Let's see what you think?

[Jeff_rys]

there is only one problem with all the guys putting ** down

quote:

"all the vets saying his shit sucks have a vested interst in other companies, so theyre triend to screw me up to make money".
I leave that in the middle. Don't care myself who makes money out of what, that is not the issue here.

The problem is, every one is saying ** sucks, but no one of those who say that ever used his products.

Furthermore those who are against should bring up the money to prove THEIR point of view.

Now i never used Test or Sust, anyone wanting my advice on that subject? No?

Strange world.

 

[manny78]

El_Cubano usually I wouldnt pay attention to this advice but coming from you well..... Im about to reconsider my next order from IP. Im not saying his products are bad or good, maybe these guys already had high blood pressure problems. But anyway thanks for the infos

 

[Jeff_rys]

Manny, you don't get high BP from **'s products

You get high BP from roids. As for me the only that does not give high BP is Anavar. No mather what brand.

 

[manny78]

Re: Manny, you don't get high BP from **'s products

You get high BP from roids. As for me the only that does not give high BP is Anavar. No mather what brand.

high dosage of Oxandrolone can give you high pressure especially for those having this problem before.....

 

[bstrong]

winny gave me constant bloody nose , and i was on only 50ed (+primo & sus)- and i remember from talking to some bros it's a commen side.

P.S.- i've never tried IP's it was a jurox.

 

[Jeff_rys]

no, not me Manny

and i was using 120 mgr/day, now 40 mgr/day and i changed my mind, from monday 160 mgr every two days.

Furhermore even when on Primo it takes maybe 6 weeks before high BP comes and i am on the Ox for already 15 weeks, one week of nothing in the middle of it, so 15-16 weeks.

 

[manny78]

Re: no, not me Manny

and i was using 120 mgr/day, now 40 mgr/day and i changed my mind, from monday 160 mgr every two days.

Furhermore even when on Primo it takes maybe 6 weeks before high BP comes and i am on the Ox for already 15 weeks, one week of nothing in the middle of it, so 15-16 weeks.

O not for you but some people have high pressure probs... even without taking roids... so by taking gear (even anavar) they can increase their problem.. As I told you before few people are concerned and it takes high dosage of Ox to get it.....

 

[John Woe]

Bottom line is this I think, some of his stuff comes out legit, some comes out underdosed. You'll never know what batch you got unless you test it. I believe this way he makes most people happy but here and there he tries to save some money and makes stuff light. He figures people will still come back if for the most part things work out. Seriously think about it, if you get good gains most of the time its cool, if you don't you'll probably think it might be the products. So you try it again and things work out and you forget about his stuff being questionable and you restore faith.

 

[Bulldog_10]

IP Sust, winny, anavar, arimidex, clomid (coming soon). I used all of them and give them all a 10, on a scale from 1-10. If you've used them and not gotten results than, I'm sorry.

But this is just like that argument last week about the supposed "scammer". All the mods, vets, etc... said that you must have proof before calling someone a scammer.

So why don't all the people that are beasically calling IP a scammer have some tests done and prove what you are saying.

As we all know, different people respond differently to different substances! We all know this to be fact!! So if some people didn't respond to ip's shit, why can't this be the answer, like it is when the shit is known to be legit?? As soon as someone, not many, doesn't get gains from IP's shit, it is assumed to be bunk! What the Fuck? If you use ttokkyo EQ and get no results, should that person come on here and say that ttokkyo is no good? And if more than one person don't get results on the same EQ should it be labeled bunk gear? NO!

I will say the same thing you vets said about that other supposed scammer: What if what you are saying is not true, then you have ruined his reputation. Did you guys think of that? What if this guy really does take pride in delivering quality gear?

You are right...we don't know him, but neither do you. So, just because you are a mod, gives you no right to say his shit is bunk without a test. So if you want to call his gear shit, get it tested and prove it. After that you can shove it all the IP supporters faces, and laugh at us! Because all the "all knowing" mods were right and us "newbies" were wrong.

I'll quote Stew Meat:

It does sound bad on the surface, but this board has rules and guidelines that must be followed in order to protect people's reputations

Do these rules and guidelines not apply to IP??

The only ones that should give their opinions on IP's products are the ones that have tried it. You can tell us all you want that "I will stay away from his stuff" but that's all you should say! You can tell us what other people have told you about his products. But No opinions should be rendered unless you have actually used it.

Sorry if I've offended anyone, especially the mods

See Ya,
B-10

 

[Jeff_rys]

Kingjohn i live in a shitty world

especially Europe, a combination of many shitty countries.

And i had my share of high BP, even when i never had taken any roid at all. So Manny, anyone with high BP should not take roids to begin with, or should take mediation to control that BP.
Still i find it very hard to believe, anyone with high BP would get an even higher when taken Ox.
Now i am going to answer the way i always get answers.
I want proof and on paper of that.