235 lbs to 185 lbs in two months. My jeans size went fron 36 waist to 28 waist. I ran alot - and hardly slept. I didn't use any gear, but the low bf illusion is always there - you look bigger when your leaner.
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I'm going to have to agree.
While those ads are gimmickie - just like the women's ads I have seen the similiar after shot turn into the before shot and vice versa.

You can see his traps and pecs in the before and I'd say he had the muscle and hadn't worked out in while (look at his forearms) and with a great diet, training and some cardio he could have had the same results.
 
velvett said:
I'm going to have to agree.
While those ads are gimmickie - just like the women's ads I have seen the similiar after shot turn into the before shot and vice versa.

You can see his traps and pecs in the before and I'd say he had the muscle and hadn't worked out in while (look at his forearms) and with a great diet, training and some cardio he could have had the same results.
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Yes - the fat loss is definitely doable in that time frame. The pictures are just SO different that it's hard to believe.
 
the-short-one said:
Yes - the fat loss is definitely doable in that time frame. The pictures are just SO different that it's hard to believe.
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I don't put much faith in those ads - but they're really for people that have just started to workout.

Have you noticed in OX mag and on TV that some of the Hydroxicut girls are also the Lean "something" girls now too?
 
velvett said:
I don't put much faith in those ads - but they're really for people that have just started to workout.

Have you noticed in OX mag and on TV that some of the Hydroxicut girls are also the Lean "something" girls now too?
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Yes!! There are a slew of new "fat burners" out - and they all have suspiciously similar packaging and advertising - as well as the same chicks. I've noticed the same trend in men's Muscle & Fitness. Muscletech seems to have purchased 1/2 the pages for advertising.
 
the-short-one said:
I was paging through my latest copy of Oxygen Mag and happened accross an Instone ad with this guy's before & after. Add says he lost 37 lbs in 4 months. Doable, yes - but I don't think he got all those muscles from taking the Leanfire he's holding in his "after" picture.

Can you gentlmen give me your opinions on how he went from his before to his after?
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I've worked with clients who were on a BodyOpus for 4 months. On average the loss was 2lbs. of bodyfat/wk and 1/4th lbs. of muscle gain/wk. In 4 months, one could theoretically lose 32-35lbs. of bodyfat, and gain 4-5lbs. of muscle. Although I can't tell you if this was the case here, I can certainly tell you the figures beforehand are feasible.
 
the-short-one said:
Muscletech seems to have purchased 1/2 the pages for advertising.
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Thats why they filed for bankruptcy - nobody can keep up with that advertising budget no matter how much you sell.
 
Either way I think he looks like a douchebag. The only thing I'd want from his "after" picture is his BF%, he looks like shit otherwise.
 
KD1 said:
Thats why they filed for bankruptcy - nobody can keep up with that advertising budget no matter how much you sell.
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I don't like it. it casts doubt (for me anyway) on the validity of the magazine itself. How objective can they be about suppliments with the fear that they might lose their biggest advertisier if they come out with an article that another product is better?
 
The pics are definantely doable. I'm not saying that those particular pics are real, just that the change is possible in that time frame. Check out the body for life website. I did that comp a while ago and in 12 weeks made a similar change, and that was pre AAS for me. Diet can work wonders in a few months. I went from 220lbs to 190lb's and looked much bigger than I had at 220.
 
That's doable but in this case I'm not sure it is the same guy.....
 
the-short-one said:
I know the fat loss is doable, but I'm talking about the muscle gains. What's your best guess, cycle wise?
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4 months ... 16 weeks for 37 pounds.
Yes ... Very doable.

A lot of his weight is water ... you can see it. By going to all proteins and slow carbs, he would first dump the water and then start to burn fat, all in the first 3 weeks.

He would need some cutters to bring out the muscle underneath just enough to show. The tan helps too.

Eq 400 mg
Proviron 50 mg
HGH 1 ui p/d
Clen 2 tabs p/d
Zaditen 3 tabs

or
Tren a 150 mg
Winny 150 mg

(I knew those GS ebooks were going to come in handy one day! :))
 
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