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Let the the Transdermal Tren/Test stack begin!

mstiles87 said:
Krav. Do you get itchiness when you apply the transdermal s. I just started mine no burning but itchiness.
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No I didn't get anything the first few times but after awhile it dries out your skin and starts to burn pretty bad. If you apply the J&J baby lotion a few minutes after applying the liquid, then it helps prevent this from happening.

I have been applying one compound to one thight, the other compound on the other thigh. I would do the bicep too, but I can't apply it without it running all over my arm before I get a chance to rub it in.

I'm w/ psizzle and everyone else when they say it's legit. I haven't had any crazy fast gains, but I am noticing a few things that correlate with tren:

1) My cardio is turning to shit, especially on leg exercises. I was huffing and puffing during legs last night, so bad that I almost threw up a ouple times. I haven't breathed that hard during a leg workout sincer I was still a smoker lol

2) Insomnia, the past few days I haven't slept for more than an hour at a time. Still feel ok when I wake up in the morning though.

3) nightsweats: haven't had these bad, but still noticed them a couple of nights.

4) testicular atrophy: not a lot, but the boys are certainly a little smaller than usualy. Although, this has been better since my HCGenerate has kicked in, they're a little more plump than they were last week.

5) lack of sex drive: I can still use him just fine, I wake up w/ morning wood like usual, but my overall interest in sex is little to none for the most part.

6) even after a leg workout that almost made me puke and had me hobbling out to the car, my legs aren't really sore today. I heard some other people say this is an effect for them too.

Like Psizzle said, even when I have cheat meals or stuff my face before bed, I wake up a little leaner than the morning before, with muscles looking fuller than ever. If all this is placebo effect then my mind must be much stronger than I thought lol

I am just into week 3, and they said that's probably when this stuff sshould really start kicking in, so we will see how it goes from here on out!
 
Awesome. The way I know my winny is kicking in: the strength increases. Not just a 'oh sweet, I think I can add some 2.5's to this set' type increase...I'm talking addin a 5 or 10 to each side increase, and for a girl that's huge.

And I'm also experiencing the itchiness. No burning, but the thighs sometimes itch after applying.

You have a good log going. Keep it up!
 
The strength increases I've noticed have been in the form of added sets or reps. I have bad knees and a bad shoulder, and no workout partner, so without a proper spotter I can't add a whole lot of weight without risking further injury. However on self-spotting stuff like smith machine or legs press I have been able to move much more than usual.
 
It's not out of your system in 36 hours, that's the half life. It will take your body around a week or so to return to natural hormone levels.
 
I think I need to add more cardio to my routine workouts, rather than just a couple times a week during krav, jiu jitsu or boxing.

I'm sick of this extra bit of belly fat. Even though I'm losing it overall, I would like to tighten it up a little more quickly.

Should I add like 20 minutes of light-moderate cardio before lifting? Or should I add it after?

I've heard cardio after lifting can be detrimental for muscle repair, but I think that is just for people trying to pack on loads of muscle.

I also don't want to wear myself out before lifting, so I'm a bit conflicted.

What would yall recommend here?
 
Honestly, I'd tweak your diet...tren isn't friendly with cardio, you'll find that out the hard way if you try doing more
 
kravmaga02 said:
I think I need to add more cardio to my routine workouts, rather than just a couple times a week during krav, jiu jitsu or boxing.

I'm sick of this extra bit of belly fat. Even though I'm losing it overall, I would like to tighten it up a little more quickly.

Should I add like 20 minutes of light-moderate cardio before lifting? Or should I add it after?

I've heard cardio after lifting can be detrimental for muscle repair, but I think that is just for people trying to pack on loads of muscle.

I also don't want to wear myself out before lifting, so I'm a bit conflicted.

What would yall recommend here?
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Cardio is only detrimental to muscle repair when your going at a heart rate above 75% for a long ass time. I do about 20-30 minutes on the treadmill usually at 3.0 speed and 6.0/7.0 incline. When doing cardio try keeping your heart rate around 60%. Max heart rate is 230-your age, adjust accordingly.
 
seandh07 said:
Cardio is only detrimental to muscle repair when your going at a heart rate above 75% for a long ass time. I do about 20-30 minutes on the treadmill usually at 3.0 speed and 6.0/7.0 incline. When doing cardio try keeping your heart rate around 60%. Max heart rate is 230-your age, adjust accordingly.
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So would you say before or after lifting or does it not matter as long as I don't go too intense?
 
