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Mass Shooting at Virginia Tech...

Spartacus said:
I don't think there's any lesson to be learned today
how can you guard against "psycho" or "indie terrorism"

with the firepwoer and explosives available today this is gonna happen from time to time
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Maybe you find a better way to warn people than by email? How about calling in police and guarding main doors to classrooms at 8 am? How about a mass phone system that calls all dorm phones and cell phones? We have an automated one here that can dial like 1000 numbers at once.
 
HumanTarget said:
maybe i should say i'm sorry. to Vel & Phaded. but i have my own shit i've tried to shed for 11 years and these kids are gonna be fucked up from it. even the ones who weren't harmed. Evil made an appearance today. and i relived my day when i heard this shit. full blown panic attack. just from remembering. i get real defensive and angry and i hope none of you ever have to be exposed to this shit more than you are right now. because it interferes with you living your life.
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ya dude i'm sorry as well.. i talked to a friend on the forum and he told me what you've been through so sorry for whatever i said.. i'm on steroids so i have a short fuse.. and get mad about everything..
 
Phaded said:
ya dude i'm sorry as well.. i talked to a friend on the forum and he told me what you've been through so sorry for whatever i said.. i'm on steroids so i have a short fuse.. and get mad about everything..
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yeah. no prob. this is a serious thread and people are dead and not much can come of this, at least positive. i don't like seeing people mowed down like that, it's fucking evil. try that shit at a police station.
 
Phaded said:
ya dude i'm sorry as well.. i talked to a friend on the forum and he told me what you've been through so sorry for whatever i said.. i'm on steroids so i have a short fuse.. and get mad about everything..
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thas the one good thing about roids. i was gassed up enough that i apparently saved my own life by having decent meat on me. but don't doubt yourself, i hope if someone pulls that shit around you, you'll be able to do something about it.
 
HumanTarget said:
thas the one good thing about roids. i was gassed up enough that i apparently saved my own life by having decent meat on me. but don't doubt yourself, i hope if someone pulls that shit around you, you'll be able to do something about it.
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i carry a 9 on me.. i obviously have no clue what i'd do but hope to never be in the situation..
 
Phaded said:
i carry a 9 on me.. i obviously have no clue what i'd do but hope to never be in the situation..
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i went thru so much shit during the court procedings. they made me feel like i did something wrong. and i totally went off the deep end and bought a fucking arsenal afterwards. most of my friends bailed on me after i went rambo on them. i almost killed a couple of guys, and it was due to me overreacting. i mean, i almost threw my life away over some idiot reaching into his pants at a store once. i just gave up after that.....
 
wow, Gunman kills at least 32, self in worst mass shooting in U.S. history
 
yep, a murderer is still at large after two people got killed

and when people call the switchboard, advise them 'head to class carefully and be suspicious'

yep, if that happened at an airport or federal - that's what they'd do too. business as usual. keep people in the dark. lol, even cnn evacuated after that guy killed that women in the lobby. :)
 
How terrible sad. Unbelievable. The poor kids/families. This is why I want to study psychology - the more we learn about depression, suicide, mental illness, etc, the more we can prevent these things from happening.

My heart goes out...
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
How terrible sad. Unbelievable. The poor kids/families. This is why I want to study psychology - the more we learn about depression, suicide, mental illness, etc, the more we can prevent these things from happening.

My heart goes out...
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Charles Whitman, the previous mass shooting murderer, was found to have a brain tumor in the autopsy.
 
Sad, sad story. I guess there is no word yet how many shooters or what really happened.
 
javaguru said:
Charles Whitman, the previous mass shooting murderer, was found to have a brain tumor in the autopsy.
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The mind truly fascinates me. If we can learn more and more about the mind we can uncover so much that is not known.

Absolutely amazing. I want to research more on the Placebo Effect, one day. So much I want to research on! LOL.
 
Atleast we now have some medical evidence to proceed with. Unfortunately people are not as vigilant to go to the doctor as they are to go buy a gun...

The health care system in America is flawed and the cost of doing an MRI on the brain was probably out of reach. We need to make health care more available and affordable , instead of talking about making guns more available
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
The mind truly fascinates me. If we can learn more and more about the mind we can uncover so much that is not known.

