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How slow of a digesting protein is this? Is it like eating meat?
Just how slow does Micellar digest?
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You use casein before bed? Have you used Micellar? But anways...that doesn't answer the question. But thanks for the info.
javaguru
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I've never used it, I actually use a milk isolate 80% casein and 20% whey. I doubt if anyone can help you with actual numbers, I've never seen them. I saw one study that concluded digestion varies from individual to individual and day to day. On one occasion 100 grams of beef was digested in one hour by individual A but on occasion two it took 1.42 hours. Another individual consistently digested their protein within 2.0 hours consistently. The range for the entire group was from 1.0 hour to 2.0 hours for digestion of 100g of beef protein of which 70% was hydrolized upon entering the intestine where hydrolization continued.
The studies I've seen done with whey and casein have measured blood amino levels. Whey levels peaked in under an hour and fropped rapidly (within a couple hours). The casein was elevated in about an hour but remained elevated for over fours hours, peaking at three hours. Therefore it's hard to say how the beef compares to casein in maintaining elevated levels of amino acids. There are so many variables, including the size of the meal and composition that can modify times of digestion. It should be noted in the whey and casein study tehy were using leucine as a marker so more casein protein was consumed than whey which would likely modify times of digestion.
My point is that if you choose casein just stick with regular old casein or milk isolate and save your money.
The studies I've seen done with whey and casein have measured blood amino levels. Whey levels peaked in under an hour and fropped rapidly (within a couple hours). The casein was elevated in about an hour but remained elevated for over fours hours, peaking at three hours. Therefore it's hard to say how the beef compares to casein in maintaining elevated levels of amino acids. There are so many variables, including the size of the meal and composition that can modify times of digestion. It should be noted in the whey and casein study tehy were using leucine as a marker so more casein protein was consumed than whey which would likely modify times of digestion.
My point is that if you choose casein just stick with regular old casein or milk isolate and save your money.
ashley2212
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JavaGuru said:
You really think casein will do the same job as Micellar? Milk Isolate is a slow digesting protein? Well, I asked this question not because I'm concerned about night time shakes before bed. But more during the day. See, I drink proteins from Proteinfactory. I have a whey and hydrolyzed whey protein/carb shake for pre and post WO. I have micellar before bed. And for meal replacements I use a 50/50 of CFM Whey/Casein. But just so you know...I am eating every 3 hours. Maybe the casein is tooooo slow for every 3 hours. And the Whey, like you said, will drop off in 2 hours. Hence it will leave me with 1 hour of no protein. Do you think the 50/50 is ok? Or should I do more like 70/30? Or maybe 80/20??? That is why I also wondered if eating chicken or tuna digests just as slow as casein.
javaguru
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I go with the milk isolate for general use and use the iso chill for pre/during and post workout. Milk isolate is naturally "stacked" 80% casein and 20% whey as well as maintaining much of the mineral content of whole milk(high levels of calcium and magnesium). It's gently processed so maintains many subfractions. I think whey is highly over rated and milk isolate is highly under rated.
Not to mention if you go with an 80% 20% mix you'll be saving money by just buying the milk isolate.
Not to mention if you go with an 80% 20% mix you'll be saving money by just buying the milk isolate.
Yeah but whey digests faster. And if your eating every 2.5 to 3hours that would keep amino levels up! Where as taking a slow digesting protein every 2.5 to 3 hours won't benefit as much. IMO of course! I think the 80/20 would be great for bed time. You got 20% of a fast acting protien that kicks in and raises amino levels quick and then you got the other 80% from casein to slowly digest while sleeping and thus keeping amino levels....well...leveled. Holla back on this!
