JKurz's Log "Mirrors are all hidden"!

[JKurz1]

Monday, July 17, 2006

The new diet/routine has begun, this is more for me and to enjoy the support of my fellow bros, as many of my previous attempts have failed in a big way. Here's what I got:

530am - Height 6'2. Weight 160lbs, 7-8%bf

BCAAS (NO TIME FOR A SHAKE PRE) - USUALLY 2 SCOOPS CASEIN, 1TB PB

530AM BIS
7 SET (2 WARMS) 6-12REPS, STRAIGHT BAR CURLS
3 SETS SEATED DBELL CURLS - SUPERSET W/ SINGLE DBELL PREACHERS 3 SETS
1 SET (DROP SET) - ROPE CURLS, 20, 15, 10,10
4 SETS STANDING AB CRUNCH
15 MINUTES COOLDOWN, 2.5 SPEED - 11.0 INCLINE (HAM, GLUTE WORK)

715
3/4 CUP OATS
1 CUP BLUBERIES
12 EGG WHITES
1 SCOOP DYNMATIZE PROTEIN
CREATINE, B-6, BCOMPLEX, ARGENINE, GLUTAMINE,
LARGE COFFEE

930
1 CUP OATS
12 EGG WHITES
1 SCOOP ISS CASEIN

PLAN:
11:30-NOON
6OZ COOKED WW PASTA
8 OZ CHICKEN
LARGE LARGE SALAD

2PM (MISSED THIS MEAL, CLIENT MEETING + I'M TRAINING AT 430) WILL GET IT IN TOMORROW!!!
8OZ FLANK STEAK AND SALMON
HANDFULL OF ALMONDS

3PM (FROZEN)
2 SCOOPS CASEIN PROTEIN
1TB PB, HANDFUL OF ALMONDS

TRAIN 5:30PM (5PM TODAY) CHEST - 50 MINUTES INTENSE

6:30/post (6PM)
1 scoop whey
50 g dextrose
50 gram from musselmans pie filling(chocolate, banana, or vanilla)


7:15 (7PM)
50 grams dextrose
1 cup oats
1 scoops whey

8:30 (8PM)
3 whole eggs, 9 egg whites (4 OZ SALMON INSTEAD OF WHOLE EGGS)
½ CUP DRY MEASURED BROWN RICE

10 pm (9:30PM)
1 scoop blend ½ cup almonds, 5OZ DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE.

BED = IMMIDIATELY AFTER - DAMN THAT'S A TON OF CALORIES IN 3 HOURS!!



***ONLY WEIGH MYSELF ON MONDAY MORNINGS!! STAY OFF THE SCALE!!!*** NO LOOKING AT ABS IN MIRROR** KEEP ME ON TRACK, NO TURNING BACK! 15 MONTHS TILL SHOWTIME!

GEAR MAYBE POSSIBLY MAYBE STARTING AUG. 1


WILL UPDATE AS DAY GOES ON!

 

[BiggT]

Good to see you started a log.....avoid those mirrors at all costs, small changes for better or worse throughout the day in appearance mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme.

A once a week 'weigh-in' on Mondays is a good approach.

Are you working with a trainer for the workouts, or did he just do the diet for you?

 

[JKurz1]

he has mea on a two-day split to get rid of my friggn cardio habit.......so I doa small body part at 530 am, 50 minutes, 6-8 rep high intensity and then he is there in the pm....split looks like this, thought?

MONDAY
AM - BIS
PM CHEST

TUES
AM - TRIS
PM - BACK/TRAPS

WED OFF

NOT SURE ON THE REST OR EVEN TOMORROWS TO BE HONEST.....EVER DONE THIS?

THURS.
AM -
PM

FRIDAY
AM-
PM -

 

[BiggT]

Personally, I've mostly just trained movements as opposed to bodyparts, but I am coming from a strength training background more than a bodybuilding one. I've done AM and PM workouts before and as long as you eat and sleep and the programming is logical, they work well.

If you're getting stronger at your select lifts, regardless of the setup, you'll grow with enough calories.

Your routine should be fine, and 2 a days are probably a good idea for somebody like you as too much 'off-time' would probably cause you to go insane and do something counterproductive to your goals like ridiculous amounts of cardio, so I like what you're doing. Just see it through the first month and get the eating to become second nature and dont freak out if you feel full or bloated a little bit and you'll be fine once you start to see more size and feel stronger in the gym, and you'll finally see that you're not going to "get fat" lol.

 

[The Shadow]

he has mea on a two-day split to get rid of my friggn cardio habit.......so I doa small body part at 530 am, 50 minutes, 6-8 rep high intensity and then he is there in the pm....split looks like this, thought?

MONDAY
AM - BIS
PM CHEST

TUES
AM - TRIS
PM - BACK/TRAPS

WED OFF

NOT SURE ON THE REST OR EVEN TOMORROWS TO BE HONEST.....EVER DONE THIS?

THURS.
AM -
PM

FRIDAY
AM-
PM -

Do one bodypart per day split over 4-5 days.

You current split yields problems - such as hitting biceps the day before back etc.


Monday - Thursday(or friday)

 

[BiggT]

Holy shit, JK, that just dawned on me what Shadow said, lol....you may want to do a leg workout tomorrow, take Wed off, do Shoulders/Tris on Thurs and Back on Fri.......back before bis and things like tris before pressing is never good.