Last night was chest. The gym was so packed I had to change up my workout a bit to keep the pump going:

Bench press: 6 x 6-10
Iso-lateral incline bench: 4 x 8-10
Smith machine incline: 6 x 8-10
Machine flyes: 6 x 8-10

One note on strength, during flat bench I noticed it seemed very light, despite me not being at 100% yesterday.

I wasn't in the best of moods going into the gym, but 225 still felt very light and I repped it out 8 times very easily, slow and controlled, no bouncing at all. I haven't even done free weight bench for a couple weeks (last week I just stuck to smith machine), yet it was surprisingly easy.
 
kravmaga02 said:
I think I need to add more cardio to my routine workouts, rather than just a couple times a week during krav, jiu jitsu or boxing.

I'm sick of this extra bit of belly fat. Even though I'm losing it overall, I would like to tighten it up a little more quickly.

Should I add like 20 minutes of light-moderate cardio before lifting? Or should I add it after?

I've heard cardio after lifting can be detrimental for muscle repair, but I think that is just for people trying to pack on loads of muscle.

I also don't want to wear myself out before lifting, so I'm a bit conflicted.

What would yall recommend here?
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dude hit up the stairmaster for about 20-30 minutes after your workouts. also tweak the diet. go at about 40-50 steps per minute. or do the treadmill at 3.5mph at a 5 degree incline.
stairmaster is better though because it will burn more calories. i am taking the tren, and these are not hard to do. if you get a bunch of taurine in preworkout and pre cardio these will be even easier. main problem i have is my legs getting so pumped that i can't keep going. also, i find getting some carbs before the cardio helps with the breathing aspect of tren. i feel ten million times better after getting carbs, and can easily go kill my workout. if you are almost passing out doing legs, then you need to up your carbs preworkout and also consider intra-workout carbs like dextrose or maltodextrin.

but like steve has said, tren needs carbs. if you don't have them, you get sides. i listened, and it has helped

the diet changes can help with the tren sides you are experiencing. also, are you still taking caber? i haven't had any sides since week one on these, like everything is normalized now.
 
Search transdermal test not effective on the forums. Mods closed the thread because a member posted bloods that show its doing nothing...read the thread and then ask.."why the fuk is the thread closed"

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jeremyng25 said:
Search transdermal test not effective on the forums. Mods closed the thread because a member posted bloods that show its doing nothing...read the thread and then ask.."why the fuk is the thread closed"

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Yeah that guy posted his bloods less than a week after stopping an injection cycle and he was already shut down, he didn't give the products enough time.

Needto and I as well as many others are taking these and fucking love them. Quit going around talking shit until YOU yourself try something and have TRUE proof.
 
jimroid31 said:
Are the mods getting a kick back from Gator or something. Pretty fucked that proof comes out that it's bunk gear and nobody is allowed to comment. Having the link to the transdermals on the mods bio should have caused for concern. I'm pretty much done on this site after this shit.

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When we hear of a good product, we help get the word out to our members. That's all.

But by all means, leave if you wish!
 
No his brothers bloods are in...his brother has never used steroids..his test levels did not increase and they closed the thread before he could post bloods

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LMAO..Dude Im just going to ask that you please slow down and allow me and others to do their jobs before you run around with a pitchfork. You think just because a thread is locked ( even if only for a hour or so some times lol) that is some kind of conspiracy?? The fact you jumped so quickly and started bashing leaders that fast makes me wounder about you. You are pretty knew here so I will give you a pass as well as time to get to know us and how things work around here. For now chill out please and go back to normal posting. Is this cool with you?
 
jimroid31 said:
These are the real deal.

There is no magic pill or in this case liquid. I have been on the test, ,tren and winny for 13 days and I am making gains that would never happen without this stuff. I feel great and have been adding great lean mass and awesome strength as each day goes by.

