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keto diet for bulking

tlhc

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i'm experimenting with the keto diet quite some time now, but i've never tried to bulk with it

i think it has to be possible,......
maybe a 2/1 ; 3/1 split,....... 2 days 0 carbs, 1 day carb up, if that's too much carbs then 3 days 0 carbs 1 day carb up

anyone here ever tried this?
anyone got some informations? (Mr. X :) )
 
It is physically possible to bulk on a ketogenic diet. The book 'The Anabolic Diet' talks about bulking on a ketogenic diet. You take advantage of the insulin spike and the supercompensation of glycogen to your muscles from them being 'thirsty' during the carb depleting stage. The idea is that by emptying the muscles you can force them to overfill, and promote growth. The method is pretty much the same except that you eat above maint. calories the entire time, and you can take less time between carb ups if you want. The carb up is handled a little differently as well.. You basically eat anything you want during your recovery/carb up period, and try to get as many calories as possible in that time. You have to make sure you take enough time to be good into ketosis though, or you'll end up with fat gains. I don't really recommend it, because while the logic behind the way the insulin and glycogen overfill will work is sound, it's hard to get quality workouts while restricting carbs. I just don't like the feeling of trying to lift for muscle gains while my muscles and liver are glycogen depleted. I also wouldn't want to eat above my maint calories without carbs. The ketones become appetite suppressing, so it's hard for me to eat that much. If you decide to try it, let me know how it works though. I'd be interested in hearing some real experiences with it. Good luck.
 
Wouldn't the excess fat (above maintenance) just get stored as fat?

I know there are studies that show excess fat gets stored at roughly 97% efficiency, where excess carbs get stored at about 85%.
 
I think it may be physically impossible to put on muscle without insulin. Why go on that diet anyway? It sucks, you feel like shit, your breath stinks, any you will look like a skinny bitch. Why not eat a good amount of carbs each day to keep your muscles looking full instead of just only one or two days a weak. You can still loose bodyfat while on this diet also, it is all about controlling your insulin and glucagon levels. Carbs won't make you fat if you eat them at the right time and eat the right kind and the right amount. If you want all the details go to www.musclenow.com. Buy this book or whatever it is and it is the only dieting advice you will ever need. Now practically everyone on this board is going to say that it is b.s. because it involves eating a lot of carbs and little fat. I'm not going to argue with anybody because I really don't care. I'm just trying to help ya get big. Peace
 
Yes, it is possible to bulk with CKD, while staying lean. I think BodyOpus is one of the better examples. I have also found that 3/1 is a very good bulking ration, yet after a few times, it needs to be cycled.
Ex Cycle:
3/1 (3 days ketosis/1 day carb-up)
3/1
3/1
2/1
4/1
5/2
start over:

Mr.X :cool:
 
I doubt this....I'd like to hear some personal experiences and stats.
 
mr x....

with your cycle of 3/1 where you say 3 days ketosis and one day carb up... you mean low carb right? if you actually mean ketosis... it would take two days without
slin to get in right...? can you just clarify this?

thanks
Cozmo
 
COZMO,

Low-Carb, for it's not possible to get into ketosis in 8 hours without insulin. Keep carbs near 0 for the 3 days. Similar to trying to get into Ketosis.

Mr.X :cool:
 
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