Absolutely amazing. I want to research more on the Placebo Effect, one day. So much I want to research on! LOL.
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It was a very small tumor and was not in the frontal part of the brain where it would have affected areas governing reason and cognition.
If you want to research the 'placebo effect', read the AAS board and their reviews of supplements, it's quite hilarious.
My undergrad psych research was cognitive markers to depression. I suggest you switch majors, you cant unlearn what you learn. Somethings are better left unknown, lest it drives you mad. And not angry mad, like mad like a hatter
 
We don't know enough about the brain to come to that conclusion...
He should have been monitored more closely.

G_johnnny said:
It was a very small tumor and was not in the frontal part of the brain where it would have affected areas governing reason and cognition.
If you want to research the 'placebo effect', read the AAS board and their reviews of supplements, it's quite hilarious.
My undergrad psych research was cognitive markers to depression. I suggest you switch majors, you cant unlearn what you learn. Somethings are better left unknown, lest it drives you mad. And not angry mad, like mad like a hatter
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I dont think any amount of psychological research will ever prevent events similar to this.
 
gjohnson5 said:
We don't know enough about the brain to come to that conclusion...
He should have been monitored more closely.
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You may not know enough but I do and it seems pointless to monitor him more closely after the tumor was discovered at the autopsy, unless you believe in zombies, its hard to justify the government spending.
 
dang.... worse than Ecole Polytechnique where he separated out the women...killed 14 and wounded 10. What is it with wacko engineering students?
 
Island Son said:
dang.... worse than Ecole Polytechnique where he separated out the women...killed 14 and wounded 10. What is it with wacko engineering students?
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Lonely?
 
mightymouse69 said:
only solution is to either BAN guns or ARM everyone...
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Not sure it would have mattered..

Looks like the gunman was a Chinese man here on a student visa, so he didn't have a firearm by legal means anyway.

Even if you could control guns no one can control people.
 
velvett said:
Not sure it would have mattered..

Looks like the gunman was a Chinese man here on a student visa, so he didn't have a firearm by legal means anyway.

Even if you could control guns no one can control people.
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ummm...part 2 would of surely stopped him at like 2-3 people.
 
velvett said:
Not sure it would have mattered..

Looks like the gunman was a Chinese man here on a student visa, so he didn't have a firearm by legal means anyway.

Even if you could control guns no one can control people.
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Exactly, cocaine is illegal in every state, must be smuggled into the country,and readily available. Guns are an easy scapegoat as opposed to dysfunctional people.
 
velvett said:
Ok, it's quite possible - can you elaborate then?
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There are two arguments:

1) Ban all guns (thus no possiblity of shootings)
2) Allow all to have guns (if someone like this started shooting, he probably would of been killed after the 2nd person).

there is no easy answer, that is why I said BAN or ALLOW...
 
I wonder if there will be a comparision to this:

Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
 
Yikes...

So sad, so frikin sad - a woman here was on the news waiting to here from here son...they just came on and said he was one of the fatally shot :(

So frikin sad.
 
velvett said:
I wonder if there will be a comparision to this:

Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
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No chance. That would insenuate a trend of a minority doing things usually only reserved for those evil white folks. We cant have that now can we.
 
mightymouse69 said:
Yikes...

So sad, so frikin sad - a woman here was on the news waiting to here from here son...they just came on and said he was one of the fatally shot :(

So frikin sad.
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:(
 
gotmilk said:
Maybe you find a better way to warn people than by email? How about calling in police and guarding main doors to classrooms at 8 am? How about a mass phone system that calls all dorm phones and cell phones? We have an automated one here that can dial like 1000 numbers at once.
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the rub there is how do you know one shootting is gonna erupt into a massacre
it seems to me and it appeared to me at the time live that it was a single murder episode
and the police had the area shut down and the word was out e-mail and on TV
e-mail will fuel the word of mouth,just a few need to be checking their e-mail to spread the word
to me the guy got his two he wanted and then went 'out-of-sight' for a while and then went on his engineering bldg rampage
he had grudges in both locations
 
i Will be curious to see what knee-jerk reactionary bullshit comes of this
gun searches at elementary schools, metal detectors in every building across the country...
the cost of freedom...doesnt feel very free does it?
 
superdave said:
I dont think any amount of psychological research will ever prevent events similar to this.
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my feeling too
in this era though it's far easier to load up on an arsenal for when someone 'snaps'
this guy obviously ran the scenario through his head before today
and then "snap" day happened
whereas the columbine duo had it all planned to erupt and scripted it
either way they had easy access to arsenals
 
mightymouse69 said:
There are two arguments:

1) Ban all guns (thus no possiblity of shootings)
2) Allow all to have guns (if someone like this started shooting, he probably would of been killed after the 2nd person).

there is no easy answer, that is why I said BAN or ALLOW...
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Neither option is feasible in the US.