So, for a split routine, it would look like

Mon: Chest/Biceps
Tues: Legs
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders/Triceps
Fri: Back
Sat and Sun: Off

Something like that so there is no overlap.

 

[JKurz1]

Like I said, I forget the routine but have it ready at home.....there was no cross over body parts, so tomorrows, must be wrong...I'll let you know. Anyways, meal #2 time......every 2 hours aint gonna be easy!

 

[The Shadow]

*sigh*


Last thing I will say - a double split(am AND pm workouts) is NOT the way you want to go when chronically overtrained.


Every day is kidney day.

 

[JKurz1]

ok, thanks....but no more. I have made a pact to follow the advice of my trainer and that is what I am doing. Shawdow, K to you, appreciate the feedback, but I've tried it my way before. I'm in his hands....

 

[The Shadow]

ok, thanks....but no more. I have made a pact to follow the advice of my trainer and that is what I am doing. Shawdow, K to you, appreciate the feedback, but I've tried it my way before. I'm in his hands....

ok dude.....

post up the routine when you have it in front of you

 

[JKurz1]

407.50 - 348.00 - 115.50 4,158.00
407.50 348.00 115.50 4,158.00


macro breakdown....damn! I think I was around 2,500 for the past 2 years......he said I could have one cheat meal a week, or 45 min to an hour to eat whatever the hell I feel like it...had it all planned yesterday, dinner at the folks....grillout....then they go and make chicken breast w/ terraki seasoning, corn (which I didnt eat, no fan!) salmon, weight watchers cole slaw, and salad........hahah....I go "so who wants to go to cold stone creamry" Not a freakn sole.....everyone was stuffed. Oh well, does this mean I get 2 hours this week or 2 days? I havent cheated in many years! I think quiznos sounds pretty damn good!

 

[alex2678]

Good luck with the log, diet and training program.

Yes. Go hit up quiznos for some extra calories. Their angus steak and chicken milano sub were awesome last time I had one.

 

[JKurz1]

maybe I'll save it for Sat and SUnday..........we'll see.

DIET UPDATED

 

[Cynical Simian]

Just dropping in to say good luck. I'm glad you decided to start the log here.

One thing about weigh-ins: you might want to do them more frequently. I rambled about this in one of BW's old journals, but basically more data points will allow you to see general trends better. With weekly weigh-ins, you risk having your only piece of information for that time period be unreliable, whereas over a week fluctuations in water retention and whatnot will average themselves out. If I remember correctly from the other thread, your cheat meal is on Sundays. The water retention from what'll likely be a higher-carb/sodium meal would make Monday a particularly poor choice for a once-per-week weighing.

 

[Tweakle]

I don't think giving him something else to get OCD about is a good idea, cs.. hide the scale, don't worry about macros, eat lots of steak & filling foods and work out 3 x a week on a basic routine with squats, deads and bench as the main lifts.

the hardest thing is going to be letting go of the need to micromanage everything (which is going to result in changing up things at the first bad workout or when his abs start to 'vanish')

 

[Cynical Simian]

I don't think giving him something else to get OCD about is a good idea, cs.

lol, good point. Although, ironically, I was hoping my suggestion would prevent him from the likely panic of having weight/appearance skewed by the cheat meal.

 

[JKurz1]

ok......thanks for the help/suggestions.........but it's enough for now...don't need help with diet or training, but thanks...I've tried it my way and now my only hope is he knows what he is doing....I will weigh myself on monday and friday and average..for example, this am I was 160 and tonight on the same scale I'll easily be 168-170......weird, but oh well.

 

[BiggT]

Yeah, I am keeping suggestions/changes to a minimum....there are really no glaring mistakes, and if ya hired a trainer, JK, he has got to have a better approach than you did the last 4 years, so just stay consistent, stay out of the mirror, and don't worry about your abzzzz, and enjoy some growth and progress.

 

[JKurz1]

glaring mistakes??? I think it's pretty ideal, you know how I am and I could find a glitch...only thing that may play a role is 2 a day training....he has asked me not to post the exact diet nor the routine, so I ballparked everything in my post....however, no 2 diets routines etxc work for eeryone, so it will change often.

chest in 1 hours

traps,abs, calves tomorrow am

 

[BiggT]

JK, lots of trainers don't want their 'secrets' given away, I have mixed feelings about it, but hell, if somebody is trying to make a living I can see them not giving their stuff away.

Post most of it anyway, I think people will be interested in following your progress.

 

[JKurz1]

JK, lots of trainers don't want their 'secrets' given away, I have mixed feelings about it, but hell, if somebody is trying to make a living I can see them not giving their stuff away.

Post most of it anyway, I think people will be interested in following your progress.

not trying to be an ass, but I really can't and it really doesnt matter as, like I said, no two things work for two......hell, it might not even work for me....manana is delts in pm......traps, calves, abs, glute/ham stretch on treadmill and some accessory work...droped the ball after training...awesome session, then I got really sick...first at 3pm I had that casein pudding concoction that did not sit well, then I took a tb of redline prewo...big mistake, syrup is fing HELL! Made me so friggn sick

So, I had 3 meals to catchup on....let's just say I ended up with a huge oats, brown rice, milk, egg white, whey shake with chicken and salmon. over 90 minutes.....must about been 1,500 cals, but postwo is when ou want em.