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Exactly man ^^^^^^^^^^ see even your own words. YOu are seeing awesome results your self. So Like I said in the pm just chill out I know you are new here but calm down and dont get so angry about a place not contacting you fast enough there is always a reason. Let things get taken care of. And let me get back to my job tonight. Thank you
 
ballslee said:
dude hit up the stairmaster for about 20-30 minutes after your workouts. also tweak the diet. go at about 40-50 steps per minute. or do the treadmill at 3.5mph at a 5 degree incline.
stairmaster is better though because it will burn more calories. i am taking the tren, and these are not hard to do. if you get a bunch of taurine in preworkout and pre cardio these will be even easier. main problem i have is my legs getting so pumped that i can't keep going. also, i find getting some carbs before the cardio helps with the breathing aspect of tren. i feel ten million times better after getting carbs, and can easily go kill my workout. if you are almost passing out doing legs, then you need to up your carbs preworkout and also consider intra-workout carbs like dextrose or maltodextrin.

but like steve has said, tren needs carbs. if you don't have them, you get sides. i listened, and it has helped

the diet changes can help with the tren sides you are experiencing. also, are you still taking caber? i haven't had any sides since week one on these, like everything is normalized now.
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Yup still on caber. My sides haven't been too bad, and I've been drinking a little apple juice before bed, or eating a couple mandarin oranges, something along those lines.

The creatine I have has about 25g simple carbs in it, but I'm afraid that may hurt my fat loss in case I'm not burning enough calories
 
Krav this has been a awesome log so far man. Great detail on everything. Glad to see the transdermal's are treating you well, can't wait to run mine.
Iv'e been reading the negative chatter on them as well as the positive. But I'm still looking forward to my cycle of test/tren/winny. I plan to get bloods before during and after so if they do turn up bunk,,I guess i can just chalk it up as a lesson learned go back to injectibles. Kinda the nature of this game right!
But keep killen it Krav, awesome job!!:mix:
 
ya I saw all that negative chatter on a few threads earlier. Lots of drama surrounding it apparently lol.

I'll admit it is a bit discouraging to hear all that, but so far my personal experience has been pretty positive. I figured I would weigh in on that topic:

I'm the leanest I've been in a couple years, I'd say even more so than when I cut down to 210 last year. I'm weighing in at 217, and I'm staying lean despite getting stronger in the gym.

My diet has changed and my workouts have got more intense, so I suppose the physical differences could be due to that rather than AAS, like placebo effect and diet changes.

On the other hand, my interest in sex is virtually gone, although I can still get it up just fine. I'm a freaking horn dog normally, like semi-debilitating. So I feel that says something, as the only time since I started puberty that I lose interest in sex is during AAS cycles or when I've had too much cocaine (college).

Also, my balls have shrank a bit, and I'm proud to say that under normal cicumstances they are pretty damn big and hang pretty low.

I'm not sure if placebo could cause these things, some women's body's can undergo changes as though they were pregnant, even though they aren't, due to placebo effect.

I've yet to get bloods ran, I don't want to tell my personal doc that I'm trying to test to see if my roids are effective lol I don't want that to go on my health insurance.

Anyone know how I can get around this? My plan would be to apply the transdermal 2-3 hours beforehand, so I know it is running strong while they draw blood.

I'm going to continure as I have been, since I'm still making gains. After a couple more weeks, if I find a dsicreet way to do so, I;ll get some bloods. I figure after 4 weeks there would be no excuse for the stuff to not show up
 
kravmaga02 said:
Yup still on caber. My sides haven't been too bad, and I've been drinking a little apple juice before bed, or eating a couple mandarin oranges, something along those lines.

The creatine I have has about 25g simple carbs in it, but I'm afraid that may hurt my fat loss in case I'm not burning enough calories
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what kind of creatine is that?
may want to drop that.
 
Cahardcore said:
Www . Privatemedlabs . Com

Order your test online, got to a testing location, get your results... No doctor needed
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wouuld i get the test for free and total testosterone?
 
