Lot of lab results back---advice needed

[matter2003]

Ok, let me preface this by saying I was on LGD for the 6 days prior to getting these done, and some of this is going to be a little bit of guesswork, but we have a pretty good idea based on the charts/graphs of what happens in the studies that some advice could be offered I think...


OR maybe you will tell me I need to get them done after being completely clean for a while...either way, here they are:

DHEA: 142 ng/dl Range for my age 31-701

SHBG: 8.6 nmol/L Range 16.5-55.9(Low)

Estradiol: 23.6 pg/ml Range 7.6-42.6

17-OHProg: 67 ng/dl Range 27-199

Total Test: 152 ng/dl Range 348-1197(Low)

Test Free: 7.04 ng./dl Range 5.00-21.00

Test Free %: 4.63% Range 1.50-4.20(High)

Other Tests:

NA: 140 mmol/L Range 133-145
K: 4.7 mmol/L Range 3.3-5.1
CL: 102 mmol/L Range 96-108
CO2: 27 mmol/L Range 96-108
GAP: 11 mmol/L Range 7-18
GLUC: 99 mg/dl Range 74-99
CREAT: 1.3 mg/dl Range 0.7-1.2(High---take 2 Kre-Alkalyn caps every day)
eGFR: 61.8 mL/min(Possible Chronic Kidney Disease---likely due to Creatine use, false positive)

BUN: 17 mg/dl Range 6-20
CA: 9.3 mg/dl Range 8.4-10.2
Total BILI: 0.5 mg/dl Range <1.1
Total Protein: 6.7 g/dl Range 6.6-8.7
ALB: 4.5 g/dl Range 3.4-4.8
AST: 31 units/L Range <38
ALT: 33 units/L Range <42

ALK Phos: 58 Units/L Range 40-129
Triglycerides: 94 mg/dl Range <150
Cholesterol: 175 mg/dl Range <200
HDLC: 41 mg/dl Range 40-60
LDLC: 115 mg/dl Range <101(High but near optimal in 101-129 range)
Chol/HDLC Ratio: 4
LDLC/HDLC Ratio: 3
Non-HDLC: 134 mg/dl Range <130(not considered borderline high til it hits 139)
TSH: 1.46 uIU/ml Range 0.27-4.20(very happy as last year tested at 2.64)
CRP(C reactive Protein): <3.5 mg/L Range 1-5(very surprised as people with psoriasis usually have very high CRP levels, which is a measure of inflammation in the body)


Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

Doctor said he thingks I am OK, but I thought for sure he would put me on TRT with a test level that low...should I speak to him regarding that?

 

[EatLiftSleepRepeat]

Your total test is low for any age, have you cycled before? Are you still on the lgd? I would definitely ask him about it

 

[stevesmi]

your doctor has no clue what LGD is bro and yes LGD is suppressive... you need to come off EVERYTHING run a proper pct and then re-test. what you are doing here is pointless

 

[matter2003]

Your total test is low for any age, have you cycled before? Are you still on the lgd? I would definitely ask him about it

Nope, never done any type of steroid cycles...

Have used Ostarine twice in the past but was running Formastane with it so I doubt my levels would still be low from that...

At best, my normal levels would be at the lowest of the low normal range even before going on LGD

 

[matter2003]

your doctor has no clue what LGD is bro and yes LGD is suppressive... you need to come off EVERYTHING run a proper pct and then re-test. what you are doing here is pointless

Never told him I was on it, and yes I know it is suppressive. But, we have a graph showing how suppressive it is over a period of 6 days, which is between 1.5-2 ng/dl, so at best my normal levels were around 350-400...still very low for someone who works out the way I do and is looking to build muscle...

 

[stevesmi]

Never told him I was on it, and yes I know it is suppressive. But, we have a graph showing how suppressive it is over a period of 6 days, which is between 1.5-2 ng/dl, so at best my normal levels were around 350-400...still very low for someone who works out the way I do and is looking to build muscle...

well how do we know you didn't go into LGD already suppressed?

also whats the point of continuing to use suppressing compounds if you want to fully recover? you are only delaying your recovery. again you are just worrying for nothing.

 

[matter2003]

well how do we know you didn't go into LGD already suppressed?

also whats the point of continuing to use suppressing compounds if you want to fully recover? you are only delaying your recovery. again you are just worrying for nothing.