Now I got a thick casein, cotage cheese and almond/walnuts (HANDFUL!) while I crash......have muscle milk if I really cant take in another meal, but I think I'll be ok....geezus, I bet 3/4ths of my cals are over a 3hour window postworkout!

 

[sublime35]

J, I really hope things go good this time. I know i've ridiculed you in the past, but honestly that was because I was trying to motivate you. I am/was in your shoes and know how it can over power you and soon the simplest joy of eating is your sole purpose. Only eating clean, obsessing about diet, training, worried you may eat 150 cals over for the day.

Follow this trainers advice and don't look back. Don't stop and get scared. Do it all the way. No more bullshit.

 

[BiggT]

JK, where's today's update, man?.....you don't have to give away the secrets, just a post so we all know you are on track.

 

[Tweakle]

I think the diet sucks for someone who's chronically undernourished and trying to get stronger, but good luck. Steaks, whole eggs, food that tastes good and builds muscle rather than chicken scratchings of egg whites and brown rice are a much, much better idea

look at how bigT eats, thats the way you should do it. No bullshit with eggwhites & caesin, cook up 8 whole eggs with a slab of cheese & some ham. Instead of salmon, cook up a 4lb prime rib and eat it in a day. Wash it back with a big glass of milk

 

[silver_shadow]

^^^ couldn't agree more

 

[The Shadow]

I think the diet sucks for someone who's chronically undernourished and trying to get stronger, but good luck. Steaks, whole eggs, food that tastes good and builds muscle rather than chicken scratchings of egg whites and brown rice are a much, much better idea

look at how bigT eats, thats the way you should do it. No bullshit with eggwhites & caesin, cook up 8 whole eggs with a slab of cheese & some ham. Instead of salmon, cook up a 4lb prime rib and eat it in a day. Wash it back with a big glass of milk

You can't help some folks......

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks.....thread is done.

 

[silver_shadow]

why?

 

[alex2678]

Unfortunate that you've decided to end your thread after only one day. Hopefully you'll reconsider and try again. Lots of people here wish the best for you and hate to see a fellow trainer go nowhere for so many years after getting tons of valuble information from some of the best and most knowledgeable people on this board.

At least a weekly or bi-weekly update on weight and strength increases in core lifts would be nice for those who took the time to try and help.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.

 

[Cynical Simian]

^^^Agreed.

People have been quite willing to help because it seemed like you were genuinely trying to change what you've been doing. Don't do what you've done dozens of times before by saying "thanks guys, I'll apply some of this advice" then going back to the exact same things that have gotten you nowhere in the past. I share most of the training forum's skeptical attitude toward personal trainers, but if this guy will at least ensure that you're eating above 3000 calories and not doing any marathon cardio sessions, it's an improvement, even if you'd probably be better off saving your money and listening to guys like T and Tweakle.

 

[Tweakle]

he doesn't want advice, he just wants validation that it's ok to keep doing what he's doing.

The trainer is basically just re-enforcing his exercise addiction by having him train 5 days a week, twice a day.. any radical change would mean letting go of the safety blanket and risking putting on a lb or 2 of fat, and that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

easier to worry about how many almonds to eat or when to have his cheese than trying to deal with the bigger picture

 

[BiggT]

JK....seriously reconsider posting updates, man.....again, most people, myself included feel you could go about this in a much less complicated way, but regardless, the trainer's way HAS to be better than what you were doing.

 

[Cynical Simian]

he doesn't want advice, he just wants validation that it's ok to keep doing what he's doing.

The trainer is basically just re-enforcing his exercise addiction by having him train 5 days a week, twice a day.. any radical change would mean letting go of the safety blanket and risking putting on a lb or 2 of fat, and that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

easier to worry about how many almonds to eat or when to have his cheese than trying to deal with the bigger picture

Agreed completely. I've been trying to help so nobody can accuse me of only responding to his posts with unproductive flaming, but it's becoming apparent that this "big change" is no different from the rest.

JK, at this point the best advice I or anyone else can give you is to get some professional help. Without that, the best training advice in the world isn't going to make any difference.

 

[Protobuilder]

People have been quite willing to help because it seemed like you were genuinely trying to change what you've been doing.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That applies to Jkurz, and to those who have attempted to help. Sorry, but there it is. LoL

 

[36drew]

he doesn't want advice, he just wants validation that it's ok to keep doing what he's doing.

The trainer is basically just re-enforcing his exercise addiction by having him train 5 days a week, twice a day.. any radical change would mean letting go of the safety blanket and risking putting on a lb or 2 of fat, and that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

easier to worry about how many almonds to eat or when to have his cheese than trying to deal with the bigger picture

This is probably one of the best posts i've read in a long time. It applies to so many people in so many ways. Though perharps JKurz1 is the best example.

 

[JKurz1]

This is probably one of the best posts i've read in a long time. It applies to so many people in so many ways. Though perharps JKurz1 is the best example.

Thursday July 20th

Well, I managed to take a complete day off (first in a few years) doing absolutely nothing. I had my carb meals in the first 3, reduced as the day progressed and final 2 were all protein/fats and fiberous carbs. Couldn't finish my in bed shake and cottage cheese, but got most of it down. I think I need to reduce that meal, or remove some of the calories as it's too much volume. What I am currently doing is: 1 large cup dry curd with sf jello, 1 scoop casein in about 3/4 cup of egg whites and skim, maybe too much splenda! Dry curd is mixed with either 2tb of pb or almond butter and or a handfull of walnuts or almonds (about 1/4 cup)

What are some in bed meals that you use?