For cardio I'd do HIIT. Since you're a combat athlete I'd simulate a Thai fight. 20 seconds on 20 seconds off treadmill sprints. 5 - 3 minute rounds with a minute in between. High incline, high speed.
 
interesting idea. I may have to try that...
 
kravmaga02 said:
wouuld i get the test for free and total testosterone?
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Hopefully someone will be more specific for you since I've never done the Private MD thing, but I know you order the Female Hormone Panel.

I'm not sure if you need to add anything else to it though. Someone will chime in eventually...
 
I just read this thing about how you can put injectable juice in the freezer to see if the hormone separates from the oil when it cools, as a means of testing whether the stuff is legit or not. Does anyone know if this would work with a transdermal solution?

I realize it isn't as definitive as a blood test but hey it doesn't cost 80 bucks either and its something I don't have to wait two weeks for...

Just a thought. Let me know whether yall think this would work or not, I figured since it is an oil it may work the same.
 
It's called a freeze precipitation. It's a technique chemists use to remove a solute from a solvent. I never thought of that- good idea! Sometimes its hard to get the solute to precipitate and fall out of solution though. Sometimes if the concentration isn't high enough it won't fall out, sometimes you need to drop a crystal in to kick off the process, sometimes the solution is stubborn and just won't fall out lol. Worth a try though. That would be interesting. You could filter the precipitate out with coffee filters, dry it, and weigh it to see how much is actually in the product. Then, you could just put it back in and re-dissolve. Don't actually freeze it though. That shouldn't be too much of a problem though since mine smells like alcohol and DMSO.

Just cause you pour syrup on shit don't make it pancakes.
 
mr.railgrinder said:
It's called a freeze precipitation. It's a technique chemists use to remove a solute from a solvent. I never thought of that- good idea! Sometimes its hard to get the solute to precipitate and fall out of solution though. Sometimes if the concentration isn't high enough it won't fall out, sometimes you need to drop a crystal in to kick off the process, sometimes the solution is stubborn and just won't fall out lol. Worth a try though. That would be interesting. You could filter the precipitate out with coffee filters, dry it, and weigh it to see how much is actually in the product. Then, you could just put it back in and re-dissolve. Don't actually freeze it though. That shouldn't be too much of a problem though since mine smells like alcohol and DMSO.

Just cause you pour syrup on shit don't make it pancakes.
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I'm not sure what you mean by drop a crystal in, I'd like to refrain from tampering with the contents too much though. I figure if it is 50mg/mL then it should separate. And Gator said it does have DMSO so I'll stick it in the freezer for about 30 mins and see what happens. If nothing happens I'll wait another 30 and see what happens.

I dunno if I would want to filter it out with coffee filters. If there are hormones in the solution that is my main concern, and if this could prove it then it would be nice to have the peace of mind.
 
ballslee said:
i would just be worried about wasting it.
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This. If you're concerned, I would say it is definitely worth the money for the labs. Say you try to separate it and you can't get it to reconstitute properly. Then you don't really have a clear, definitive answer like labs would give AND you've ruined your gear. That's what I would do for sure.
 
Well I received a bottle of test for free that's the one im gunna put in there. Its been in fir almost two hours and nothing has happened yet. I suppose either way the bloods will tell. I just don't want to wait another two weeks to know if its gtg or not... oh well I guess we'll find out eventually.

Im almost a full 3 weeks in and will be going into week 4 on Saturday. I imagine that going into 4 weeks I should start to notice some more dramatic effects.

The only thing keeping me guessing is whether the gains I've had could be due to a better diet and more intense training.

The whole thing is a little disheartening I must admit but I will say that my training and diet will not change and my motivation is still high so either way ill still be making gains, whether it be natural or otherwise lol


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I wouldn't let it freeze. and also, it could not do the same thing as injectable compounds......it is formed much differently.
 
ballslee said:
I wouldn't let it freeze. and also, it could not do the same thing as injectable compounds......it is formed much differently.
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I wont let it freeze and i agree it may not do the same thing since it is a different compound. I figured it was worth a shot though

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Cool that the tren seems to be workin for everybody! Question though... with the lack of sex drive... is that showing the test is not doing its part? Seems like everyone experiencing results is getting the results from something else. For example heard great things about the winny, tren etc. but no positive talk about the test. Just something ive noticed.
 
