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Let the the Transdermal Tren/Test stack begin!

kravmaga02

kravmaga02

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Everyone has been talking about these hot new transderms, so let's see what they got!

my shipping info. says mines will be coming in tomorrow by 12pm. That's overnight I'm impressed with how quick they are expected to get here. I'm putting a hold on my SARMs log to begin this cycle and I'll pick it up again after my PCT.

First off my stats:

age: 25
h: 6 ft
w: 215-217
bf: ? getting pretty lean with the OSTA/S4 stack

I have been working out every day. On my days off weights I do cardio for 30-45 mins.

My diet is pretty clean, I cheat a little on my weekends but most of the time I've been eating only chicken and brown rice, protein supps, raw broccoli with blue cheese, milk, fiber cereal and wheaties, whole wheat bread, tuna w/ pickles and mustard.

No simple carbs except right before or right after a workout (a cookie or something small)

My normal supplements are as follows:

Multi vitamin
resveratrol
co q 10
amino1 (intra)
hyper fx (pre)
aminox (pre)
whey hydrolysate
casein
fish oil
animal flex
bulletproof (bed time)
b-complex
CLA (about to drop it after this bottle)
chromium

I think I'm going to do 2mL a day on the test base and 1mL a day of tren.

I also running arimidex at .5mg ed and nolva at (I think) 20mg ed. I have to double check the nolva I have the dose saved on my email.

I am extremely excited to begin this cycle. I have only run cheap PH's in the past, never something as supposedly effective as Test or Tren. I'll let you guys know when it arrives!

Any advice on this is much appreciated I am always open to suggestions!
 
aromasin would be better choice against test as its type 2, but adex will work..you running caber or prami?

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And I agree with dropping the nolva. It's a transdermal, but still a potent 19nor, and you never mix those two unless you fancy a nice set of bro boobs...
 
RickRock13 said:
I will definitely follow this, but do as the others have said and lose that Nolva. Get yourself some Clomid instead
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Well I'm glad I found this out from yall, the guy from the source told me to just run nolva and arimidex.

So should I run the arimidex and clomid together on cycle? If I do that should I still get caber?

Makes me nervous that he told me I'd be fine with those items...
 
Clomid is for pct bro. The aromasin and caber are for estrogen and prolactic control while on cycle...
 
bigbassturd said:
Clomid is for pct bro. The aromasin and caber are for estrogen and prolactic control while on cycle...
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I was going to use arimidex to control estrogen and nolva to prevent ball shrinkage. So I thought when you said to use clomid instead of nolva, that you meant to run it during cycle.

I've run clomid in the past for PCT, it worked well so I have no problem with that, but what about my balls during cycle? Is it basically inevitable if I'm using Tren?

Maybe I should just run the test first until I figure out my anciliary situation. The guy from venomchat made it seem like it was no big deal running them together with those ancilliaries, now I'm kinda scared to throw tren into the mix so I think this may just be a transderm test cycle now...

Would I still get some dramatic effects running test alone or should I stack with something a little less volatile?
 
^^^You need to be running HCGenerate and HCG on cycle to prevent ball shrinkage.

Also, are you running any cycle support like N2Guard? I would definitely run that...I've read that it's a must when dealing with the harsh sides of Tren.
 
Anyone have a good source for something for prolactin control? The only link here for caber has it at 200 bucks and I really can't afford that right now.

So either I need to find a reliable source that is cheaper for prolactin control, or run just test on this cycle, or wait awhile until I can get the proper ancilliaries at those higher prices.
 
Check the prami or dostinex at ag guys or greatwhitepeptides

For testicular atrophy you'll need hcgenerate on cycle, keeps the balls plump
 
Ok so I am going to wait to order the caber and HCgenerate until my transderms come in. The USPS tracking info says it was supposed to arrive today and I don't think it's coming. So, just in case they never come lol I'm going to hold off on spending the extra hundred bucks...

Not saying the source is bad or anything, but you never know when something can go wrong.

So what do yall think about this:

Test 1mL 2x ed; Tren 1mL 1x ed
Arimidex for estrogen control at .5mg ed
The caber I'm looking at is in pill form at .5mg each. From what I saw you are supposed to start caber at .25 mg twice a week, making it .50mg a week. Should I split the pill in half and take it every 3 days?
I'll get some HCGenerate for testicular atrophy.
I'm not sure about N2guard because it has milk thistle and silamyrin blocks androgen receptors, seems counter-intuitive to block androgens when I am taking androgens. Would that be totally necessary or can I get away with not having it?

What do yall think about this updated cycle plan?
 
Krav how many wks are you planning to run your cycle? Did you get 2 bottles of test/tren each or just 1 bottle each? Also is this your first real AAS cycle? If so you really don't need 700mg of test wk for your first cycle! And tren for a first cycle even if its just a transdermal, really isn't smart. But that's just IMO!

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to watch out for you! :-)
 
saxon369 said:
Krav how many wks are you planning to run your cycle? Did you get 2 bottles of test/tren each or just 1 bottle each? Also is this your first real AAS cycle? If so you really don't need 700mg of test wk for your first cycle! And tren for a first cycle even if its just a transdermal, really isn't smart. But that's just IMO!

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to watch out for you! :-)
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Not at all man, I appreciate your honesty and concern that's why I am logging this to get advice and critique from people with more experience.

I was thinking 8-10 weeks depending on how my body reacts. I have done AAS before, I have done a 4 week SD cycle, a SD/LMG stack, and a low dose SD cut. It has been a year and a half since I've have anything other than herbal supps.

I did everything right, didn't have any sides except a little ball shrinkage towards the end. Got great gains but the LMG made me put on a little more fat than I was going for, it wasn't exactly a clean bulk.

This is my first cycle with these compounds though, and I was thinking that dosage of Test may be overkill but I noticed many people saying that 350mg a week wouldnt produce very noticeable effects. That's why I was thinking of that dose.

As for the Tren, I figured if I wanted dramatic effects then it would be a good stack. Obviously I don't want to f^ck myself up here, but from what I've seen if I'm careful then I'll more than likely be fine. Is it more volatile than oral Superdrol? I handled SD well and I heard that can be pretty intense for some people.

Do you think I should run the test alone for awhile and see how it goes before I add the Tren? I was considering doing that anyway since I've never had test or tren before.
 
saxon369 said:
Krav how many wks are you planning to run your cycle? Did you get 2 bottles of test/tren each or just 1 bottle each? Also is this your first real AAS cycle? If so you really don't need 700mg of test wk for your first cycle! And tren for a first cycle even if its just a transdermal, really isn't smart. But that's just IMO!