Cranked out an intense tri session this morning for a gruling 45minutes followed with a deep glute ham stretch on the treadmill at a 12% incline and 2.5-3.0 speed for 15 minutes....trainer is against this, but I enjoy it as a cool down, plus it makes my appetite ramp....weighed in at 161 on Monday and 163 this morning.....I will avg. the two to 162 and not weight myself again until SUNDAY.

1ist meal was:

3/4 cup oats in a shake of:
1/4 skim, 1/2 cup egg beaters, 1 scoop whey, creatine and glutamine
15-20 (or a cup) of blueberries all blended......
added an additional 1/4 cup and ate them dry.........next meal in 20 minutes (945) of 1 full large cup of oats, 1/2 dozen egg whites, skim, 1 scoop casein (need to switch casein, makes oats too runny, tons of splenda.....green tea)

Tonight is Heavy back for 40 minutes
lat pull x 4
seat row x2
tbar row x 3
dbell rows x 3
all 6-8 reps.........hypers and abs. Good layout?

 

[silver_shadow]

What are some in bed meals that you use?

Tonight is Heavy back for 40 minutes
lat pull x 4
seat row x2
tbar row x 3
dbell rows x 3
all 6-8 reps.........hypers and abs. Good layout?

good to see you back on track.

i'm not sure what you mean by "in bed meals". here's what i do. because of the job i can't get in enough cals without waking up in the middle of the night and eating something. plus, for me, if i don't eat, i'll wake up hungry and needing to get something in my stomach anyway, else the stomach acids will take over. i usually have a little less than half a gallon of milk with oats and cornflakes. probably not ideal for a lot of folks though - but i'm happy so that's all that matters. you'll probably get used to putting down alot of cals at once.

for the back routine, honestly, i do alot less volume then that. however, since your now with a trainer, i'd rather do the tbar rows first followed by DB rows.

 

[JKurz1]

good to see you back on track.

i'm not sure what you mean by "in bed meals". here's what i do. because of the job i can't get in enough cals without waking up in the middle of the night and eating something. plus, for me, if i don't eat, i'll wake up hungry and needing to get something in my stomach anyway, else the stomach acids will take over. i usually have a little less than half a gallon of milk with oats and cornflakes. probably not ideal for a lot of folks though - but i'm happy so that's all that matters. you'll probably get used to putting down alot of cals at once.

for the back routine, honestly, i do alot less volume then that. however, since your now with a trainer, i'd rather do the tbar rows first followed by DB rows.

well, he just sent me an email. Not to happy with my diet yesterday as I missed a meal of pro/carbs (only about 300g of carbs total) but it was a rest day.....got to get on track today. Told him two meals down today, each having 55g of carbs and 40g protein, minimimal fat. He wants me to add in another shake sometime duiring the day no matter when of (1 cup oats, 2tb pb, 2 scoops casein, and milk) why do I have this feeling it will be 2 then three then four of these? I'm right around the 450 carb mark and 300g protein, 80-90 fat....TON OF CALS FOR ME!! ALMOST double what I wa used to....this seem extreme?

He sent me my routine for tonight and I guess I was a tad off the mark. His said exactly the same thing...TOO MUCH VOOLUMEEE!!

HERE IT IS:

BARBELL ROW 3 X6
WIDE PULL DOWN 3X8-12
DB ROWS 4 X 6
VGRIP 4 X 8-12

 

[silver_shadow]

i'd imagine with am & pm workouts your going to need those cals.

 

[JKurz1]

i'd imagine with am & pm workouts your going to need those cals.

Well, I asked his theory and he said he was actually against it. He knows my test is low and is expecting me to sub in 200mg of test starting next week at an HRT dose. He calims this will help me feel better, allow me to eat more and use more calories (protein synthesis), you familiar with his?

His training mentality is to get my ass off the treadmill in the morning and allow me to do something...that's why it's a small bodypart, and saves the big ones for pm......he also expressed that i he doesnt havent my habit kicked and back to a normal 4 day a week routine within 2 weeks, then he has failed. He claims by the growth I wll see from the xcess cals will encourage me to listen and rest more, working out once a day......Im just amaze how many cals I need to take it post pm training...it's honeslty like 2,000 cals in 2.5 hours, but he says I am so friggn weak and frail right now, that it will feel like I am in heaven and my body will respond nicely, it's been starving for two long. What about the abs, I asked. They are already faded...."shut up, stay off the scale, stay away from the mirrors and you will not go over 10% if you listen to me"....enoguhg said....I feel like Danielson.

 

[The Shadow]

Well, I asked his theory and he said he was actually against it. He knows my test is low and is expecting me to sub in 200mg of test starting next week at an HRT dose. He calims this will help me feel better, allow me to eat more and use more calories (protein synthesis), you familiar with his?

I know a LOT about performing enhancing supps.


I can tell you this......200 mg per week will WRECK your HPTA as is is just enough for the natural receptors to stop producing test.


200 mg, assuming you are in the low-normal to low range - will bump you *maybe* 50 ng/dl(or whatever units they use), which will disappear once you stop the test, and you fall into metabolic lag.