BigLP said:
Cool that the tren seems to be workin for everybody! Question though... with the lack of sex drive... is that showing the test is not doing its part? Seems like everyone experiencing results is getting the results from something else. For example heard great things about the winny, tren etc. but no positive talk about the test. Just something ive noticed.
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I dunno I've never used test b4. I think im going to increase the test a bit to see if I feel any different. Maybe just another 1/2 ml ed.

And an update ib the freezing thing. It was in there for over 3 hours and didn't separate or freeze. Not sure if that means anything but now we know that much at least. Looks the exact same as the bottle that hasn't been in the freezer

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Sorry I got a little excited about the possible chemistry experiment lol. I think chemistry experiments are fun. Go figure. Anyway, it wouldn't be wasting it if you were careful, but you would definitely loose a few mgs. Coffee filters work well if you don't have access to lab grade filters. A much easier way would to evaporate say .5 ml on a mirror or plate and see what's left. You could then weigh it if you had a scale that measures in mg and see if there was 25 mg of stuff in it. That being said, unless you have a degree in analytical chemistry and access to a lab it will only tell you SOMETHING is in there, not what. I agree that if you are concerned, have it analyzed by a lab. I'd definitely like to see that happen.

Just cause you pour syrup on shit don't make it pancakes.
 
ya I don't have access to that sort of stuff so I guess I'll just have to wait until I can get some blood work done
 
Rockwilder said:
Hopefully someone will be more specific for you since I've never done the Private MD thing, but I know you order the Female Hormone Panel.

I'm not sure if you need to add anything else to it though. Someone will chime in eventually...
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so the female hormone panel I found tests for the following hormones:
LH
FSH
Estradiol
Testosterone, serum

Does this sound right?
 
I forgot to post my last two workouts. Last night was back:

Romanian deadlifts 4 x 10
Heavy Deadlifts 2 x 5-8
Wide grip pull ups 1 x failure
close grip pull ups 1 x failure
BB rows: 6 x 8-10
Close grip rows 4 x 8-10
Wide grip pull downs 4 x 10
Close grip pull downs 4 x 10
BB pullovers 4 x 10

abs

Today was arms:

BB curls 3 x 6-8
Skullcrushers 3 x 10
DB curls 3 x 10
French presses: 3 x 10
Machine curls 3 x 6 each arm and 3 x 10 both arms
Overhead extensions 3 x 10
Preachers 3 x 3-failure w/ negatives
pushdowns 9 x 6-10

abs

My deadlift went up pretty significantly last night. I've never done that much for 5-8 reps without feeling like I was just hurting myself, so that is a good sign of strength gains going into the end of week 3
 
psizzle_8 said:
Yeah that guy posted his bloods less than a week after stopping an injection cycle and he was already shut down, he didn't give the products enough time.

Needto and I as well as many others are taking these and fucking love them. Quit going around talking shit until YOU yourself try something and have TRUE proof.
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I just wish they let him post his bro labs at least
 
Like some one else in a another thread stated. He isn't or hasn't been banned. He can still post them if he wanted to. So why hasn't he?!
 
BxBomber said:
Like some one else in a another thread stated. He isn't or hasn't been banned. He can still post them if he wanted to. So why hasn't he?!
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I don't think he wants to push his luck TOO Much you know what I mean?

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BigLP said:
Cool that the tren seems to be workin for everybody! Question though... with the lack of sex drive... is that showing the test is not doing its part? Seems like everyone experiencing results is getting the results from something else. For example heard great things about the winny, tren etc. but no positive talk about the test. Just something ive noticed.
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test worked for me. i got one bottle just to try it out as a preworkout on chest days. It's the real deal holyfield. i take it at lunch, and then go workout around 530. feels great.
honestly, if you don't feel this shit pretty quickly then i don't know what to say. i feel mine right away. Krav maybe you should try out like 2 CC's per day. see how that is for you on the test.
one other key thing you should notice in the increase in dosage is extra estrogen retention. stop taking aromasin and see if you bloat up. that is a sign right there for ya.
 