Before going on LGD I had been running Bulbine Natalensis(Prolensis) for several weeks, so if anything, my T levels would have been higher than normal, not lower...

Was off Ostarine at this point for several months

 

[Jbranken]

Before going on LGD I had been running Bulbine Natalensis(Prolensis) for several weeks, so if anything, my T levels would have been higher than normal, not lower...

Was off Ostarine at this point for several months

Thats all speculation unless there were bloods pre cycle

I don't see Lgd suppressing you this much in only 6 days

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Just FYI, TSH is basically a useless test on its own. Its a signal hormone, that's it. The range is useless too. Its meaningless and too broad. Get your Free T3, Free T4 and reverse T3 tested if you want to really see what your thyroid is doing.
All your lowered TSH means is that your pituitary gland is calling for less T4 to be produced by the thyroid. That could be for a few different reasons. Good or bad.
Any doctor that thinks TSH is the way to check for a healthy thyroid ought to be drawn and quartered and that's probably 90% of them.
I'm not saying your shit is fucked up. Im just saying you should ask for more tests next time. Don't forget they work for you. So when they say its not necessary tell them fuck you, do it anyways.

 

[Zyglamail]

I agree with burnthiscorpse, TSH is worthless. In all honesty T3 and T4 arent much better. They will tell you if you are hyper or hypo by being out of lab range but aside from that they dont tell you if your thyroid is functioning optimally. Take your basal metabolic temperature for a while and if its low your thyroid is suppressed and could be functioning better.

 

[stevesmi]

i doubt there is anything wrong with his thyroid.

100% of the time when you run tests on cycle things are gonna be out of whack. if you want to run bloods come off everything, run pct.. and then give it time and then run them.

unless you are having unforseen events on cycle (health problems, gyno, etc) no reason to ever run them cause its only going to scare you and make you worry

 

[Zyglamail]

i doubt there is anything wrong with his thyroid.

Depends on your definition of wrong I guess. Do I think there is a medical need for immediate action? Naw. BUT most people here are looking to optimize their training, diet, strength etc.

You optimize results by optimizing your bodily functions and depending on who you believe some professionals claim that between 10 and 40 of the population has an underfunctioning thyroid. The easy way to tell is take your basal metabolic temperature and you will know.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I agree with burnthiscorpse, TSH is worthless. In all honesty T3 and T4 arent much better. They will tell you if you are hyper or hypo by being out of lab range but aside from that they dont tell you if your thyroid is functioning optimally. Take your basal metabolic temperature for a while and if its low your thyroid is suppressed and could be functioning better.

You are absolutely right about the temperature bro. I totally geeked on that. Like steve said the guy is probably fine thyroid wise. If he has any issues it would 99% be hypo from gear use beating the shit out of the thyroid.
My temp was hanging around mid 97's til recently AND my T3 was at the bottom of the barrel. Guess what...palpitations and headaches here and there. I now take 60mg Armour 2x ed and no more issues. Labs are good too. (that's labs according to where I want them not my doc!)

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your free T isn't bad considering your total test is so low. Do you take UNLEASHED?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Ok, let me preface this by saying I was on LGD for the 6 days prior to getting these done, and some of this is going to be a little bit of guesswork, but we have a pretty good idea based on the charts/graphs of what happens in the studies that some advice could be offered I think...


OR maybe you will tell me I need to get them done after being completely clean for a while...either way, here they are:

DHEA: 142 ng/dl Range for my age 31-701

SHBG: 8.6 nmol/L Range 16.5-55.9(Low)

Estradiol: 23.6 pg/ml Range 7.6-42.6

17-OHProg: 67 ng/dl Range 27-199

Total Test: 152 ng/dl Range 348-1197(Low)

Test Free: 7.04 ng./dl Range 5.00-21.00

Test Free %: 4.63% Range 1.50-4.20(High)

Other Tests:

NA: 140 mmol/L Range 133-145
K: 4.7 mmol/L Range 3.3-5.1
CL: 102 mmol/L Range 96-108
CO2: 27 mmol/L Range 96-108
GAP: 11 mmol/L Range 7-18
GLUC: 99 mg/dl Range 74-99
CREAT: 1.3 mg/dl Range 0.7-1.2(High---take 2 Kre-Alkalyn caps every day)
eGFR: 61.8 mL/min(Possible Chronic Kidney Disease---likely due to Creatine use, false positive)