Test will increase protein synthesis as you stated.



I do suggest Test prop as opposed to enan or cyp

 

[JKurz1]

prop is fast acting....once a week? HRT dose is 250mg of enth or cyp every 10 days, no? Even a 250mg/week mild cycle for 10 weeks than a proper pct will produce some pretty nice gains in many newbs, no?

 

[JKurz1]

i'd imagine with am & pm workouts your going to need those cals.

What I meant by in bed meal was he wants me eating all the way to sleep...so my actual last meal comes as I lay down and watch the tube for a few minutes.........this is the layout with the crazy cals:

TRAIN 5:30-630

6:30
1 SCOOP WHEY 22 4 2 150
50G DEXTROSE (12tsp) 0 48 0 180
50G MUSSCLEMANS PIE FILLING 0 40 1 160
22 92 0 3 490

7:15
1 SCOOP WHEY 22 4 2 150
50G DEXTROSE(12tsp) 0 48 0 180
1 CUP OATS 3 55 3 300
25 0 107 0 5 630

830
1/2 CUP DRY BROWN RICE 5 45 2 217
4OZ CHICKEN, 4OZ SALMON 55 0 10 325
60 45 0 12 542

10PM
1 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 20 3 1 160
20 almonds and peanuts 6 6 16 175
1 SCOOP CASEIN 20 2 3 130
1 CUP SKIM--- 8 1 15 125
34 0 9 0 34 430

 

[The Shadow]

prop is fast acting....once a week? HRT dose is 250mg of enth or cyp every 10 days, no? Even a 250mg/week mild cycle for 10 weeks than a proper pct will produce some pretty nice gains in many newbs, no?

No.....used the prop E3D.


usual HRT is 200-400 every 2 weeks or so - so yes.



the Prop will keep some sides down b/c it IS faster acting

 

[Tweakle]

HRT that has you shooting once every 2 weeks without a multi blend of esters is a bad idea.. your levels will spike, then drop. That's why they have Sus for US style HRT (which sucks imo, 2-3 shorts a week is a way better idea for even blood levels)

And like shadow says, 200mg a week will basically just shut you down without replacing what you already make.

I'd go for the higher end but you need bloodwork done to see what your levels are if this is true HRT, not a mild cycle

 

[JKurz1]

No.....used the prop E3D.


usual HRT is 200-400 every 2 weeks or so - so yes.



the Prop will keep some sides down b/c it IS faster acting

Have you ever used the prop for therapy? 100mg e3d? How long did you go? PCT?

 

[BiggT]

Jkurtz, I am by no means a steroid guru or an expert or anything, but from my own past experiences, even with long-lasting esters like Cypionate and Enanthate, taking a shot once a week was a disaster. I'd take a shot on Mon and feel like the king of the world for 3 days, then on Thurs, I'd want to dig a hole and crawl in it. Long-lasting or not, I felt much, MUCH better taking a shot 2 times a week with 'longer-lasting' esters.

Thats just my own personal experience. I've used Propionate too, and I agree 1000% with Shadow.

 

[JKurz1]

TRUST ME, ALL I AM DOING RIGHT NOW is learning....I am in no way shape or for resorting to AAS, esp. at my state....but this is all good info. ANy more ideas, thoughts, suggestions?

I've just read so many threads and articles about guys getting some awesome gains with 200-250 of test cyp a week.....never prop, but would like to learn more....100mg e 3rd day?

 

[JKurz1]

also, really quickly, would you guys be able to consume the amount of cals I posted about from training to bed, or is it truly extraordinary and an extreme measure?

 

[BiggT]

also, really quickly, would you guys be able to consume the amount of cals I posted about from training to bed, or is it truly extraordinary and an extreme measure?

I easily eat more than that in calories, JK, the difference is my food choices, while not junk by any means at all, I am not super, super clean with it either, so it is easy for me to get cals in eating 4 whole eggs rather than 48 whites for example, lol....or Prime rib and mashed potatoes as opposed to boiled chicken. If I ate really clean while trying to gain, I'd probably throw up before I got all my calories in. If pizza is from a quality Mom and pop place (not Dominoes or some crap) I think it is fair game.

Again, I am not telling you to do as I do, but just illustrating how I get in all my cals without too much suffering

 

[sublime35]

Yeah about the HRT, i would certainly see a doctor and have your blood checked to be certain. I'm on 200mg/ ever two weeks for my HRT but when I started my test levels were at 77. That's fucking sick. There are females walking around with more than that.
I think I'm somewhere ~ 500 now. I feel it should be more. I'm sort of in between Endo's right now and my reg. doctor does specialize in internal med. but i'm still going to go back to an endo. for blood work interpretaiton, asap.

I suggest you do this too.

And just fucking eat. Don't worry about eating carbs late like it's going to make you fat. Get that out of your head. just eat the damn food. I used to eat 1c oats at night ~ 7-8 for my 5th meal. And i noticed to signifigant fat gain when i started doing this, any more than I was gaining before while bulking.

 

[JKurz1]

I easily eat more than that in calories, JK, the difference is my food choices, while not junk by any means at all, I am not super, super clean with it either, so it is easy for me to get cals in eating 4 whole eggs rather than 48 whites for example, lol....or Prime rib and mashed potatoes as opposed to boiled chicken. If I ate really clean while trying to gain, I'd probably throw up before I got all my calories in. If pizza is from a quality Mom and pop place (not Dominoes or some crap) I think it is fair game.