I'm going to get my labs done on either saturday or tuesday, depending on if I can get away from work. I'll have been on for a full 3 weeks by that point. The people said I should get my results back well within 48 hours so as long as nothing comes up yall will see my bloods by monday at the earliest or thursday at the latest.

Does it matter if I apply the transdermal that morning? If this stuff has a 36 hour half life then it should be plenty built up in my system to where that isn't necessary, right?

What level should my test be at if this stuff is legit? yesterday I started dosing the test at 1.5ml ed, I have been at 1ml ed for the rest of the time.
 
ballslee said:
i would just do it in the morning to be sure. it should be like greater than 1500.....
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Ok cool. I'll try to get it applied like 2-3 hours beforehand. I may have to wait until tuesday if I want to be sure that I'm able to do that.
 
Tonight was shoulders:

DB press: 3 x 10
Isolateral shouluder press: 4 x 10-12
DB laterals: 4 x 10-15
Military press: 3 x 10-15
Front raises: 4 x 10
Rear delts: 4 x 12-15
Pulley rear delts: 4 x 15
Bent over pulley rear delts 3 x 10
Shrugs 4 x failure

abs

Weight went up on some of these. Have rotator cuff issues so its difficult for me to see fast gains on shoulders, can't load a whole lot of weight so I gotta go for volume
 
Ok looks like I will be getting bloodwork done tomorrow morning. They said the female hormone panel only takes 24-48 hours to process so I should have results pretty quick.
 
question for someone who knows:

The requisition form says I need to fast for 12 hours before the bloodwork. Does this still apply even though we are testing administered testosterone?
 
krav, being retired military it was custom for me to not eat before any blood tests we had to do. But then again i never had one that checked test, but i thnk it may be normal procedure as some foods and drinks may affect your levels.
 
ya I was going to fast to be safe, unless someone on here tells me otherwise
 
As far as I know, the primary reason you fast is to check your glucose levels and cholesterol, I don't see how food will affect your test levels very much if any actually. On the safe side, just fast for 12 hours :D
 
I just had a thought. Would Tren show up as testosterone in a blood test since it is derived from testosterone?

Cuz I have been experiencing normal sides for tren, so I wonder: if the test was a bad batch like some people think, but the tren was g2g like many other people think, the bloods wouldn't make any kind of distinction between the two right?
 
devildoc said:
As far as I know, the primary reason you fast is to check your glucose levels and cholesterol, I don't see how food will affect your test levels very much if any actually. On the safe side, just fast for 12 hours :D
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This is correct. Even cholesterol you can get away with fasting labs every other time it is checked (at least that was what the family medicine doc I worked with for awhile did). Usually, fasting doesn't hurt people to do for 8-12 hours anyways, but I have read that tren can lead to bad hypoglycemic side effects when your blood glucose gets too low so if those things happen I'd definitely say you should get some carbs.
 
kravmaga02 said:
I just had a thought. Would Tren show up as testosterone in a blood test since it is derived from testosterone?

Cuz I have been experiencing normal sides for tren, so I wonder: if the test was a bad batch like some people think, but the tren was g2g like many other people think, the bloods wouldn't make any kind of distinction between the two right?
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I had been wondering about that too. Like if you ran a cycle without a test base, you'd expect on cycle labs to show suppressed testosterone levels. I guess if your test is low it may just indicate that the transdermal test is bunk, which would be weird because transdermal test is used for a lot of TRT so we know it is possible to do...

Maybe ask if they have a trenbolone lab panel? :rolleyes:
 
Ok got my blood drawn today so we will see the results here in a couple days. Looking forward to seeing what we got here, hopefully it will help clear up some of the issues
 
Still doing the rest of my transdermals but I hopped back on some sus 250 just as a fail safe. I really feel the tren works but I've been doing 2ml a day.

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I'm gunna start on 2ml a day and see if there are any changes
 
Had legs today.

Squats:

6 x 8-10
Leg press normal stance 6 x 10
Leg press wide stance 4 x 10
Les press narrow stance 2 x 8-10

Abs

Knees were a little sore today and the gym was closing so I had to cut my session a bit short.

Weight went up on everything though. Squats it went up an extra 40 lbs for 8 rep sets, leg press went up a an extra 90 lbs

I have been having some weird shoulder pain in my bad shoulder lately, kinda worries me.