BUN: 17 mg/dl Range 6-20
CA: 9.3 mg/dl Range 8.4-10.2
Total BILI: 0.5 mg/dl Range <1.1
Total Protein: 6.7 g/dl Range 6.6-8.7
ALB: 4.5 g/dl Range 3.4-4.8
AST: 31 units/L Range <38
ALT: 33 units/L Range <42

ALK Phos: 58 Units/L Range 40-129
Triglycerides: 94 mg/dl Range <150
Cholesterol: 175 mg/dl Range <200
HDLC: 41 mg/dl Range 40-60
LDLC: 115 mg/dl Range <101(High but near optimal in 101-129 range)
Chol/HDLC Ratio: 4
LDLC/HDLC Ratio: 3
Non-HDLC: 134 mg/dl Range <130(not considered borderline high til it hits 139)
TSH: 1.46 uIU/ml Range 0.27-4.20(very happy as last year tested at 2.64)
CRP(C reactive Protein): <3.5 mg/L Range 1-5(very surprised as people with psoriasis usually have very high CRP levels, which is a measure of inflammation in the body)


Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

Doctor said he thingks I am OK, but I thought for sure he would put me on TRT with a test level that low...should I speak to him regarding that?

I just re read this a little more. If your doctor thinks you are ok they you should literally grab him by the coat and punch him repeatedly until his eyes pop out. Un fucking real. Your total test is 152 and he says you are ok? Which just proves even further that doctors know shit about hormones and would rather avoid it all together. Just look at the DHEA range they give. Its a fucking joke. Well....we'll make the range .1 - 10,000 . That way anyone is within range no matter what and we can cop out of doing anything about it. Then when people ask they can say their famous doctor catch phrase...."well your numbers are in range". Fucking pieces of shit.
What is the backround before this blood work? What cycle were you on? How long? What pct? How far removed from PCT were you when these labs were done?

 

[matter2003]

I just re read this a little more. If your doctor thinks you are ok they you should literally grab him by the coat and punch him repeatedly until his eyes pop out. Un fucking real. Your total test is 152 and he says you are ok? Which just proves even further that doctors know shit about hormones and would rather avoid it all together. Just look at the DHEA range they give. Its a fucking joke. Well....we'll make the range .1 - 10,000 . That way anyone is within range no matter what and we can cop out of doing anything about it. Then when people ask they can say their famous doctor catch phrase...."well your numbers are in range". Fucking pieces of shit.
What is the backround before this blood work? What cycle were you on? How long? What pct? How far removed from PCT were you when these labs were done?

I have never done any type of AAS, and before running formestane/Ostarine nothing other than natural T boosters.

Finished my last Ostarine cycle(17.5 mg a day, 8 weeks) around mid August, used formestane and DAA for about three weeks post Ostarine, then started taking Bulbine(Prolensis) on a 1,1,2 basis for about three weeks, ending the day before starting LGD, which I ran at 1mg for 4 days and 2mg for 2 days before getting the blood tests done in a fasted state around 9:30am...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I have never done any type of AAS, and before running formestane/Ostarine nothing other than natural T boosters.

Finished my last Ostarine cycle(17.5 mg a day, 8 weeks) around mid August, used formestane and DAA for about three weeks post Ostarine, then started taking Bulbine(Prolensis) on a 1,1,2 basis for about three weeks, ending the day before starting LGD, which I ran at 1mg for 4 days and 2mg for 2 days before getting the blood tests done in a fasted state around 9:30am...

Holy shit? and your test was 152? I personally would be alarmed. How to you feel? Does your dick work? Do you have any libido? Do your joints hurt?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Bulbine works very well, but the problem with increasing total test when it's very low is that, even if it's doubled, it can still be low. That's why you should work on increasing FREE T.

I've said it before but it's fallen on deaf ears. But I'll say it again. Ostarine IS NOT for PCT. It is suppressive -- that's the last thing you want when trying to recover. It has it's place, but not as PCT.

 

[matter2003]

Holy shit? and your test was 152? I personally would be alarmed. How to you feel? Does your dick work? Do you have any libido? Do your joints hurt?

I feel OK, yes it works very well, libido was pretty high while running Ostarine/formestane and with bulbine but has been so so on LGD...been having some issues with joints recently, but nothing major...