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to watch out for you! :-)
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I agree with Saxon's concerns. Tren + Nolva is one red flag in your plan, and prolactin control with tren is another. These seem to be common mistakes, but are mistakes that if made could lead to $10k gyno excision surgery. Just be careful man.

Also, for prolactin control, there are multiple options out there, so if the Caber is too expensive, try something else, like Prami, which was suggested. Caber & Prami are both dopamine agonists, and dopamine is a prolactin antagonist (i.e. dopamine decreases prolactin production), so most dopamine agonists should work. I've seen Prami on research chem sites for less than the $200 some dollars you said the Caber would cost; just another option.
 
lrkoehle said:
I agree with Saxon's concerns. Tren + Nolva is one red flag in your plan, and prolactin control with tren is another. These seem to be common mistakes, but are mistakes that if made could lead to $10k gyno excision surgery. Just be careful man.

Also, for prolactin control, there are multiple options out there, so if the Caber is too expensive, try something else, like Prami, which was suggested. Caber & Prami are both dopamine agonists, and dopamine is a prolactin antagonist (i.e. dopamine decreases prolactin production), so most dopamine agonists should work. I've seen Prami on research chem sites for less than the $200 some dollars you said the Caber would cost; just another option.
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I found a source for caber that was more affordable and have ordered some already. I posted a question about caber dosage earlier but I didn't get an answer.

I was going to do it at .5mg a week, since it is supposed to be pretty strong stuff. Does that sound about right?

...At this point I'm thinkin about just running test I'm starting to get a little freaked out about tren lol
 
Anyone who says tren + nolva = gyno is an idiot. It is complete broscience. Nolva is the only thing I can run with tren that actually prevents gyno flaresn.Search around and you'll see I'm def not the only one bro. Btw I have pubertal gyno as well. Nolva on cycle prevents flare ups.
 
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Kravmaga02 said:
I found a source for caber that was more affordable and have ordered some already. I posted a question about caber dosage earlier but I didn't get an answer.

I was going to do it at .5mg a week, since it is supposed to be pretty strong stuff. Does that sound about right?

...At this point I'm thinkin about just running test I'm starting to get a little freaked out about tren lol
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I have never used tren or caber myself, so I cannot speak from personal experience, but that dosing sounds about right from what I have read. As for a Test only cycle, that would certainly be safer, especially if this is one of your first couple cycles. Tren is some serious stuff. Although there are not any in depth logs of this new transdermal test, test only cycles have traditionally been the way many users first break into the AAS world. Just be careful, and keep researching; if you wanna use the tren, then be sure to read a bunch of traditional tren logs as the transdermal tren will have some of the same side effects and require many of the same precautions. And if you don't think you wanna use the tren this time around, then save it for after other more experienced users have logged it. No shame in that (that's my plan right now).
 
Krav, nolva is garbage period!!

If you decide to run the tren I think you would get very good results with 350mgs a wk of test and 350 a wk of tren. More is not always better with AAS.

I would run it like this.

Wks 1-10. Trans test 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-8 Trans tren 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-10 adex .5mg eod
Wks 1-8 caber .25mg e3d
Wks 6-10 HCgenerate 5 caps Ed split am-noon-pm
Wks 1-8. N2guard 7 caps Ed split am-noon-pm

PCT
Wks 11-14 clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5mg
Wks 11-14 unleashed/postcycle combo
Wks 11-14 DAA 3g Ed
Wks 11-14 Formastanzol 3 pumps am-pm

This is how I would run it, maybe someone else will chime in and Change anything that's not right!

Good luck bro! I would like to follow along if you log it.
 
saxon369 said:
Krav, nolva is garbage period!!

If you decide to run the tren I think you would get very good results with 350mgs a wk of test and 350 a wk of tren. More is not always better with AAS.

I would run it like this.

Wks 1-10. Trans test 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-8 Trans tren 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-10 adex .5mg eod
Wks 1-8 caber .25mg e3d
Wks 6-10 HCgenerate 5 caps Ed split am-noon-pm
Wks 1-8. N2guard 7 caps Ed split am-noon-pm

PCT
Wks 11-14 clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5mg
Wks 11-14 unleashed/postcycle combo
Wks 11-14 DAA 3g Ed
Wks 11-14 Formastanzol 3 pumps am-pm

This is how I would run it, maybe someone else will chime in and Change anything that's not right!

Good luck bro! I would like to follow along if you log it.
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Perfect cycle except id run

trans tren and caber week 2-10
Aromisin instead of adex
 
One last change I would make to the recommended cycle - continue n2guard for at least a week or two after the cycle ends into PCT. People think it's time to stop taking it when they stop taking AAS, but the stuff is still in your system for a while and still affecting your organs, lipids and BP. Give your body a little more help dealing with that for a while.
 
notjake11 said:
One last change I would make to the recommended cycle - continue n2guard for at least a week or two after the cycle ends into PCT. People think it's time to stop taking it when they stop taking AAS, but the stuff is still in your system for a while and still affecting your organs, lipids and BP. Give your body a little more help dealing with that for a while.
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This is good advice^^
Also u want to run caber .5 mg every 3rd day.
 
Jigga14 said:
This is good advice^^
Also u want to run caber .5 mg every 3rd day.
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Ok so let's say I were to take a dose of caber on monday, then the next dose would be on thursday? or 1/0/0/1?

Just making sure it's not a 1/0/0/0/1 schedule...
 
saxon369 said:
Krav, nolva is garbage period!!

If you decide to run the tren I think you would get very good results with 350mgs a wk of test and 350 a wk of tren. More is not always better with AAS.

I would run it like this.

Wks 1-10. Trans test 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-8 Trans tren 50mg/1ml Ed split am-pm
Wks 1-10 adex .5mg eod
Wks 1-8 caber .25mg e3d
Wks 6-10 HCgenerate 5 caps Ed split am-noon-pm
Wks 1-8. N2guard 7 caps Ed split am-noon-pm

PCT
Wks 11-14 clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5mg
Wks 11-14 unleashed/postcycle combo
Wks 11-14 DAA 3g Ed
Wks 11-14 Formastanzol 3 pumps am-pm

This is how I would run it, maybe someone else will chime in and Change anything that's not right!

Good luck bro! I would like to follow along if you log it.
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Ok cool. Thanks for laying it out for me man I appreciate it. I'm def. going to log this on here so whenever everything comes in I'll post everything that goes on.
 
Thanks everyone for setting me straight on this! If it weren't for yall things may have ended up really bad for me!
 
Ok I may be running prami instead of caber. The source I got it from seems to have a lot of mixed reviews, and I don't really think I should take the risk. The source for prami seems more dependable, I haven't seen any bad reviews on them.