Hopefully it won't inhibit me from doing upper body, I hate falling apart lol I have chest tomorrow so we shall see.

Also my bloods will be in either tomorrow or the next day so I will be sure to post them as soon as I get them.

I think upping the tren was a good idea, my abs are popping a bit more already, and my legs felt much stronger today.

Strange how my upper body lifts haven't gone up a whole lot, yet my legs are getting much stronger, I guess they must have really been lagging and the tren is helping them catch up...
 
Got chest tonight. I'm hoping my shoulder won't get in the way too much. I'll post here later after my workout!

Oh and no bloods today so maybe they'll be in tomorrow, for those of you that wanted to see them
 
waiting with great anticipation to see them!! was prolactin one of the things that you had analyzed? that would have been a good opportunity to check if the caber you got is the real deal
 
I don't think that one was on the female hormone panel
 
Tonight was chest, had a spotter so I was able to go a little heavier than normal:

Bench 4 x 5-10
Db incline 3 x 15, 10, 6
Pulley flyes 9 x failure (pyramid sets)
pull overs 3 x 15

abs

I've started doing 20 mins moderate cardio before each session. I want to shed the rest of this belly fat and I feel like that is the best way to do it. My diet is pretty good now I think I just want to speed up the fat burn a bit.

I noticed the other day after fasting I looked pretty ripped that morning. I was wondering what yall would think about me not doing carbs at night post workout anymore. Just good fats and protein.

I don't want to lose strength from cutting too many carbs, but at the same time I can feel myself getting close to that point where my abs start to show better. Do yall think I should cut out carbs after 8 or just stay with the slow and steady route?
 
nope no gyno and yes you are right thats what it says. Ive been taking arimidex too (supposedly). I'm not sure how to interpret this but I'm shocked ive made any gains at all with this panel and that I dont have bitch tits already
 
kravmaga02 said:
nope no gyno and yes you are right thats what it says. Ive been taking arimidex too (supposedly). I'm not sure how to interpret this but I'm shocked ive made any gains at all with this panel and that I dont have bitch tits already
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I have to agree. Staying in good shape with a healthy diet with regular gym time is proven to increase test production naturally and lower estrogen. This panel boggles my mind. It's almost as if the transdermal is working in a negative way. I'm contemplating stopping my winny transdermal now if its effecting negatively.
 
ya im a little freaked out by it. I've been making gains, not crazy but still making them, all with levels like this?

I guess it shows what a better diet and more intense training will do for you lol even if your hormones are shit you can still look better than good hormones with bad diet...
 
kravmaga02 said:
ya im a little freaked out by it. I've been making gains, not crazy but still making them, all with levels like this?

I guess it shows what a better diet and more intense training will do for you lol even if your hormones are shit you can still look better than good hormones with bad diet...
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This is a bummer man! Hopefully Needto can get to the bottom of this for us. But on the bright side, look at the gains you've made, naturally and with low T. If I were you I'd stop and pct and retake bloods to make sure you're body is good. There may be something with these transdermals having a reverse effect, maybe not all product but a few batches. Like I said. Pct abs new bloods just to make sure you don't have low T, then if course if you do, that just mea a pharm grade shit by script!! Lol look for the positive or something like that!
 
Ya i think im gunna start PCT, this is weird. I'm trying to stay positive about it I don't want this to get in the way of the progress that I have been making on my own
 
kravmaga02 said:
Ya i think im gunna start PCT, this is weird. I'm trying to stay positive about it I don't want this to get in the way of the progress that I have been making on my own
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Stay positive bro, you've made hella good gains obviously natty, don't let a product default slow you down. Keep making gains to achieve a better base. Then think of the gains you'll get when you go legit!!
 
kravmaga02 said:
Tonight was chest, had a spotter so I was able to go a little heavier than normal:

Bench 4 x 5-10
Db incline 3 x 15, 10, 6
Pulley flyes 9 x failure (pyramid sets)
pull overs 3 x 15

abs

I've started doing 20 mins moderate cardio before each session. I want to shed the rest of this belly fat and I feel like that is the best way to do it. My diet is pretty good now I think I just want to speed up the fat burn a bit.