However I have felt for a while that I have had test issues...have had gyno from the time I was a teen, and have always had trouble dropping bodyfat, especially around my midsection, even when I was down to 10% BF, waist still had more fat than I would have thought it should...

Not interested in doing any type of AAS, how high could I expect test levels to get if I was to go on a TRT plan of like 250 mg/week of Test E over let's say 6 months, a year, etc? Would I still be able to run SARMs along side it or would that be defeating the purpose?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I feel OK, yes it works very well, libido was pretty high while running Ostarine/formestane and with bulbine but has been so so on LGD...been having some issues with joints recently, but nothing major...

However I have felt for a while that I have had test issues...have had gyno from the time I was a teen, and have always had trouble dropping bodyfat, especially around my midsection, even when I was down to 10% BF, waist still had more fat than I would have thought it should...

Not interested in doing any type of AAS, how high could I expect test levels to get if I was to go on a TRT plan of like 250 mg/week of Test E over let's say 6 months, a year, etc? Would I still be able to run SARMs along side it or would that be defeating the purpose?

TRT is AAS my man

250 mg test wk for TRT is about double a "normal" trt dose to keep you in the 900-1000 ng/dl area.
If you are having joint issues I would wager your low test is to blame. I would love to see your other thyroid levels I mentioned earlier. If diet and cardio are done right and do not remove fat then the thyroid is definitely an issue. Fucked up thyroid numbers can cause low test also just as low test can cause thyroid issues. I would say 80% of people in general have a thyroid issue. Even if its only slight. But then 95% of those people would never seek help or get diagnosed because of being in "normal ranges". Which is sad because a small amount of medication could improve many things. For example my LDL would NOT go below 105-110 the last year no matter what I did or took or tried. Soon as I started taking Armour (natural thyroid med) it dropped right down. Thyroid effects everything in your body.
I would take an educated guess that while your TSH has decreased it means obviously your pituitary is calling for less T4 to be made. I would wager this is because its not getting converted to T3 properly therefore I'd guess your Free T3 is low. Thus, more body fat. But that's a guess. it really could be anything. Low Test and thyroid issues go hand in hand though.
I suggest taking your temperature as Zyglamail said. that will be a real indicator of being Hypo.

 

[matter2003]

No I love healthy fats...fatty fish, olive oil(verified real), avocados, and dark chocolate...

I think what many fail to realize is the effect chronic low grade inflammation has on their hormonal levels, especially thyroid...part of the reason for the improvement in TSH levels I attribute to avoiding foods that caused me chronic inflammation via a book called "The Plan" by Lyn Genet Recitas...highly recommend it to everyone

 

[Shrine1]

TRT is AAS my man

250 mg test wk for TRT is about double a "normal" trt dose to keep you in the 900-1000 ng/dl area.
If you are having joint issues I would wager your low test is to blame. I would love to see your other thyroid levels I mentioned earlier. If diet and cardio are done right and do not remove fat then the thyroid is definitely an issue. Fucked up thyroid numbers can cause low test also just as low test can cause thyroid issues. I would say 80% of people in general have a thyroid issue. Even if its only slight. But then 95% of those people would never seek help or get diagnosed because of being in "normal ranges". Which is sad because a small amount of medication could improve many things. For example my LDL would NOT go below 105-110 the last year no matter what I did or took or tried. Soon as I started taking Armour (natural thyroid med) it dropped right down. Thyroid effects everything in your body.
I would take an educated guess that while your TSH has decreased it means obviously your pituitary is calling for less T4 to be made. I would wager this is because its not getting converted to T3 properly therefore I'd guess your Free T3 is low. Thus, more body fat. But that's a guess. it really could be anything. Low Test and thyroid issues go hand in hand though.
I suggest taking your temperature as Zyglamail said. that will be a real indicator of being Hypo.