1) There are too many guns in the US right now to ban them or significantly reduce their presence in society. Gun availability to people who will kill and commit crimes with them won't go down.

2) Even if every one was allowed to have guns this wouldn't work.

The 90 year old lady living alone won't have a shot gun, even though she
needed one more than anyone - to keep crackhead assholes from robbing her.

The 12 year old girl walking home from school won't carry a concealed weapon, even though she walks past rapists and pedophiles homes.

And what about little kids? They get killed by maniacs, should 5 year olds carry guns in the playground for their own protection?




b0und (food for thought)
 
Wulfgar said:
i Will be curious to see what knee-jerk reactionary bullshit comes of this
gun searches at elementary schools, metal detectors in every building across the country...
the cost of freedom...doesnt feel very free does it?
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much easier to blame inanimate objects than other people.
If all the guns on earth disappeared it would never have stopped these:
http://www.answers.com/topic/bath-school-disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_Bombing
 
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I just read it and its so sad, these kids got up yesterday, deciding which clothes to wear to school, wondering if they would have a pop quiz and missing their boyfriend/gf and then end up dead by some dumbass
 
p0ink said:
too bad legal, law-abiding students can't pack heat on campus. too bad liberals pass laws that get others killed.

anyone notice that the places that have the most guns (like gun shows) have the fewest number of shootings? gee...i wonder...
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lol @ the solution being students carrying weapons on campus.

YAY for brains!!!
 
that guy roamed about for 2 hours after the first person he killed. i don't understand that. don't Prestigious Univ.'s have campus police? (waits for samoth to scoff at WVU @ being perstigious)
 
pintoca said:
nope, so rock on

(and ban all asians entry to the US, that sort of rings true)
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So Yarg would never be able to come hang out in the US then? :bawling:

After watching my truck get robbed in front of my face and going to a roomate's funeral after him being murdered by 2 19 year old gangbangers I'm convinced the only solution is responsible gun ownership.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
So Yarg would never be able to come hang out in the US then? :bawling:

After watching my truck get robbed in front of my face and going to a roomate's funeral after him being murdered by 2 19 year old gangbangers I'm convinced the only solution is responsible gun ownership.
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I'd kill off most gangbangers in a covert operation. That would reduce crime and clean up our schools at the same time.
 
President Bush is flying into Roanoke today - visiting VaTech.

My coworkers are flying out at the same time - - - should be funny seeing the S.S. shut down a one runway airport. One of idiots said he was going by his house to put a turban on before going into the airport.
 
HumanTarget said:
that guy roamed about for 2 hours after the first person he killed. i don't understand that. don't Prestigious Univ.'s have campus police? (waits for samoth to scoff at WVU @ being perstigious)
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VaTech's UP were constantly criticized on XOXO for running away or hiding or something during the shooting. I think the final decision was awaiting confirmation whether or not the UP were even allowed to carry guns, lol.



:cow:
 
Who wakes up and the morning and thinks today I am going to go out and murder 30 something people? Seriously wtf is wrong with people? I will never ever get shit like this.
 
Disgruntled employee walked into my workplace about 10 years ago and fired off shots. He was taken down by 5 or so employees within a couple minutes of walking into the office.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Who wakes up and the morning and thinks today I am going to go out and murder 30 something people? Seriously wtf is wrong with people? I will never ever get shit like this.
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I don't know if this is true or not - but I read somewhere that he was written up numerous time for stalking girls on campus but nothing came of it.
 
p0ink said:
too bad legal, law-abiding students can't pack heat on campus. too bad liberals pass laws that get others killed.

anyone notice that the places that have the most guns (like gun shows) have the fewest number of shootings? gee...i wonder...
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yeah give everyone guns...especially testosterone fuelled students, that'll bring gun crime down. Genius.
 
jd_uk said:
yeah give everyone guns...especially testosterone fuelled students, that'll bring gun crime down. Genius.
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actually, states that allow people to carry a concealed firearms have seen 78% decrease in public shootings.

now lets compare that countries that have strict gun control laws:

"In the four years after the UK banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by 40 per cent. Similarly, since Australia's 1996 laws banning many guns, armed robberies rose by 51 per cent, unarmed robberies by 37 per cent, assaults by 24 per cent and kidnappings by 43 per cent. Although murders fell by 3 per cent, manslaughter rose by 16 per cent."

hmmm.....
 