Is there a way I can know if my caber is real or bunk, other than growing tits? I'd rather that not be the way that I find out I got some fake stuff lol

Like could I take some caber before I began my Tren, and know based on any effects I experienced, whether it was legit or not?
 
Kravmaga02 said:
Everyone has been talking about these hot new transderms, so let's see what they got!

my shipping info. says mines will be coming in tomorrow by 12pm. That's overnight I'm impressed with how quick they are expected to get here. I'm putting a hold on my SARMs log to begin this cycle and I'll pick it up again after my PCT.

First off my stats:

age: 25
h: 6 ft
w: 215-217
bf: ? getting pretty lean with the OSTA/S4 stack

I have been working out every day. On my days off weights I do cardio for 30-45 mins.

My diet is pretty clean, I cheat a little on my weekends but most of the time I've been eating only chicken and brown rice, protein supps, raw broccoli with blue cheese, milk, fiber cereal and wheaties, whole wheat bread, tuna w/ pickles and mustard.

No simple carbs except right before or right after a workout (a cookie or something small)

My normal supplements are as follows:

Multi vitamin
resveratrol
co q 10
amino1 (intra)
hyper fx (pre)
aminox (pre)
whey hydrolysate
casein
fish oil
animal flex
bulletproof (bed time)
b-complex
CLA (about to drop it after this bottle)
chromium

I think I'm going to do 2mL a day on the test base and 1mL a day of tren.

I also running arimidex at .5mg ed and nolva at (I think) 20mg ed. I have to double check the nolva I have the dose saved on my email.

I am extremely excited to begin this cycle. I have only run cheap PH's in the past, never something as supposedly effective as Test or Tren. I'll let you guys know when it arrives!

Any advice on this is much appreciated I am always open to suggestions!
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you mind laying out your entire cycle plan for me start to finish bro including pct? :D
 
I was going to go with what saxon recommended:

Wks 1-10. Trans test 50mg/1ml ED split am-pm
Wks 1-8 Trans tren 50mg/1ml ED split am-pm
Wks 1-10 adex .5mg eod
Wks 1-8 caber .25mg e3d
Wks 6-10 HCGenerate 5 caps ED split am-noon-pm
Wks 1-8. N2guard 7 caps ED split am-noon-pm

PCT
Wks 11-14 clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5mg
Wks 11-14 Unleashed/postcycle combo
Wks 11-14 DAA 3g ED
Wks 11-14 Formastanzol 3 pumps am-pm

I am unsure about my caber source, so I may go with prami instead since the source I have for that sounds more reliable. I would tell you the source for my caber but I'm not sure I'm supposed to name any source on here...

If I use Prami I'll start out with .25mg ed before bed. I heard it can make you pretty nauseas if you don't take it before bed.

What do you think about the PCT? Should I run it longer or do you think that will be good?
 
Well my stuff came in yesterday so I'll be starting as soon as my prami comes in. I'm very excited to get this going hoping everything goes well!
 
Ok so my caber is out for delivery according to tracking info so I will begin my cycle today. I suppos I'll know if it's bunk if I begin getting prolactin symptoms and I'll switch to the prami if I need. Hopefully the prami isn't bunk if I need to resort to it, but if it is then I'll just drop the tren altogether and run test alone.


However hopefully none of that happens and everything is cool!


So I guess I'll start logging my cycle today.


I'll post my workouts on here every day in case you guys want to add anything or critique. For now I'll just put my workout split, I know this may not be the most popular split, but it seems to work well for me:


Day 1- legs
day 2 - Chest
day 3 - back
day 4 - arms
day 5 - shoulders
day 6 - rest, light cardio (jiu jitsu, krav maga)
day 7- heavy cardio (boxing)


On my off days I do jiu jitsu, krav and boxing for cardio. Jiu jitsu isn't really heavy cardio for me anymore, however boxing kicks my ass.

Sometimes the split has those two days in the middle of lifting days, I will often mix it up if I feel I'm over-doing it.


I believe I mentioned this on my OP but in case I didn't, my goal here is mainly recomp. If I gain a little mass that's ok, but I'm definitely not attemtping to bulk here, I have all the size I want overall I just want my abs back and I don't want to lose a bunch of mass and strength in the process.


I included my stats and diet on the OP, in case yall want to refer to those.

I'm also going to log my meals every day, so feel free to comment on my regimen or diet if you like, I am open to and would appreciate any advice!
 
If you see some redness or itchiness after application - you can squirt one pump of RS Transaderm in the palm of your hand and quickly mix it with the topical liquid. It creates a thicker gel that is more potent for delivery and easier to use. Plus you get the additional strength and ingredients from RS Transaderm.


-BRR
 
Big Rick Rock said:
If you see some redness or itchiness after application - you can squirt one pump of RS Transaderm in the palm of your hand and quickly mix it with the topical liquid. It creates a thicker gel that is more potent for delivery and easier to use. Plus you get the additional strength and ingredients from RS Transaderm.


-BRR
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I'll look into that if I have any problems with the liquid. I'd like to see how potent this stuff is on its own though too, to truly judge its effectiveness.
 
Hey Krav, looking forward to following along. Btw if you have GWP caber like we talked about, it won't be bunk. Their def g2g! Make sure you run your AI also. Good luck bro!!
 
Ok just applied my first dose. .5mL of each base, one on each thigh. I got a little of the burning/stinging sensation and it got kinda flushed, nothing bad though.

I also took my first dose of Adex that they sent me, and the caber that I got in today.

The caber I took about an hour ago, and I don't have a boner so I guess it isn't viagra or cialis lol

I have cardio tonight since the gym will be closed when I get off work, I'll post on here later with my workout and post-workout meal.
 
saxon369 said:
Hey Krav, looking forward to following along. Btw if you have GWP caber like we talked about, it won't be bunk. Their def g2g! Make sure you run your AI also. Good luck bro!!
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I ordered the caber from MPRsupply. But I did get prami from GWP as a back up.

I kinda wanted to avoid the whole nausea thing with prami if at all possible, but if I have symptoms of prolactin problems I'll make the switch real quick.

You think I'll be ok if I do that?
 