Really good information bro... I didnt realize how important thyroid functionality is. Needless to say I would shay away from ever supplementing T3 to increase body fat loss. Seems to me throwing off that hormone in anyway is asking for trouble

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[burnthiscorpse]

Really good information bro... I didnt realize how important thyroid functionality is. Needless to say I would shay away from ever supplementing T3 to increase body fat loss. Seems to me throwing off that hormone in anyway is asking for trouble

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No, I never meant for him to take T3. If he needed meds the only way to go is real thyroid hormone which is called Armour. Naturally derived from living animals. Its a mix of T4 and T3. Synthroid is garbage and also what 99% of doctors want you to take (because the kickbacks are huge).
Taking t3 alone is a very bad idea unless you need it medically. Taking it for fat loss is just fucking stupid. If you introduce synthetic T3 when you don't need it, it will halt (or seriously decrease) the conversion of T4 into T3, thus telling the pituitary that no more T4 is needed to be made by the thyroid because its seeing higher levels because nothing is getting converted. It can really create a big mess.

 

[Zyglamail]

If he needed meds the only way to go is real thyroid hormone which is called Armour.

I agree if one MUST take meds, Armour is the way to go. That being said, the ops comments on not being able to drop fat sounds like underperforming thyroid and/or higher than normal cortisol levels which would indicate adrenal fatigue.

Either way natural supplementation to restore optimal function would be the best route and first thing to do.

 

[Shrine1]

No, I never meant for him to take T3. If he needed meds the only way to go is real thyroid hormone which is called Armour. Naturally derived from living animals. Its a mix of T4 and T3. Synthroid is garbage and also what 99% of doctors want you to take (because the kickbacks are huge).
Taking t3 alone is a very bad idea unless you need it medically. Taking it for fat loss is just fucking stupid. If you introduce synthetic T3 when you don't need it, it will halt (or seriously decrease) the conversion of T4 into T3, thus telling the pituitary that no more T4 is needed to be made by the thyroid because its seeing higher levels because nothing is getting converted. It can really create a big mess.

Yeah, I wasnt insinuating you advised him to sup T3... I just see so many people incorp that in their cycle to lose BF and it seems like a really bad idea. Especially after reading the information you laid out. Ill be honest.. I almost fell into this idea of supplementing T3 but after diligent research it seemed to be a bad idea

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[Zyglamail]

Yeah, I wasnt insinuating you advised him to sup T3... I just see so many people incorp that in their cycle to lose BF and it seems like a really bad idea. Especially after reading the information you laid out. Ill be honest.. I almost fell into this idea of supplementing T3 but after diligent research it seemed to be a bad idea

The reason thyroid meds are so frequently prescribed is that the FDA claims the safe upper iodine limit is 400mcg. With that in mind a "regular doc" isnt going to recommend any more than that and thats rarely even close to whats needed to restore optimal thyroid function.

Things are further confused because poorly done studies have shown iodine alone to cause more problems, which it does, and thats because iodine, like most nutrients, doesnt work alone. It needs other crucial elements (selenium, various B's etc) and without them, iodine alone will exacerbate the problem.

 

[stevesmi]

Depends on your definition of wrong I guess. Do I think there is a medical need for immediate action? Naw. BUT most people here are looking to optimize their training, diet, strength etc.

You optimize results by optimizing your bodily functions and depending on who you believe some professionals claim that between 10 and 40 of the population has an underfunctioning thyroid. The easy way to tell is take your basal metabolic temperature and you will know.

exactly. in the year 2013 what is considered normal is very different then it used to be.

and in another 20 years its gonna be even worse due to overpopulation and other factors

 

[matter2003]

Yes,Armour is the way to go, or the new generic that came out. They are also finding more and more that T2, long thought to be useless does perform important functions.

Also Japan has the highest iodine intake daily at about 12.5mg and are among the healthiest people in the world

 

[Zyglamail]

Also Japan has the highest iodine intake daily at about 12.5mg and are among the healthiest people in the world

Thats why im currently loading iodine with 50mg a day. Fat is melting away with no other changes.

 

[Shrine1]

Thats why im currently loading iodine with 50mg a day. Fat is melting away with no other changes.

Zyglamail you mentioned this before but where is the best place to find iodine?

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[burnthiscorpse]

Yes,Armour is the way to go, or the new generic that came out. They are also finding more and more that T2, long thought to be useless does perform important functions.

Also Japan has the highest iodine intake daily at about 12.5mg and are among the healthiest people in the world

T2 is an important factor for sure.