First off you do not know what effect the tumor had on the guys thinking
Second off mental and medical help before he became suicidal may have helped.

This is one of the problems with this shooting. There too many people who have "educations" but yet still making stupid assumptions.


G_johnnny said:
You may not know enough but I do and it seems pointless to monitor him more closely after the tumor was discovered at the autopsy, unless you believe in zombies, its hard to justify the government spending.
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gjohnson5 said:
Anyone who suggests that students should carry guns to school has got to be sniffing white-out

Guns need to be controlled tighter. maybe they will lighten up on steroids to focus in on firearms. I would agree with the move
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why is it so inconceivable for college students to be legally armed without the world coming to an end? they don't make up a large block of violent criminals?
 
Many republicans cannot keep their cool. Don Imus got fired and now Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Rutgers Womens basketball team are seeing death threats... And some of you wish to make guns more available...

I'm sorry but until the common sense and the maturity of many in the public changes , I can only see more murder if we make guns more available.

p0ink said:
why is it so inconceivable for college students to be legally armed without the world coming to an end? they don't make up a large block of violent criminals?
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p0ink said:
actually, states that allow people to carry a concealed firearms have seen 78% decrease in public shootings.

now lets compare that countries that have strict gun control laws:

"In the four years after the UK banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by 40 per cent. Similarly, since Australia's 1996 laws banning many guns, armed robberies rose by 51 per cent, unarmed robberies by 37 per cent, assaults by 24 per cent and kidnappings by 43 per cent. Although murders fell by 3 per cent, manslaughter rose by 16 per cent."

hmmm.....
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I'm not one for stats as i know how easy it is to get stats to support any point. I would bet a lot of money that America has a higher proportion of shootings than most countries where obtainign a gun is more dificult.

To me it is obvious that where there are more deadly weapons there will be more killings with those weapons and it is nothing short of stupid to suggest that students should carry guns. Those playground fights would get a bit more 'heated' if guns were encouraged on campus.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Many republicans cannot keep their cool. Don Imus got fired and now Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Rutgers Womens basketball team are seeing death threats... And some of you wish to make guns more available...

I'm sorry but until the common sense and the maturity of many in the public changes , I can only see more murder if we make guns more available.
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republicans? LOL!

first off, don imus is anything but a conservative radio talk show host.

secondly, what do the 'justice brothers' (sharpton and jackson) have anything to do with any of this?
 
p0ink said:
actually, states that allow people to carry a concealed firearms have seen 78% decrease in public shootings.

now lets compare that countries that have strict gun control laws:

"In the four years after the UK banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by 40 per cent. Similarly, since Australia's 1996 laws banning many guns, armed robberies rose by 51 per cent, unarmed robberies by 37 per cent, assaults by 24 per cent and kidnappings by 43 per cent. Although murders fell by 3 per cent, manslaughter rose by 16 per cent."

hmmm.....
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Gun violence in Canada down 40% (1991-2004) since stricter gun control implemented in 1991.

hhhmmmm.....
 
Who is seeing the death threats is totally irrelevant. The fact that left wing folks lobbied and won an issue means that others in the right have to issue death threats.

I wonder how many links I have to post of abortion clinic doctors and workers being assassinated before the point hits home.


p0ink said:
republicans? LOL!

first off, don imus is anything but a conservative radio talk show host.

secondly, what do the 'justice brothers' (sharpton and jackson) have anything to do with any of this?
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gjohnson5 said:
I wonder how many links I have to post of abortion clinic doctors and workers being assassinated before the point hits home.
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so are all of the people murdering each other in new orleans republicans?
 
gjohnson5 said:
I don't care

I don't feel safe with some of you holding the guns you have.
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i have never even been pulled over for speeding, let alone been convicted of a violent crime. nor have i ever had the urge to direct violence at another human being. i shoot at least 200 rounds a week, and not a single one has ever hurt, let alone killed, another living thing.

i also own quite a few weapons, including the oh-so-scary assault weapons.

why does that scare you?
 
