Martial arts advice. Help me choose.

[Freak Show]

Max, Latimer, Cleaner: that was exactly what I was lookin for. Thanks, you just made this easier.

Acneman-stellar advice! Thanks for the heads up! Now I just have to find a place around me that offers jeet kune do or jiu jitsu.

Why are you leavin me hangin MOD??? Tell me more about Shotokan!

 

[acneman]

wow all this happened while i was writing my last response ive got something to say

no art is useless how many people would like to fight an experienced boxer.

ok if you look past the flash that one sees from the outside you will find more in all the arts when i was young it was tang soo do for me and i janked the shotokan guys and fought a lot of them, this is bullshit. if you talk to any competant practitioner of any art you will find rational and effective self defense for all ranges and even boxers who street fight will know how to deal with a grab or attempted throw.

lets just agree to disagree without disrespecting anyones art i think that is bad because if you cant respect someones martial art then you can not learn from them

if you say kung fu is bullshit then i challenge you to say that to someone like bruce lee
if you say that tae kwon do is bullshit i challenge you to say that to bill superfoot wallace.
if you say im full of bullshit then mabey so but this time IM RIGHT.

"on the street there is no ref"

 

[acneman]

im sorry for keeping on with this i gotta say one more thing

it seems like i was jankin on karate in my first post then defending it later

no i feel that the multi range specific arts are better because one learns effectiveness on the street faster

FASTER. not that you dont become effective in the others if you get to that level

i didnt get to that level in karate

im not saying i was a puss, far from it but im glad i didnt have to fight for my life against an experienced martial artist i was a punk and fought other punks so i was good ...... for a punk. i felt that if i choked someone i was cheating. not anymore and if i fought on the street today and i saw a stick sitting on the ground i would use that also. so...


peace to all the arts


"on the street there is no ref"

 

[Latimer]

Latimer: Tae Kwon Do is like that flashy, almost any fight with a Shaolin Praticer and a Tae Kwon Do praticer Will end in a victory for the Kung Fu fighter.... Shaolin Kung Fu isnt about beeing flashy.

I think that NHB fighting competitions have proved that grappling styles ranging from BJJ to Wrestling appear to be the most effective in hand to hand combat. The competitors are cross-training in many different arts and taking what works from each discipline (basically JKD in the sense that Bruce Lee described it). For self-defense purposes I'd go with a grappling style coupled with a striking style, Western Boxing perhaps.

I don't take anything away from any Martial Arts discipline. It all depends what you're training for and what you get from it. I do feel that it is a waste of time to study the "flashy" high kicks and jumping strikes that are predominate in most Eastern styles as far as combat training goes. Bruce Lee even said that kicks above the waist are dangerous in real fights and usually fail and end up leaving you wide open for a counterstrike.

The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they were typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.

 

[The_RAIDER]

Aikido is strictly Self Desense oriented IMO.
No competitions or sparring.
Lots of Wrist locks, breaking from holds and take downs.
Main goal is to reDirect the attacker without direct contact.
You must Learn flexibility and how to correctly fall first.

Find a School that does NOT stress the mystical, Chi and Mental aspects of Aikido.

 

[acneman]

Latimer said
The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they were typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.

What???? who were they fighting, bigfoot?

im sorry they used it to fight eachother so all things being equal why is thier arm strength not enough

boxing saturday night an asian gave a hispanic a mouse on his eye that looked like he had a ping pong ball under his eyelid. because he was small and weak?

also if you study martial history you would learn that periodically a style comes along and challenges all to fight and wins. right now its jiu jitsu true but a hundred years ago it was wing chun a while back it was karate (and they beat all the jiu jitsu guys too) why is this ?

as time goes on a champion will arise and with that person of exceptional talent as teacher or fighter or both there will be a revelution in that style and all the very good warriors in that style will be elevated in thier ability by association with that great champion. silat and escrima are two arts to watch for a new guy on the street soon.

well soon means 10 to 20 years who knows

"on the street there is no ref"

 

[theoak01]

take pencration,it is ultimate fighting ,the shit ken shamrock does,my one buddy won canadian nationals in that and another buddy just took the american chamionship,its well worth it,you learn throws,grappling,sticking,everything you want,nobody would wanna fuck with you

 

[Latimer]

Latimer said
The reason kicks were so popular in Asian arts is because they WERE typically a smaller breed of people and couldn't generate much power from their arms and turned to the legs to generate the high powered blows.

What???? who were they fighting, bigfoot?

im sorry they used it to fight eachother so all things being equal why is thier arm strength not enough

boxing saturday night an asian gave a hispanic a mouse on his eye that looked like he had a ping pong ball under his eyelid. because he was small and weak?

also if you study martial history you would learn that periodically a style comes along and challenges all to fight and wins. right now its jiu jitsu true but a hundred years ago it was wing chun a while back it was karate (and they beat all the jiu jitsu guys too) why is this ?

They needed the powerful blows (kicks) to quickly incapacitate their enemies. They weren't fighting for a purse back then, they were fighting for survival.

Speaking of history, back when the Eastern arts were first being devoloped and widely practiced (15th century), wouldn't you agree that people in general were a lot smaller than the average person today? Now consider the asian people with their lack of resources, their unbalanced diet and the famines. They tended to be even smaller than the average European man back then and to this day are still slightly smaller.

I'm not trying to compare disciplines or argue which is best. I was just giving Freak Show my recommendations for a discipline(s) based on the criteria he expressed in his initial post.

 

[The_RAIDER]

Also, the Legs are longer than the arms and that keeps the Opponent at a farther distance.
Tae Kwon Do seems to be the most popular art right now for some reason.

Do a Search on the Web for Martial Art Styles and there are lost of sites comparing the differences and Similarities to each... Good luck

 

[Latimer]

Also, the Legs are longer than the arms and that keeps the Opponent at a farther distance.

That's an excellent point that I neglected to mention.