Had cardio tonight. Can't go jogging cuz of my knee so did calisthenics at home:

3 rounds of the following circuit:

Mountain climbers max x 1 min.
skipping for 1 min.
jump lunges max x 1 min

rest 20 sec.

good mornings max x 1 min
skipping for 1 min
squat jumps max x 1 min

rest 20 sec

high knees max x 1 min
skipping for 1 min
jumping jacks max x 1 min


Post workout:

8 oz milk
two scoops whey
1 over sized bowl of fiber cereal
brocolli w/ bleu cheese

shower

3 eggs
1 slice of toast
1 tablespoon butter
8 oz milk
2 scoops casein
 
Ok tonight is legs. Normally I hate legs but lately I have been using some tips from Arnold's encyclopedia and it has been working pretty well for me. I'm actually enjoying my leg workouts a little bit lol I'm interested to see how it goes with a little extra hormones in my system

I'll post on here afterwards with results. For now, my food today, not counting post workout:

1st meal: Curry chicken and brown rice
2nd meal: tuna sandwich w/ whole wheat bread and a pickle
3rd meal: tuna sandwich w/ whole wheat bread and a pickle
 
So, do you feel ON yet bro? Well-being and all that.

And do you feel it at a consistent rate all day, or does it level up in down based on when you dose?

EDIT: I forgot you just started yesterday lol, so you might not have that yet.
 
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Rockwilder said:
So, do you feel ON yet bro? Well-being and all that.

And do you feel it at a consistent rate all day, or does it level up in down based on when you dose?

EDIT: I forgot you just started yesterday lol, so you might not have that yet.
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How long with something like tren/test do people normally notice a big difference?

I weighed in at 213 today, which is about 3-4 lbs lighter than usual. I saw this happen with my ostarine/s4 stack in the first couple days, then I gained it back after a couple more days. I also haven't been carrying a gallon of water around with me so I may be lacking a bit of water weight.

I did notice about 30mins after application my veins in my arms were kind of popping. It went away after awhile so I don't know if it was just the stuff getting into my system and making me more vascular for a bit or if it was even connected at all.

Apparently the Tren/Test stack is supposed to be noticeable pretty quick so maybe during my workout tonight I'll feel a bit different when I hit up squat and sumo deadlift.

Legs are kind of a weak point for me and on my previous SD cycles that was the first thing I noticed was more leg strength and size.
 
kravmaga02 said:
I ordered the caber from MPRsupply. But I did get prami from GWP as a back up.

I kinda wanted to avoid the whole nausea thing with prami if at all possible, but if I have symptoms of prolactin problems I'll make the switch real quick.

You think I'll be ok if I do that?
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bro...that caber from MP is trash. It is either cialis/viagra or just plain powder. You are better of using a prami if you are going to use research chems. IMO, UGL is great for test/tren...they make some good potent stuff. BUT, you should always shoot to get pharma for AI's and PCT.

Also, I noticed that your Test/Tren of higher test to tren....IMO, go for either 1:1 test tren ratio or, run the tren slightly higher than the test. Tren is much more androgenic and fights for the same receptor as test...but Tren wins and gets to the receptor. the excess test when ran higher than tren does either one of two things; gets wasted, or aromatises to estrogen and increases the chance of bad tren sides...sweats, insomnia, lactating moobs

Have you run test or tren before? not talking about pro-hormones, but real hormones? if you haven't DROP the tren NOW....how can you accuratley assess what the heck is going on in your body if you have no idea what test feels like/does and the side effects/results from test alone
 
saxon outlined a good cycle for you...except, id drop the tren all together and shoot for about 500mg/wk of test. Tren is THE most powerful compound and you should know how you respond to test first
 
Cahardcore said:
bro...that caber from MP is trash. It is either cialis/viagra or just plain powder. You are better of using a prami if you are going to use research chems. IMO, UGL is great for test/tren...they make some good potent stuff. BUT, you should always shoot to get pharma for AI's and PCT.

Also, I noticed that your Test/Tren of higher test to tren....IMO, go for either 1:1 test tren ratio or, run the tren slightly higher than the test. Tren is much more androgenic and fights for the same receptor as test...but Tren wins and gets to the receptor. the excess test when ran higher than tren does either one of two things; gets wasted, or aromatises to estrogen and increases the chance of bad tren sides...sweats, insomnia, lactating moobs

Have you run test or tren before? not talking about pro-hormones, but real hormones? if you haven't DROP the tren NOW....how can you accuratley assess what the heck is going on in your body if you have no idea what test feels like/does and the side effects/results from test alone
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I changed my cycle to 1:1 test to tren after saxon suggested it. One of the posts I have following his recommended cycle shows I'm going with his exact plan.

I do have the prami on hand in case the caber turns out bunk. I would like to avoid the whole nausea thing if possible, and it seems that is pretty common with Prami.

It looks like many people on here are saying they haven't had problems with MP, I've only seen people on a fairly obscure forum really dogging it consistently...

I do know that it didn't give me a hard on after taking it, and I've heard if its viagra or cialis then it is going to make you hard soon after taking it.

I figured I'd see how the caber works out and if I notice any inability to perform sexually or sore nipples I'd switch to the Prami immediately since 1mg a week of caber shouldn't allow those symptoms if its legit.
 
So tonight was legs and my first lifting session on this stuff. I didn't have as much time to lift because my gym had to close so I had to rush it a bit and didn't have time to complete calves, extensions and curls. However the intensity of my main lifts was amplified since I was in a hurry, I was only taking about 10-20 second breaks between sets. Normally I have to take awhile for legs since they are a weaker point of mine, so that is a good sign that this stuff is kicking in for me already. I've also noticed already a little more muscle fullness and definition, even though I haven't really worked anything but legs since I started yesterday. Anyway here is my workout:

Squats: 6 sets of 10, reaching failure (or at least close to it) for each set
Sumo deadlift: 2 x 10, 2 x 5
Leg press: 6 sets of 10 w/ narrow stance, feet straight
Leg press: 6 sets of 10 w/ wide stance, feet out
Leg press: 2 sets of 6-8 w/ normal stance
Leg extensions: 2 sets of 10
Leg curls 1 set of 10, 1 set of 6

Abs:

hanging leg raises 3 x 15-20
weighted exercise ball crunches 3 x 15-25


You'll notice I kind of fell off towards the end of legs. Like I said, the gym was closing or I would have finished stronger on extensions, curls, and calves.

I've heard tren can kill your appetite, but I was absolutely starving after my leg workout. I tried to stuff my face also to try and make up for the 3 lbs lost since friday.

Post workout meal:

Broccoli and bleu cheese
8 oz milk
hydro whey
over-sized bowl of wheaties
two starbursts (glycogen)

1 hour later:

1 serving of jamaican curry chicken and curry brown rice
2 bowls of fiber one cereal
3 eggs over easy with cholula sauce

1 hour later:

8 oz milk
2 scoops casein

I was eating like I did during puberty, so maybe that's a good sign that these compounds are acting quickly. If I can keep eating like this while not getting fat, I could def see myself putting on a little extra lean mass with this recomp.

Bed time now so I'll see yall tomorrow!
 