Probably neither did Cho Seung-Hui either...

I apologize for the political outburst

p0ink said:
i have never even been pulled over for speeding, let alone been convicted of a violent crime. nor have i ever had the urge to direct violence at another human being. i shoot at least 200 rounds a week, and not a single one has ever hurt, let alone killed, another living thing.

i also own quite a few weapons, including the oh-so-scary assault weapons.

why does that scare you?
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gjohnson5 said:
Probably neither did Cho Seung-Hui either...

I apologize for the political outburst
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No he was just medicated for depression, had multiple write ups on campus for stalking women, had recently set fire to a campus dorm, had written multiple plays detailing violence and twisted acts against upon others.

ALL THE SIGNS WERE THERE

but no one listened.

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/


When I first heard about the multiple shootings at Virginia Tech yesterday, my first thought was about my friends, and my second thought was "I bet it was Seung Cho."

Cho was in my playwriting class last fall, and nobody seemed to think much of him at first. He would sit by himself whenever possible, and didn't like talking to anyone. I don't think I've ever actually heard his voice before. He was just so quiet and kept to himself. Looking back, he fit the exact stereotype of what one would typically think of as a "school shooter" – a loner, obsessed with violence, and serious personal problems. Some of us in class tried to talk to him to be nice and get him out of his shell, but he refused talking to anyone. It was like he didn't want to be friends with anybody. One friend of mine tried to offer him some Halloween candy that she still had, but he slowly shook his head, refusing it. He just came to class every day and submitted his work on time, as I understand it.

[snip...]

When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of. Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter. I was even thinking of scenarios of what I would do in case he did come in with a gun, I was that freaked out about him. When the students gave reviews of his play in class, we were very careful with our words in case he decided to snap. Even the professor didn't pressure him to give closing comments.

After hearing about the mass shootings, I sent one of my friends a Facebook message asking him if he knew anything about Seung Cho and if he could have been involved. He replied: "dude that's EXACTLY what I was thinking! No, I haven't heard anything, but seriously, that was the first thing I thought when I heard he was Asian." [...snip]
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gjohnson5 said:
Incorrect , the gun laws in Virginia allow for immigrant on visa to purchase a firearm
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That's ridiculous.

I noted that after I saw this - http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html
the gun laws in your state are pretty lax, made it a piece of cake for him to get a firearm.

He would not have been able to make such a purchase in my state.











ultimately none of it matters - if someone wants a gun to commit a heinous act they will get one

if they can not get a firearm - they will find other means to their desires
 
velvett said:
That's ridiculous.

I noted that after I saw this - http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html
the gun laws in your state are pretty lax, made it a piece of cake for him to get a firearm.

He would not have been able to make such a purchase in my state.











ultimately none of it matters - if someone wants a gun to commit a heinous act they will get one

if they can not get a firearm - they will find other means to their desires
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Like a truckload of fertillizer. Or a tanker filled with anhydrous ammonia.
 
redguru said:
Like a truckload of fertillizer. Or a tanker filled with anhydrous ammonia.
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I'm not sure if you're mocking me, being sarcastic or both.

When I was in college - the school was evacuated and the bomb squad had to disarm a bomb found in the school.
 
velvett said:
I'm not sure if you're mocking me, being sarcastic or both.

When I was in college - the school was evacuated and the bomb squad had to disarm a bomb found in the school.
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Not at all. I am just pointing out if Cho didn't have a gun he could use much more powerful means of causing calamity.
 
p0ink said:
actually, states that allow people to carry a concealed firearms have seen 78% decrease in public shootings.

now lets compare that countries that have strict gun control laws:

"In the four years after the UK banned handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by 40 per cent. Similarly, since Australia's 1996 laws banning many guns, armed robberies rose by 51 per cent, unarmed robberies by 37 per cent, assaults by 24 per cent and kidnappings by 43 per cent. Although murders fell by 3 per cent, manslaughter rose by 16 per cent."