I noticed the other day after fasting I looked pretty ripped that morning. I was wondering what yall would think about me not doing carbs at night post workout anymore. Just good fats and protein.

I don't want to lose strength from cutting too many carbs, but at the same time I can feel myself getting close to that point where my abs start to show better. Do yall think I should cut out carbs after 8 or just stay with the slow and steady route?
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you should do your cardio after lifting weights for better fat burning.
 
hey man i think it could be the tren is working for you still. because you are shut down. like your fsh and lh is way low and that indicates shut down. therefore, the tren is definitely working.
but the test being low is the weird part. and estrogen so high even though your taking arimidex.....well the estrogen skyrocketed from you stopping the AI and upping your dose of test. therefore the test is working.

the only weird result is the test 200. my guess here is that, your body is getting some test but not using it all and maybe you have a lot of SHBG bound to it. the increase in estrogen tho clearly shows it is real IN MY OPINION
 
ballslee said:
hey man i think it could be the tren is working for you still. because you are shut down. like your fsh and lh is way low and that indicates shut down. therefore, the tren is definitely working.
but the test being low is the weird part. and estrogen so high even though your taking arimidex.....well the estrogen skyrocketed from you stopping the AI and upping your dose of test. therefore the test is working.

the only weird result is the test 200. my guess here is that, your body is getting some test but not using it all and maybe you have a lot of SHBG bound to it. the increase in estrogen tho clearly shows it is real IN MY OPINION
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I only missed one day of the adex though. Would the test aromatize that much with just a day missed?

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kravmaga02 said:
I only missed one day of the adex though. Would the test aromatize that much with just a day missed?

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Also, even if it has been working, its been mediocre gains, not crazy tren gains. If im shutting myself down for mediocre gains, why not just go natty and take a test booster for the same end result without shutdown.

at this rate im basically giving myself just enough hormones to shut myself down, but not enough to have the effects of AAS

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Lol exactly

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ya well you have been running what i thought was a lower dose.

but all i am saying is there could be a reason your test was so low. i wish stevesmi or some other mod would chime in and give their thoughts on your labs.
 
ballslee said:
ya well you have been running what i thought was a lower dose.

but all i am saying is there could be a reason your test was so low. i wish stevesmi or some other mod would chime in and give their thoughts on your labs.
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Steve did in another thread titled 'transdermal test not effective'
 
needto had a post regarding that other guy's bloods. He said the test could convert to DHT in the skin. Unfortunately my bloods didn't show DHT and he posted that after I had blood drawn.

I suppose the bottom line is that I haven't been getting crazy gains, and ya my dose was relatively low but I'm not about to douse my whole body in this stuff in order for it to work, so it simply isn't as effective for me as it was supposed to be.

I know you said that you've been getting crazy gains on the tren, so maybe my body just isn't absorbing it well or something.

As far as I'm concerned, if the product was supposed to bring my test levels to AAS levels so that I could have AAS results, it failed at doing so, at least in my case.

I could have bought a cheap oral for 30 bucks and had twice the results in this much time, so to me it isn't worth it. No disrespect to the mods, I know they want this stuff to work, and maybe it does for some people, but for me it just isn't.

I am still wondering about the estradiol, if I missed a day of adex, would the test have aromatized that quickly to that high of an amount?
 
I think the 80% absorption figure given by the makers was "pie-in-the-sky" Androgel reports 10%. We used to say the old crushed fina pellets with DMSO or PhloJel had like 50%.
 
kravmaga02 said:
I am still wondering about the estradiol, if I missed a day of adex, would the test have aromatized that quickly to that high of an amount?
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no.
 
ceo said:
I think the 80% absorption figure given by the makers was "pie-in-the-sky" Androgel reports 10%. We used to say the old crushed fina pellets with DMSO or PhloJel had like 50%.
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Agreed. If androgel, designed by pharmaceutical companies, only achieves 10%, how is a UGL gunna get 80? lol

I should've waited on this one, I guess I just got so excited about the possibility of it that I wasn't thinking clearly. Lesson learned...
 
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