Great log Krav! Glad to see you killin it.

I agree with cahardcore, tren wasn't the right choice for a first cycle..but I know your already in it so just keep a eye on the tren and pay attention to your body and what it's telling you through any sides you might get.

Keep posting bro! Good luck
 
Well it isn't my first cycle ever. I've done methasterone before a few times. It is my first run with test or tren though. Maybe I should have gone with just test, but like you said, I'm already in it lol. If I start to see prolactin sides and it feels like my ancilliaries aren't handling it, then I'll drop it immediately and it'll be out of my system quickly.

Meals today before workout tonight:

meal 1: Chicken salad sandwich with whole wheat bread
meal 2: roasted turkey, broccoli, green beans
meal 3: tuna sandwich with whole wheat and a pickle
meal 4: tuna sandwich with whole wheat and a pickle
meal 5: 2 slices of wheat bread and protein and oats shake

I forgot my chicken and brown rice today, so I'm having to improvise a little bit at work...
 
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I've heard tren can kill your appetite, but I was absolutely starving after my leg workout. I tried to stuff my face also to try and make up for the 3 lbs lost since friday.
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I thought I had heard Tren revs up your appetite and thirst (never tried it myself). I also feel like I have heard that you can eat like a horse on Tren and all the nutrients just get shuttled to your muscle. Is that not the case?
 
lrkoehle said:
I thought I had heard Tren revs up your appetite and thirst (never tried it myself). I also feel like I have heard that you can eat like a horse on Tren and all the nutrients just get shuttled to your muscle. Is that not the case?
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Well I definitely ate like a horse last night so maybe that is the case. I had just read on some forums that some people's appetites are bad when they take it so that's where I got that.

I have chest tonight and I'll have time for a full session so tonight will be a good judge of how quick this stuff is working for me. I love working chest so I'm pretty pumped to get off work and get in the gym. I'll post on here later when I'm done!
 
So tonight was chest. I changed it up a bit. Went for more reps on flat bench, and more weight on incline. I'm not noticing anything too crazy about this cycle just yet, not quite as dramatic right off the bat as some of the other people who are currently running the same stuff. Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it as others, or maybe it will just take longer for me to really notice significant effects. I am only on day three of the stack so its still early. Took me about two weeks into my SD cycles before noticing a whole lot.

A couple things I am noticing that may or may not be a result of placebo effect:

- more aggression in the gym
- less need for recovery time between sets
- more weight on my higher rep exercises
- more reps on my higher wight exercises
- I am feeling especially warm right now and my wife says it isn't warm in here at all; I've heard tren can make you like a furnace so I suppose thats a good sign

Here was my workout for the night:

Bench press: 1 x 5 @ 135, 1 x 5 @ 135, 1 x 5 @ 205, 1 x 8 @ 225, 1 x 7 @ 225, 1 x 7 @ 225 (went to failure on every 225 set)
incline smith machine bench: 1 x 10 @ 135, 6 x 8 @ 185, 4 x 10 @ 165, 2 x 10 @ 155
Incline db bench: 2 x 10 w/ 50's, 2 x 8 w/ 65's
Machine flyes: 8+ sets to failure at various weights, just went by feel on these...

Post workout:

2 scoops hydro whey

30 mins later:

broccoli and bleu cheese
1 large portion of curry chicken and curry rice

30 mins later:
3 eggs
2 scoops casein
 
Just made an application. It seems like for the the Tren compound is the one that really burns. Almost feels like I'm applying icy-hot to the inside of my thigh lol. It's not unbearable, but it is fairly uncomfortable for a few minutes. The Test thigh isn't experiencing much of a burning at al, just a bit of a sting. Just a side note on the whole burning sensation thing...
 
I haven't experienced much burning sensation at all. Have been doing my inner biceps and top of my feet and ankles . I have always held a small amount of fat on my inner thighs so I don't think that would be a good spot to apply for me personally.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 2.
 
Today if my off day so I'll be boxing in the afternoon and doing jiu jitsu and krav tonight. I also had the chance to make a big breakfast:

1 scoop hydro whey
1 bowl of fiber one cereal
1 english muffin
2 eggs

I feel like my appetite has been significantly increased, so that is a good sign that it's starting to have an effect on me.
 
Ok no lifting today but I had plenty of cardio.

2 hours of boxing this afternoon
2 hours of rest

this evening:
1 hour of jiu jitsu

followed by 1 hour of krav

followed by 30 mins of boxing

I didn't eat a whole lot during the day today, didn't want to have a full stomach for all that activity. Had a big breakfast and gorged when I got home tonight.

My appetite is getting ridiculous lol here was dinner post workout:

1 apple
3 sccops of protein

pf changs shanghai beef
1 buffalo chicken pizza

1 hour later:

1 big bowl of fiber one cereal
2 scoops casein w/ 8 oz milk

I allowed myself a big cheat meal tonight, I felt I earned it w/ 4 1/2 hours of cardio. I have back tomorrow, so I'll post on here afterward. I'm about to pass out, I'm f*ckin exhausted after today lol
 
Cahardcore said:
bro...that caber from MP is trash. It is either cialis/viagra or just plain powder. You are better of using a prami if you are going to use research chems. IMO, UGL is great for test/tren...they make some good potent stuff. BUT, you should always shoot to get pharma for AI's and PCT.

Also, I noticed that your Test/Tren of higher test to tren....IMO, go for either 1:1 test tren ratio or, run the tren slightly higher than the test. Tren is much more androgenic and fights for the same receptor as test...but Tren wins and gets to the receptor. the excess test when ran higher than tren does either one of two things; gets wasted, or aromatises to estrogen and increases the chance of bad tren sides...sweats, insomnia, lactating moobs

Have you run test or tren before? not talking about pro-hormones, but real hormones? if you haven't DROP the tren NOW....how can you accuratley assess what the heck is going on in your body if you have no idea what test feels like/does and the side effects/results from test alone
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Thas a load of bullshit bro. Test and other steroids do not go to waste running them with tren at a higher dose.. some people run up to 2 gram test with tren and get mega gains. Running a low dose of test wil not stop reduce tren sweats or isomnia, that is a side effect of Tren.
 
Starting to notice more positives. Weight went up on all my lifts for back today:

Romanian Deadlifts: 1 set warm up, 4 sets of 10

Wide grip pull ups 1 x failure

Close grip pull ups 1 x failure

Bent over barbell rows 4 x 8-10

Close grip pulley rows 4 x 10-12

wide grip pull downs 4 x 10

close grip pull downs 4 x 10

barbell pull-overs 4 x 10-15

abs


Post workout meal:

2 scoops hydro whey
3 quarter lb burger
French fries

Dinner tonight:

2 girl scout cookies
spaghetti with meat sauce
salad
3 girl scout cookies
1 scoop cesein
8 oz milk

My appetite is still getting bigger. I just ate all that 30 mins ago and I'm about to go get some cereal.