hmmm.....
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You're being selective with your choice of countries.
Why not compare that with the extremely low rate of gun crime in Japan??
 
redguru said:
Not at all. I am just pointing out if Cho didn't have a gun he could use much more powerful means of causing calamity.
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He still could've made bombs, but he didn't.
But why go to the trouble and the risk of buying and mixing ingredients for something that might not work? The guns were easy to get and they were enough.
 
redguru said:
Not at all. I am just pointing out if Cho didn't have a gun he could use much more powerful means of causing calamity.
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I could make a great joke about being an english major but I'm going to bite my tongue
 
velvett said:
No he was just medicated for depression, had multiple write ups on campus for stalking women, had recently set fire to a campus dorm, had written multiple plays detailing violence and twisted acts against upon others.

ALL THE SIGNS WERE THERE

but no one listened.

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/
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Obviously people were listening. Students tried to chat with him and include him. He was referred for counseling.

But what do you suggest they do? Submit a police report on every weird student? Jail them indefinitely? Then the person's REALLY gonna have a beef!!
 
gjohnson5 said:
First off you do not know what effect the tumor had on the guys thinking
Second off mental and medical help before he became suicidal may have helped.

This is one of the problems with this shooting. There too many people who have "educations" but yet still making stupid assumptions.
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First of all you do not know what effect the tumor did not have on the guy's thinking.
Second off... do you think mental and medical "help" is easy, inexpensive or guaranteed? There's a ton of homeless people with mental problems who aren't getting help...
 
Island Son said:
You're being selective with your choice of countries.
Why not compare that with the extremely low rate of gun crime in Japan??
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the mayor of nagasaki, japan was just gunned down this morning...
 
p0ink said:
the mayor of nagasaki, japan was just gunned down this morning...
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How many people died in the US this morning?

1996 stats.. (I'll post a more recent one if I find it)
Japan, 0.7 homicides per 100,000 people
US, 7.4 per 100,000 people
 
Island Son said:
Obviously people were listening. Students tried to chat with him and include him. He was referred for counseling.

But what do you suggest they do? Submit a police report on every weird student? Jail them indefinitely? Then the person's REALLY gonna have a beef!!
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Oh no no... please don't misunderstand me.

He set fire to a dorm room...
He wrote plays about violence

He gave physical clues - I'm sure he gave silent ones.

The students were wonderful to do what they did - trying to involve him.

But he did not think as kindly of his school mates.

It's heart breaking to read/hear about this - the loss of life this way.

I can't imagine the trauma these kids, staff - have experienced - I can't even put my head around the damage this one young man did nor the events from the first shoot to the last or the prep he must have done prior too getting up yesterday.

The doctor reported at 3 gunshots per people - 60 some people - the magazines he had to have preloaded - purchased.

I feel sick just reading about it.

What we're capable as human beings is horrific.
 
redguru said:
Not at all. I am just pointing out if Cho didn't have a gun he could use much more powerful means of causing calamity.
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like what? adding MSG to the schools rice supply?
 
I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
I called him my pa and he called me his son
and I come away with a different point of view
 
lol @ poink quoting his NRA pamphlets AGAIN.


Truth is VA handgun laws are already VERY lax. Any of the kids could have gotten handguns.

Just have some damn compassion and quit trying to make EVERYTHING a political thread.
 
heatherrae said:
Just have some damn compassion and quit trying to make EVERYTHING a political thread.
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yep.

when someone wants to give his life for another, you cannot prepare for that.

a crazy got to some of us yesterday.

it's like when that idiot up in the world trade center decided to turn on that big magnet up there and start sucking planes into the buildings. you can't prepare for morons like that.
 
heatherrae said:
lol @ poink quoting his NRA pamphlets AGAIN.


Truth is VA handgun laws are already VERY lax. Any of the kids could have gotten handguns.

Just have some damn compassion and quit trying to make EVERYTHING a political thread.
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uh, the anti-gun people are already putting out statements, press releases, emails, and talking-heads to further their anti-gun agenda. the politicians are already presenting anti-gun bills, too.

so, how am i wrong?
 
the gun issue isn't simply about guns, either.

i don't think the government should be in the business of telling adults how they should run their lives.

never once have i favored banning anything - not guns, drugs, abortions, alcohol - nothing.
 
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