Again, I am not telling you to do as I do, but just illustrating how I get in all my cals without too much suffering

No way man...I am not insisting you are telling or forcing me into anything. I truly understand and what amazes me as this trainer and many here (well, you in particular) have the exact same mindset and same approach. I really think you guys would train well together and I feel more comfortable knowing that you support his theories. I promise you, he is nationally known.

HIS theory in a nutshell is what you do. HOWEVER, he works with his clients. He knows my health, knows my extreme "aneroxic nervousa" problem in the past (or recovering, def. recovering!) and wants me to be comfortable. Not slam a mass load of cals in my face and say DO IT! See how he is slowly adding different things to my diet? We started off with about 3,600 cals for initial shock. Now, it's additional 1,000 cal shake (or there abouts), next week 98% meat gets subbed out and 95% subbed in....6oz turns into 8oz, 1 banana turns into 3, nuts start out being measured and weighed and then it turns into a handful. You follow me? So you agree with his methodology....my question whether isnt whether or not it was too many cals, but too many cals so close together....it's like 1/2 of my intake comes in 4 meals, bang, bang, bang post training as he feel it is when I need them the most. I have such a hard time rationlizing, but it's my mind. Why in the hill do we need so many cals when we are in the gym for 45 minutes of str8 intensity? I've noticed my workout changing big time. No more 30+ sets, it's all or nothing and I know if I dont bust my ass, those cals will do nothing but make me a fat fuck....sure I get depressed still when the abs are faded and hopefully I will get em back...tell me I will! LOL Please...matter of fact, I bought some clen, winny and eq...got it in my drawer....just to know it's there when I decided to crank it up and cut again....sure it might not be for 14months, but I need to hit that goal....15 months till show time......


what are your thoughts???

 

[JKurz1]

Yeah about the HRT, i would certainly see a doctor and have your blood checked to be certain. I'm on 200mg/ ever two weeks for my HRT but when I started my test levels were at 77. That's fucking sick. There are females walking around with more than that.
I think I'm somewhere ~ 500 now. I feel it should be more. I'm sort of in between Endo's right now and my reg. doctor does specialize in internal med. but i'm still going to go back to an endo. for blood work interpretaiton, asap.

I suggest you do this too.

And just fucking eat. Don't worry about eating carbs late like it's going to make you fat. Get that out of your head. just eat the damn food. I used to eat 1c oats at night ~ 7-8 for my 5th meal. And i noticed to signifigant fat gain when i started doing this, any more than I was gaining before while bulking.

Lol did you mean you notice NO fat gain bro......or freudian slip?? Has the ioncrease in test made you pack on mass? Allow ou to eat more like he said?

BigT...what are your stats?

 

[sublime35]

Lol did you mean you notice NO fat gain bro......or freudian slip?? Has the ioncrease in test made you pack on mass? Allow ou to eat more like he said?

BigT...what are your stats?

no i didn't say no fat gain, i said no extra, from what I was already gaining from my bulking. And mind you this was before I even started my HRT. I've been adding some mass, but at only 200mg/2weeks i'm not expecting to shoot up, but like i said, i'm down 8-10 lbs now and my lifts are still going up. I've noticed no decrease in strength, while cutting.

as far as when bulking. i don't really know. I can say i noticed my lats and traps getting bigger but when you look at yourself every day it's hard to tell. i should have taken some before pics.

 

[BiggT]

JK, I am just about 6' and 250 right now. I have pics in my 'gallery' if you wanted to have a look.

I understand what this guy is having you do now, he is trying to gradually ween you into a healthy and rational outlook on training and diet without having you do a complete 180 degree turn on day 1.....I do think it is a good idea and will be good for you long-term.

Also, lol, we all have abs, its called the human body. They won't disappear forever, so don't sweat it, man. Now is the time for you to grow though, so don't be concerned with them. Put the focus more on lifting PRs in the gym and your strength for the next year or so.

 

[JKurz1]

no i didn't say no fat gain, i said no extra, from what I was already gaining from my bulking. And mind you this was before I even started my HRT. I've been adding some mass, but at only 200mg/2weeks i'm not expecting to shoot up, but like i said, i'm down 8-10 lbs now and my lifts are still going up. I've noticed no decrease in strength, while cutting.

as far as when bulking. i don't really know. I can say i noticed my lats and traps getting bigger but when you look at yourself every day it's hard to tell. i should have taken some before pics.

no........And i noticed to signifigant fat gain.........is what u said, i only know english

 

[JKurz1]

JK, I am just about 6' and 250 right now. I have pics in my 'gallery' if you wanted to have a look.

I understand what this guy is having you do now, he is trying to gradually ween you into a healthy and rational outlook on training and diet without having you do a complete 180 degree turn on day 1.....I do think it is a good idea and will be good for you long-term.

Also, lol, we all have abs, its called the human body. They won't disappear forever, so don't sweat it, man. Now is the time for you to grow though, so don't be concerned with them. Put the focus more on lifting PRs in the gym and your strength for the next year or so.

I;m 30 bro...it gets harder and harder.....

 

[JKurz1]

JK, I am just about 6' and 250 right now. I have pics in my 'gallery' if you wanted to have a look.