Starting to get that ON feeling in the gym, felt like I couldn't get enough today. I had to concsiously make myself stop and go home or risk injury from over training lol.

Also starting to notice a little more physique changes, nothing too crazy just yet but its still really early. Muscles do look a little fuller however, and still looking just as lean.
 
Need to add another meal for the night:

1 bowl of fiber one cereal
1 toasted english muffin w/ natural peanut butter
2 scoops casein

Back to normal diet tomorrow, so yall wont be seeing these crazy food combos for another week lol
 
dude you eat like my little fucking sister

"fiber one cereal"
srly dude....

"2 girl scout cookies...."

really...

eat MORE FOOD
for gods sakes your doing 4hrs of cardio in ONE DAY
 
njguy1 said:
dude you eat like my little fucking sister

"fiber one cereal"
srly dude....

"2 girl scout cookies...."

really...

eat MORE FOOD
for gods sakes your doing 4hrs of cardio in ONE DAY
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Easy with your additude bro. Also, you were just whining in my food thread about how you can only eat 1800 calories a day. I eat that before noon pal....
 
You seriously need to clean that diet up bro. You aren't going to get shit out of this cycle eating burgers, fries, and girl scout cookies.

You are denying yourself some serious gains and taking in too much fat, sugar, and processed foods.

Where are the lean meats, and complex carbs at?
 
RickRock13 said:
You seriously need to clean that diet up bro. You aren't going to get shit out of this cycle eating burgers, fries, and girl scout cookies.

You are denying yourself some serious gains and taking in too much fat, sugar, and processed foods.

Where are the lean meats, and complex carbs at?
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I've only been eating like that on my weekends. The rest of the week its only chicken, brown rice, broccoli, and protein supps.
 
A cheat "MEAL" not cheat weekend. You cheat on the nutrition u lose out on progress and the end result. You should really reconsider your weekend diet if you want to achieve your goals
 
Alright maybe I'll tune it down on the cheat meals then lol that's the worst I've eaten in over two months so I think I can get away with it for that one time...
 
Tonight was arms. Definitely saw some increases in strength, reps went up, weight went up, added more sets, more exercises, and blasted through that sh*t:

Barbell curls: 3 x 5-6
French presses: 4 x 6-12
Overhead tricep DB presses: 4 x 10-12 superset with DB Hammer curls 4 x 5-6
EZ bar skullcrushers: 3 x 8-10 superset w/ Regular DB curls 3 x 10-12
Preacher curls: 3 x 5-7
Rope push downs: 3 x 10-12
Straight bar pushdowns: 3 x 6-8
V Bar pushdowns: 3 x 5
Single arm reverse grip triceps: 3 x 10

abs


post workout:

2 scoops hydro whey

15 mins

1 scoop casein w/ 5 oz milk

30 mins

3 eggs
2 slices whole wheat toast
bunch of broccoli w/ 1 tblspoon bleu cheese
1 spoonful natural peanut butter

20 mins

2 scoops casein w/ 10 oz milk
1 oversized bowl of fiber one/protein cereal

Today all I ate was chicken and brown rice and also a turkey sandwich on whole wheat.

I'm gunna post a couple pics to show the past week's progress
 
The first one is from exactly one week ago. The 2nd is from this morning.
 
No offense bro, but I could make better improvement natural. You really need to rethink your diet, you aren't eating nearly enough. I eat 9 times a day off cycle, and each meal is generally around 1lb each. You need to mix it up. Get some sweet potatoes bell peppers greens (and of course meat) where's your red meat? How much chicken you eat. You are seriously wasting gains by having a poor diet. Not trying to bash you, trying to help you get the most out of your cycle.
 
seandh07 said:
No offense bro, but I could make better improvement natural. You really need to rethink your diet, you aren't eating nearly enough. I eat 9 times a day off cycle, and each meal is generally around 1lb each. You need to mix it up. Get some sweet potatoes bell peppers greens (and of course meat) where's your red meat? How much chicken you eat. You are seriously wasting gains by having a poor diet. Not trying to bash you, trying to help you get the most out of your cycle.
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Seandh is right. You diet is really not going to give u the results you should get.
You need more lean meat. Clean carbs and veggies. Lose the big bowls of cereal dude. What's it for? U could be filling your stomach with more beneficial foods. Seems like a lot of milk too which will pretty much just make u fat.
 
seandh07 said:
No offense bro, but I could make better improvement natural. You really need to rethink your diet, you aren't eating nearly enough. I eat 9 times a day off cycle, and each meal is generally around 1lb each. You need to mix it up. Get some sweet potatoes bell peppers greens (and of course meat) where's your red meat? How much chicken you eat. You are seriously wasting gains by having a poor diet. Not trying to bash you, trying to help you get the most out of your cycle.
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None taken that's why I am logging this to get people's opinions and help.

I think if I ate 9 lbs a day I would bulk up, and that isn't my goal. If you think I'm wrong about that however then let me know. I'm trying to recomp so I've been eating small portions throughout the day, followed by a big couple of meals post workout.

I know sweet potatoes are good carbs, but is brown rice not a good carb source?


And what's wrong with fiber cereal I thought that sh*t was good for you? Since when is fiber and complex carbs a bad thing?
 
It's all in what you eat when you eat, that's what I'm currently eating and have dropped 9lbs in about three weeks (trying to get sub 12% before I do a tren/winny cycle) think about it, if you eat 8/9 times a day your metabolism will increase. Your metabolism is NOT 'genetic' it's based on how you eat. In theory you could eat the exact same foods your cutting with but group it to 6/7 meals a day and cut out cardio for a bulk.
 
I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure I could afford that much food lol. I'll have to get a food scale and measure out a day's worth of food and see what it'll look like if I did 1lb per meal.

Let's say I can't get 9 meals a day in, let's say I get 6. What if I did the following as a sample day:

Meal 1: Rolled oats, egg whites, steak

Meal 2: Sweet potato, chicken breast

Meal 3: Steak and brown rice (w/ veggies mixed in)

Meal 4: chicken and brown rice (w/ veggies)

Meal 5: sweet potato and chicken

Meal 6: steak, eggs, sweet potato

This isn't counting any protein powders, I just wanted to lay out the meal plan.

What about tuna for lean protein? Is the mercury thing BS or shoud I stay away from eating it more than once a day?

Should I cut milk and cereal out of my diet completely? I didn't think 15 oz a day would be that bad but if I'm wrong tell me.
 