 

[matter2003]

I personally use Lugol's

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Yeah, I wasnt insinuating you advised him to sup T3... I just see so many people incorp that in their cycle to lose BF and it seems like a really bad idea. Especially after reading the information you laid out. Ill be honest.. I almost fell into this idea of supplementing T3 but after diligent research it seemed to be a bad idea

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I will be the first to say that I believe supplementing a thyroid compound such as armour while on cycle is a great idea. ESPECIALLY with tren. AAS pounds the piss out of your thyroid function. Now that being said I would never recommend someone to do this. Far too easy for people to fuck themselves up with thyroid meds.
Since I already take armour myself I can say that during the next cycle I plan to run which will be june 2014 I will definitely be tapering up my armour slowly to double what I take now.

Using AAS if you are already slightly or moderately hypo can lean you in the direction of adrenal fatigue pretty quick too after pct. Adrenal fatigue is NO JOKE folks. Its serious shit.


To the OP again.... I would try an adrenal fatigue supplement. Biomax also makes a legit sublingual. I am watching its effects be proven every day since my wife started taking it. EIther way it cant hurt you. DHEA, Biomax (adrenal cortex), and pregnolone are the first steps in the right direction for adrenal issues.

Lots of good info in this thread guys.

 

[Shrine1]

I personally use Lugol's

So this is something you can start supplementing right out of the gate? The only reason I ask is Zyglamail had mentioned a few ways to tell if you are deficient, but it just seems like a lot of work and I felt like I had to be a chemist.. Zyglamail is obvuously very intelligent so no pun intended. It was just a little over my head is all

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[Zyglamail]

Zyglamail you mentioned this before but where is the best place to find iodine?

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Use a logol solution (liquid, generic name for the iodine/iodine mixture, few manufacturers) or iodoral (pill form of lugol solution only made by 1 company I believe). I just got them off amazon.

For loading I went with 50mg iodoral tabs and have 5% lugols solution (6.25mg per drop) for when I drop down to maintenance after 90 days.

 

[matter2003]

I will be the first to say that I believe supplementing a thyroid compound such as armour while on cycle is a great idea. ESPECIALLY with tren. AAS pounds the piss out of your thyroid function. Now that being said I would never recommend someone to do this. Far too easy for people to fuck themselves up with thyroid meds.
Since I already take armour myself I can say that during the next cycle I plan to run which will be june 2014 I will definitely be tapering up my armour slowly to double what I take now.

Using AAS if you are already slightly or moderately hypo can lean you in the direction of adrenal fatigue pretty quick too after pct. Adrenal fatigue is NO JOKE folks. Its serious shit.


To the OP again.... I would try an adrenal fatigue supplement. Biomax also makes a legit sublingual. I am watching its effects be proven every day since my wife started taking it. EIther way it cant hurt you. DHEA, Biomax (adrenal cortex), and pregnolone are the first steps in the right direction for adrenal issues.

Lots of good info in this thread guys.

Thanks, just looked at it and ordered the Biomax sublingual...I very likely do have adrenal fatigue having psoriasis for 13+ years now really stresses the body...

I already have pregnenelone but haven't really taken it often, and I have DHEA so I can make a transdermal DHEA again...do all 3 in conjuncture with each other? What's the pregnenelone dose recommended?

 

[matter2003]

So this is something you can start supplementing right out of the gate? The only reason I ask is Zyglamail had mentioned a few ways to tell if you are deficient, but it just seems like a lot of work and I felt like I had to be a chemist.. Zyglamail is obvuously very intelligent so no pun intended. It was just a little over my head is all

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Easy way to tell if you are deficient is to paint a small circle of iodine on your abdomen, if it is gone before 24 hours you are deficient, the quicker its gone, the more deficient you are...

 

[Zyglamail]

So this is something you can start supplementing right out of the gate?

Yes, you can start right out of the gate. Keep in mind there are many tissues in the body that need iodine so even if your thyroid doesnt need it I can about guarantee other tissues do. Its very important in male and female sex organs so in turn crucial for hormone creation.

iodine and selenium need to go hand in hand. I would not supplement iodine without having selenium on hand. Assuming your taking a multi with selenium id probably add an additional 200-300mcg daily.

The same place that makes iodoral also makes ATP cofactors which is a good addition as well.

Some like to start slow and gradually increase iodine dose, other jump right it. Be prepared to dump some fluoride and bromide and it could make you feel quite ill. 1/2tbsp UNREFINED salt in 1/2 cup warm water followed by full 12+ ounces water helps with detox symptoms but if they are too much you may have to cut iodine dose.

