no macro its a very recent incident, and a mild case of gyno at best. It was just such a shocker to my bro who got it because he was running only 20mg of LTL var a day, and only got 12 days into it when he stopped and started nolva. Its even weirder because in the past hes done var onlys @40 mg ed with no problems, and even fooled around a couple years ago with some winny and even dbol with no issues. the guys never touched an anti-e in his life until now, and is really just trying to jump on the situation asap to avoid anything getting worse. As I said before, the nolvadex only seemed to aggrevate the problem so he dropped that and is now on letro. thx, Roc