Wake up and drink 16 oz water and take all vitamins…to include: Multi, B-complex, L-Carnitine or dose of fat burner, Calcium, fish oil, BCAA’s and C.

Meal 1: 2:00
7 egg whites and 2 whole eggs, 15 almonds and 1 cup oatmeal or 2 slices Ezekial toast.
Or skip the oats and mix the eggs with ½ cup cream of wheat and cinnamon and make pancakes.

Meal 2 4:30 -
1.5 scoop whey isolate protein shake with water and 2-3 plain lightly salted rice cakes

Meal 3 7:00
7 oz ground turkey, 1 cup brown rice and 1 cup diced peppers red, green or yellow, and 15 almonds

Meal 4 9:30
5 oz tuna, ½ cup banana pepper rings, 8 oz sweet potato

Meal 5 12:30
4 oz flank steak with 3 oz chicken and 12 asparagus.

2:00 - 1 whole grapefruit and 20 almonds

Lift & Cardio -35 minutes 6 days a week—Keep cardio low intensity for now- elliptical, treadmill at 3.4, or bike.

Meal 6 4:00
7oz chicken 12 asparagus and 1 cup white rice or 8 oz white potato - on lifting days add 2 large rice cakes or a slice of P28 bread with a tbsp honey (any flavor rice cakes)
Also have B-complex, glutamine and 1,000 mg vitamin C

Meal 7 6:30 6 egg whites and a spinach salad and other added green veggies with balsamic vinegar or red wine vinegar. 1 large rice cake with 1 tbsp sugar free jelly

7:00 at bed time
1.5 scoop Casein Protein Shake

Bed by 7-get 7 hours.

Minimum 2 Gallons of water! Coffee or tea with splenda and sugar free creamer
 
^seems to me that you are getting a shit load of carbs for a cut. and with the low intensity cardio this diet may work for you, but not necessarily for him. and why do you only workout 35 minutes per day???! or is that workout 35 minutes, and cardio 35 minutes?
you get up early as shit, and that is a weird schedule for sure. He needs to lower the calorie content, and have much less carbs to lose weight. not that your diet is wrong by any means, but he could def do some stuff differently than you. and since he is on anabolics he will have an easier time eating less, and cutting up. I would go more like this:

Meal 1: 5 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, Apple juice
Meal 2 (snack): Almonds, Tuna, 1 Apple
Meal 3: Chicken Breast, Broccoli
Meal 4: Protein Shake as the milk for your Fiber Cereal (fiber cereal is a great idea, it is complex carbs and has all the fiber to help ease digestion issues.) preworkout carbs
Meal 5: Waxy Maize 35G, Protein Shake, BCAAS, etc for post workout
Meal 6: Chicken Breast (rotate this between sweet potato, brown rice, or vegetables)
Meal 7: Tilapia, Broccoli
^
you can swap the earlier protein shake, til bed time (casein) if you want to. i hate casin tho, i can't sleep at all on it. upsets my stomach, very weird

see even in the above, that is probably too much carbs. That would be a higher carb day. I think you need to carb cycle here. On days you don't train, don't go above 50 carbs those days. Big training days do the above diet, and other days where you may have cardio or a different workout do more vegetables. The idea that you should have is to be slowly lowering your carb in take each week. Stay between 150-200, then lower and add more cardio. Continue this pattern each week. And i actually believe milk isn't a bad thing....I have this thing, that I do not want to have that dairy enzyme released from my body or whatever the hell you call it, because at one point in my life I know I may not workout or be healthy, or just want to pig out occasionally. Well that digestive enzyme can stop being produced by your body, because your body isn't supposed to get milk past your moms tits as a baby. well once you stop eating dairy for an extended period of time, you will lose that. Therefore, i use dairy in my diet sparingly to keep those enzymes. You can keep dairy, as long as you tailor it around when your body won't mind it/it wont hurt your goals. So IMO....you could do skim milk post workout.....would just add some sugar, which you need anyway. you could add cheeze to your eggs in the AM because in the morning your body can absorb anything and everything and you will use it as energy in the day. things like that.......

I can't imagine how ole boy is having 9 meals a day and eating 1 pound at each. seems a little bit much, to be losing weight. If anything, this guy should have handful size meals and be cutting his calories below maintenance in order to lose as much fat as possible. the tren and test will keep him anabolic. and he will have the nutrients to build muscle around the times he needs to.
 
ballslee said:
^seems to me that you are getting a shit load of carbs for a cut. and with the low intensity cardio this diet may work for you, but not necessarily for him. and why do you only workout 35 minutes per day???! or is that workout 35 minutes, and cardio 35 minutes?
you get up early as shit, and that is a weird schedule for sure. He needs to lower the calorie content, and have much less carbs to lose weight. not that your diet is wrong by any means, but he could def do some stuff differently than you. and since he is on anabolics he will have an easier time eating less, and cutting up. I would go more like this:

Meal 1: 5 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, Apple juice
Meal 2 (snack): Almonds, Tuna, 1 Apple
Meal 3: Chicken Breast, Broccoli
Meal 4: Protein Shake as the milk for your Fiber Cereal (fiber cereal is a great idea, it is complex carbs and has all the fiber to help ease digestion issues.) preworkout carbs
Meal 5: Waxy Maize 35G, Protein Shake, BCAAS, etc for post workout
Meal 6: Chicken Breast (rotate this between sweet potato, brown rice, or vegetables)
Meal 7: Tilapia, Broccoli
^
you can swap the earlier protein shake, til bed time (casein) if you want to. i hate casin tho, i can't sleep at all on it. upsets my stomach, very weird

see even in the above, that is probably too much carbs. That would be a higher carb day. I think you need to carb cycle here. On days you don't train, don't go above 50 carbs those days. Big training days do the above diet, and other days where you may have cardio or a different workout do more vegetables. The idea that you should have is to be slowly lowering your carb in take each week. Stay between 150-200, then lower and add more cardio. Continue this pattern each week. And i actually believe milk isn't a bad thing....I have this thing, that I do not want to have that dairy enzyme released from my body or whatever the hell you call it, because at one point in my life I know I may not workout or be healthy, or just want to pig out occasionally. Well that digestive enzyme can stop being produced by your body, because your body isn't supposed to get milk past your moms tits as a baby. well once you stop eating dairy for an extended period of time, you will lose that. Therefore, i use dairy in my diet sparingly to keep those enzymes. You can keep dairy, as long as you tailor it around when your body won't mind it/it wont hurt your goals. So IMO....you could do skim milk post workout.....would just add some sugar, which you need anyway. you could add cheeze to your eggs in the AM because in the morning your body can absorb anything and everything and you will use it as energy in the day. things like that.......