 

[Shrine1]

Yes, you can start right out of the gate. Keep in mind there are many tissues in the body that need iodine so even if your thyroid doesnt need it I can about guarantee other tissues do. Its very important in male and female sex organs so in turn crucial for hormone creation.

iodine and selenium need to go hand in hand. I would not supplement iodine without having selenium on hand. Assuming your taking a multi with selenium id probably add an additional 200-300mcg daily.

The same place that makes iodoral also makes ATP cofactors which is a good addition as well.

Some like to start slow and gradually increase iodine dose, other jump right it. Be prepared to dump some fluoride and bromide and it could make you feel quite ill. 1/2tbsp UNREFINED salt in 1/2 cup warm water followed by full 12+ ounces water helps with detox symptoms but if they are too much you may have to cut iodine dose.

Thanks! Great information brotha

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[matter2003]

You can also supplement with borax, 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of water sipped throughout the day, which will pull bromides and fluorides out of your body by creating a new compound that then can be flushed out of your body

 

[Zyglamail]

You can also supplement with borax, 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of water sipped throughout the day, which will pull bromides and fluorides out of your body by creating a new compound that then can be flushed out of your body

damn, knew I forgot something, good catch!

I was a little leery about using borax myself so I use triple boron (3mg caps) 1 cap 3x a day.

 

[Shrine1]

What the fuck.. lol. You guys are killing me here. Triple boron.. borax sipping water pulling from the elements

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[matter2003]

The issue is that boron is quickly eliminated from the body, so its much more effective when sipped throughout the day. Borax is simply Sodium Tetraborate, 5 boron atoms with a sodium atom...MSDS safety roughly the same as table salt...

20 mule team all the way, just make sure its unscented...if you know someone with arthritis, this is the cure...boron is to the parathyroid gland what iodine is to the thyroid...the parathyroid controls the calcium magnesium pump...without boron it fails to operate properly,letting calcium go into the muscle, but being unable to pump it out and replace it with magnesium...calcium gets stuck in the muscle, magnesium has no where to go so its flushed out of the body and the calcium can't get to the bones where it belongs...this is why calcium usually does nothing but hurt people with arthritis by making the problem worse...

Proof is countries with the lowest rates of boron like Jamaica have almost a 70% rate of arthritis where even dogs limp around and countries with the highest boron soil content have almost unheard of rates of arthritis of under 1% like Israel(0.7%)

 

[Shrine1]

So I found out my multi supplements 150mcg of iodine and 100mcg of selenium.

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[Zyglamail]

So I found out my multi supplements 150mcg of iodine and 100mcg of selenium.

Thats pretty typical from a multi. its estimated humans need 6-13mg daily, at a minimum thats 40x more than whats in your daily. Loading is to build up the bodies stores until its carrying around optimal levels and then you cut back to daily maintenance dose which I would say for an athletic male is going to be on the high end or around 12-13mg daily which is 86X more than whats in your multi.

For selenium, I would add a dedicated selenium dose of 200-300mcg and take at the oposite time of day as your multi.

 

[matter2003]

Careful with selenium, too much can be highly toxic to the body and its not that much more than a maintenance dose

 

[Zyglamail]

Careful with selenium, too much can be highly toxic to the body and its not that much more than a maintenance dose

Its definitely one to be careful with and if one wasnt supplementing iodine, I would be leary to go over whats in a multi. With iodine supplementation though you need to be certain you have enough selenium or the extra iodine will cause problems. If you stay under 800mcg selenium AND you are taking 12mg iodine or more you should be good to go.

Selenium plays a huge role in DNA and recharging glutathione.

 

[Shrine1]

So borax, selenium and iodine I should be supplementing

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[C0LUMB0]

I dont see any mention of LH or FSH...

on low T you will obviously struggle to hold muscle mass, i dont know what age you are but TRT seems like an option worth considering.

then you can blast and cruise

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Thanks, just looked at it and ordered the Biomax sublingual...I very likely do have adrenal fatigue having psoriasis for 13+ years now really stresses the body...

I already have pregnenelone but haven't really taken it often, and I have DHEA so I can make a transdermal DHEA again...do all 3 in conjuncture with each other? What's the pregnenelone dose recommended?

Yeah all 3 at the same time. My wife has the info on the pregnolone. I'll have to ask her.