I understand what this guy is having you do now, he is trying to gradually ween you into a healthy and rational outlook on training and diet without having you do a complete 180 degree turn on day 1.....I do think it is a good idea and will be good for you long-term.

Also, lol, we all have abs, its called the human body. They won't disappear forever, so don't sweat it, man. Now is the time for you to grow though, so don't be concerned with them. Put the focus more on lifting PRs in the gym and your strength for the next year or so.

cant view em...bf%...what would a typical days diet look like?

 

[BiggT]

cant view em...bf%...what would a typical days diet look like?

I honestly don't know my BF %. My goals aren't really physique-related, so long as I don't get sloppy.

I have a journal on here, feel free to check it out/post/ask questions. If your goal is a BB show though, our approaches will be different with training and all. I don't measure/count/weigh anything. I have rough estimates. When I want to drop weight, I cut out milk and white carbs and add an AM session of light olympic lifts/some light cardio. Again, I am happy shedding some weight, I never had a reason or desire to get into the sub 9% bodyfat range.

Typically breakfast is 4 whole eggs and I will make an omlette with ham or bacon or sometimes even ground beef or chicken. I have 2 or 3 servings of oatmeal and a quart of milk (I shoot for a gallon of milk a day).

Mainly my meals are chicken/beef/fish/pork with a salad and veggies and a starch (typically potatoes, rice, corn meal, pasta, and I eat both 'bleached' carbs and whole grains, it just depends what I am in the mood for)

Once a day, one of my meals is either lunch out (sometimes a big turkey sub, or even a cheese steak, sometimes sushi, or chinese food) Some days I will eat pizza for dinner post training with a whey shake. I went out to dinner last night, I had french onion soup, lol, a big salad, and a prime rib sandwich and a baked potato with butter and sour cream.

Snacks are stuff peanuts/cashews/almonds (not counted, lol), PB and J with a banana, apples and PB, sometimes a whey shake, and I drink lots of water as I feel keeping hydrated keeps me alert throughout the day.

I try to stay away from really bad garbage like candy and desserts, fast foods (although a little common sense at a fast food joint can take you a long way), I don't eat things like packaged cupcakes and frozen dinners and pure shit.....If I feel I can afford the cals or if I feel I need the cals, I'll have some ice cream (not a gallon) or some fries with a meal.

 

[JKurz1]

from what I can tell, you look pretty young and pretty lean...amazing metabolism, I guess....on you on any gear now? You'd do 100mg of test prop e 3 d over 250/week r days days? What about test cyp or enth at 100mg. every 4th day?

What is you job? Pretty active all day?

 

[BiggT]

JK, I'm 27, I do need to eat a lot to keep my weight up and it is easy for me to lose weight...I always had a pretty fast metabolism. I counsel juvenile delinquents, not exactly manual labor, lol

I haven't used any gear since '03. With Enanthate and Cypionate (I had ones that were always 200mg/cc), the most I have used is 600mg/week, more often I'd use 400-500mg a week...so I'd split up the weekly does and take half on Mon/Thurs. Propionate, I would take M-W-F at 100mg each shot, thats 300mg a week, which is half of the dose I'd use of a longer-lasting ester, but I really liked the prop, felt it right away, and I felt that was plenty for me.

 

[JKurz1]

I like your theory, but I kind of like the 100mg every 3rd day of enth or cyp....125mg m and thursday

 

[JKurz1]

JV row better than reg. barbell row? Lighter weight more of a 90 degree angle? Is that right?

 

[JKurz1]

Anyone else?

 

[BiggT]

JK....do you mean the Pendlay / JS Row? I love them. I keep the back as close to 90 degrees as possible and de-weight each rep on the floor. Staying at 90 degrees (or as damn close as humanly possible) really activates the lats....most people in most gyms turn rows into a glorified shrug or clean pull.

 

[JKurz1]

I am liking the thought of down the road 100mg cyp M and 100mg on thursday...even keel....

 

[BiggT]

I am liking the thought of down the road 100mg cyp M and 100mg on thursday...even keel....

Down the road, man, down the road.....and definitely discuss it with guys who know more about gear than I do.

But right now, I think your body is just waiting to explode once it is fed properly and trained progressively.

 

[JKurz1]

agreed! Thanks for the support!!

 

[The Shadow]

I am liking the thought of down the road 100mg cyp M and 100mg on thursday...even keel....

do what you want......there is NO reason to use cyp or enan over prop since you are sticking 2x per week.


It is a scientific fact that the heavier the esterified chain - the more sides associated.

Its why(as applied to side effects)

Decanoates > enanthates > props > no esters (suspension)


As always - its your body - do what you want - it will take 2-3 times al long to get a working dose in the bloostream - unless you front load

 

[sublime35]

no........And i noticed to signifigant fat gain.........is what u said, i only know english

ur right, my bad dude. that was supposed to be an "n" instead of a "t".

 

[silver_shadow]

just a thought here. i am by no means a gear guru and have always had good levels of test (i'm 26 now). so i don't know much about HRT. i was wondering, would it be possible to try some PCT style therapy and IF that didn't get great results, then resorting to HRT? something like HCG/nolva and some herbal supps?