I can't imagine how ole boy is having 9 meals a day and eating 1 pound at each. seems a little bit much, to be losing weight. If anything, this guy should have handful size meals and be cutting his calories below maintenance in order to lose as much fat as possible. the tren and test will keep him anabolic. and he will have the nutrients to build muscle around the times he needs to.
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Exactly correct. You are not going to efficiently cut well without carb control. Also a the end of the day its also calories in vs calories out, but what food is contained in those cals is equally as important. A low carb, high protein diet is going to cause more fat loss than a moderate to high carb diet at the same caloric level.
 
Thanks for the layout. Now I just need to figure out how to bring all this with me to work lol
 
I compete in men's physique., this was written by my nutritionist. I workout for about 45 min then cardio. Yes it's high carb, but they are all in the right times, and complex carbs. Yea I get up at 2, work by 4 (marine corps)
 
Please get a blood test on these transdermals. I really am interested in seeing what is going on for real. My test came back in the 260s... I do not think this stuff works. Especially at the rate they say it does
 
^I am not saying anything is wrong with your nutritonist. People have differnet body types, and react differently to carbs/insulin. You obviously have a high metabolism, and as such you may need more carbs to stay at a certain weight with your current workouts and metabolic output."

Krav on the other hand, is not as metabolically fast as you. and people respond a little better/quicker to lowering their carbs and calories. This guy has a different body type than you, and I think he may need a little different diet than you need. Tailoring the diet to the person is key. I can't even say the one I laid out is correct for him because i am not sitting there seeing his results each day and how he feels. your nutrionist, unless he is seeing your results daily and how your training sessions are going....is not really in tuned to what your diet should be. if he is, then he has you tuned right in, and since you are dropping weight this is maybe a good diet for you. however, most people will not lose weight on the diet you posted. I its about tailoring to the person really, and being inuitive to how your body responds, and only making slight adjustments to do things.

ya rick rock, i agree with what you are saying. The dairy thing for me is a minimal thing to keep the enzymes because i love ice cream, and one day hope to have it again without stomach pain and jsut about dying from eating it. So while minimal, i try to maximize that by using it at the right times where it won't affect my body.
 
rage22 said:
Please get a blood test on these transdermals. I really am interested in seeing what is going on for real. My test came back in the 260s... I do not think this stuff works. Especially at the rate they say it does
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woah really? how far into it? My tren is really good, and def feel better now than when I was on anavar as my kicker......
are you doing the Johnson and johnson lotion? - i think it is integral
 
ballslee said:
^seems to me that you are getting a shit load of carbs for a cut. and with the low intensity cardio this diet may work for you, but not necessarily for him. and why do you only workout 35 minutes per day???! or is that workout 35 minutes, and cardio 35 minutes?
you get up early as shit, and that is a weird schedule for sure. He needs to lower the calorie content, and have much less carbs to lose weight. not that your diet is wrong by any means, but he could def do some stuff differently than you. and since he is on anabolics he will have an easier time eating less, and cutting up. I would go more like this:

Meal 1: 5 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, Apple juice
Meal 2 (snack): Almonds, Tuna, 1 Apple
Meal 3: Chicken Breast, Broccoli
Meal 4: Protein Shake as the milk for your Fiber Cereal (fiber cereal is a great idea, it is complex carbs and has all the fiber to help ease digestion issues.) preworkout carbs
Meal 5: Waxy Maize 35G, Protein Shake, BCAAS, etc for post workout
Meal 6: Chicken Breast (rotate this between sweet potato, brown rice, or vegetables)
Meal 7: Tilapia, Broccoli
^
you can swap the earlier protein shake, til bed time (casein) if you want to. i hate casin tho, i can't sleep at all on it. upsets my stomach, very weird

see even in the above, that is probably too much carbs. That would be a higher carb day. I think you need to carb cycle here. On days you don't train, don't go above 50 carbs those days. Big training days do the above diet, and other days where you may have cardio or a different workout do more vegetables. The idea that you should have is to be slowly lowering your carb in take each week. Stay between 150-200, then lower and add more cardio. Continue this pattern each week. And i actually believe milk isn't a bad thing....I have this thing, that I do not want to have that dairy enzyme released from my body or whatever the hell you call it, because at one point in my life I know I may not workout or be healthy, or just want to pig out occasionally. Well that digestive enzyme can stop being produced by your body, because your body isn't supposed to get milk past your moms tits as a baby. well once you stop eating dairy for an extended period of time, you will lose that. Therefore, i use dairy in my diet sparingly to keep those enzymes. You can keep dairy, as long as you tailor it around when your body won't mind it/it wont hurt your goals. So IMO....you could do skim milk post workout.....would just add some sugar, which you need anyway. you could add cheeze to your eggs in the AM because in the morning your body can absorb anything and everything and you will use it as energy in the day. things like that.......

I can't imagine how ole boy is having 9 meals a day and eating 1 pound at each. seems a little bit much, to be losing weight. If anything, this guy should have handful size meals and be cutting his calories below maintenance in order to lose as much fat as possible. the tren and test will keep him anabolic. and he will have the nutrients to build muscle around the times he needs to.
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This one seems a little more realistic for me. The only thing I'd have to change is the eggs since I think I have a mild egg allergy and any more than 3 upsets my stomach pretty bad.

I think I'm going to stick to this one as best I can, seems a little less extreme. I like the idea of carb cycling. On my bigger lifting days eat more carbs, and my smaller lifting days eat less. Seems to make sense.

I do need to throw in some sweet potatoes and maybe some steak for a little red meat.

Starting tomorrow I'll start doing things like broccoli instead of rice or sweet potatoes, with lean meat of course. On more intense days I'll swap the veggies for more rice/potatoes.
 
Yes diets need to be tailor made to the individual for the goal in mind. I was simply posting that you can have high carb diets and loose an extreme amount if weight and maintain muscle. Also stating his diet needs to be wayy better.
 
I just rub the stuff on my legs, arms, stomach. Switch it up everytime.. Again I'd really like to see some test results if anyone can do it.

Privatemdlabs.com
Female hormone panel test.
Test will cost you 50 bucks which is nothing to know that something's working or not
 
ballslee said:
woah really? how far into it? My tren is really good, and def feel better now than when I was on anavar as my kicker......
are you doing the Johnson and johnson lotion? - i think it is integral
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I actually asked Gator about the lotion. He said the liquid compound has everything it needs for maximum absorption, the lotion is just for soothing the skin.

Personally I don't really want to use the lotion, I'd rather not muck anything up by adding more stuff to the equation...
 
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