lost alot more of my gains this cycle

[die faster]

basically i did 2 oral cycles, gained 20 pounds each, kept 15. but this one i gained 25, and lost about 12 pounds of muscle (not fat or water)

pct and supps were all the same. does this mean i hit my genetic maximum? or could there be something else going on?

im 5'7-5'8 this cycle i went from 185 to 210 with dieselbolan, then got on epistane halfway through, dried out, lost the bloat from the diesel, but maintained at 210 so i know it wasnt water weight i lost. im just about done with pct now, forma,unleashed, post cycle, phytoserms. now im about 197 pounds but my weights been steadily going down.

diet and training are good. my strength has still been gaining. but im losing mass

 

[illkickurass]

Why are you taking anabolics when you are only 185? You still have plenty of potential to grow naturally. Roids are for after you have built a solid base over years of training and are looking to take it to the next level.

 

[die faster]

ehh i started way earlier. i feel 185 is where i should have been when i started my first cycle, def not 3rd.. but its too late now

 

[stevesmi]

Why are you taking anabolics when you are only 185? You still have plenty of potential to grow naturally. Roids are for after you have built a solid base over years of training and are looking to take it to the next level.

I am 185 and people say that I have to cut when they see pics.

when you are 6 feet you have a lot more mass to hold. I am only 5 6.. the OP is an inch taller.

I dont think he is too small for steroids, but I do think he is young and should have more experience.. also quick gains from orals are harder to keep than slow steady gains of injectables. the body doesn't like to carry too much muscle and will do its best to shed it when its put on fast.

want slow and steady gains that are easier to keep? go with primo for 10 weeks.

 

[die faster]

thanks steve, yeah i feel now that im at 185 i have a good base, but when i started originally, it was way too early but not really the subject here. ive never done injectables, i always liked my short 4 week cycles but i think i may give it a try next cycle. 188 at 12% wasnt too hard for me to maintain but i never expected to drop from 210 13% down to 197

 

[lartinos]

Only running oral cycles isn't the most effective way to do things at all.

 

[Judo Tom]

When was your first cycle and when was your 2nd? How long did you have in between?

Also what were your cycles? Your 2nd one sounds a little strange diesel and epi? Did you switch half way through?

Could be a lot of things you want to log it all.. diet, training, pct, supps, sleep... so you can pick and choose what works best for you.

 

[die faster]

last cycle was dieselbolan for 4 weeks, nov 1-30 this cycle was diesel 4 weeks, bridged into epi for 4 weeks starting at week 2, for a total of 6 weeks. started on 4/20. it was a great cycle, gained alot of mass and then tightened up at the end with the epi.

but yeah man diet, training, pct, supps and sleep are all good. if these werent already covered i wouldnt be taking aas in the first place

 

[C.K.]

It happens just keep eating and training hard bro your pct was solid too could always add some creatine in there I always use it when I'm off

 

[die faster]

thanks ck, also forgot to mention i also have DS lean xtreme in my pct to keep cortisol down and hold onto gains. i thought it was helping, but then again i think i felt the epi lingering in my system for a couple weeks. but what should i do about this? did i most likely pass my genetic max when i got to 210? or am i just so close to it that the quicker gains from a 6 week cycle are just easier to lose