 

[JKurz1]

Just to followup before I start todays log, I;ve tried pct, I was RXd the patch (Androderm) about a year ago because my test was so low. I used it for about 6 months, my doc sort of weened me off. It did nothing. I then did a pct on my own, to the tee, and it did very litle. I am pretty confident that it is due to my low bodyfat, and low caloric intake.

I do have both Cyp and prop at my house. I was pondering the idea of uising 200mg a week, split up into two doses of 100-125 M and Thr. to sort of kick start me into high gear, make me feel a little bbetter...allow me to eat more, etc. Has anyone did a small cycle like this on a good clean heavy diet and made some good gains? How is the water retention/bloat with cyp?

 

[JKurz1]

Friday -

Not feeling to hot thisw morning. Went to the gym and felt really good after poping some BCAAs and a rippedforce. Got home and it was a dire struggle to put down 1 cup of oats, so I took half and tossed them into a scoop of banana scream cytosport (good stuff), 1/2 cup egg beaters, 1/2 cup skim......the other half of oats, I ate raw, but probably only got in 1/4 of them...so...

almost cup of raw oats
1/2 cup egg beaters
25g of whey
1/2 cup skim
overflow cup of blueberries.......feeling bloated, fat and blah...just one of those day where depression sits in after eating so much *well, more than I am used to* and I have this fear. This skinny fat fear. Nothing worse than the skinny fat look, god I hope this doesnt happen! Sorry boys, just some mild depression, ITs friday damn it.......cmon

20 MINUTES GLUTE HAM STRETCH 5AM (3.0, 11.5 RAMP) 20MINUTES (SHHH!)'
4 SETS STR8 LEG DEADS (1 WARMUP)
3 SETS GOOD MORNINGS
2 SETS HYPEREXT. NO WEIGHT
3 SETS SUPER STRICT LEG CURLS
FROG LEG LEG PRESS X 3
6SETS CALVES, 3 SETS ROPE CRUNCH ABS.....

I SHOULD HIT THE BUIFFETS AND PIZZA ALL WEEKEND, HUH? JUST DONT FEEL UP TO IT.......I WANTED TO BE 100% clean all week and then eat my ass off and eat whatever from Friday night to Sunday night.

Good news, my bro. made weight (NPC championship in PA) by 1/2 pound......called him last night and he's pumped up the carb up today...70g of carbs in each of his 9 meals.....he's been so restricted for 2 weeks, yesterday, I thought we'd have to wheelchair him in.

 

[silver_shadow]

IMO, all types of test will give pretty much the same bloat/water retention. about the cycling, well define "short". there's been this whole raging debate about short (2-4 wk) cycles and whether they are effective or not. there are at least 2 types of short cycles i've read about on the boards - Nelson Montana's (there's an old article about it on t-nation - something about steroids for health) and there was another bro's 2 wk approach but i can't seem to remember who the bro was. maybe someone with a plat search will help out in finding the "2 wk cycle" thread.

not sure if that's what you meant by small cycle - if you meant dosage... then the lowest dose i've done was 250mg sus e5d for 7 shots on which i made good enough progress. that was some time ago though. ***EXIT*** forgot to mention - i was over 210 when i started.

 

[silver_shadow]

another question - how would the HRT affect JK considering the stage he's in... what i'm getting at is: is it possible to recover full functionality without HRT and with a suitable diet, or with HRT and obviously the diet?

 

[JKurz1]

I think we discussed this and my AAS would def. not come for a few months. I am 165 as of today...I need to be at least 185 before I start....I dont want to waste my gear geting up to a weight I should be at normally......Only poblem I have having right now if eating enough (sometimes depression sets in, but nothing like it used to be!) and lifting heavy as my tentons are so weak from being so fragile....I hope with weight gain will come strength...this true?

 

[BiggT]

Yeah, JK, as you gain weight, the gym lifts improve. You're giving your body what it needs to thrive and grow and improve.

As far as binging at buffets over the weekend, lol, keep it in perspective and use moderation. Maybe eat crappy once each day for example.....if you eat too, too shitty for three days you will feel like a train wreck come Monday....But, make sure to get ALL of your calories in.

Also wanted to say you have made huge strides with your approach to training/nutrition over the last week. You seem to be serious this time around and are well on your way. Just stick through the next 3 weeks and when you can visibly see prominent improvements, your mind will stop playing games with you, the depression will stop, you'll see that this stuff works, and you'll actually be in a great mood and have a general feeling of well-being, walking around huge and hard.

As for Silver Shadow's question about HRT, I honestly am not that educated on the subject, but I will bump for The Shadow or somebody.

 

[JKurz1]

Yeah, JK, as you gain weight, the gym lifts improve. You're giving your body what it needs to thrive and grow and improve.

As far as binging at buffets over the weekend, lol, keep it in perspective and use moderation. Maybe eat crappy once each day for example.....if you eat too, too shitty for three days you will feel like a train wreck come Monday....But, make sure to get ALL of your calories in.

Also wanted to say you have made huge strides with your approach to training/nutrition over the last week. You seem to be serious this time around and are well on your way. Just stick through the next 3 weeks and when you can visibly see prominent improvements, your mind will stop playing games with you, the depression will stop, you'll see that this stuff works, and you'll actually be in a great mood and have a general feeling of well-being, walking around huge and hard.

As for Silver Shadow's question about HRT, I honestly am not that educated on the subject, but I will bump for The Shadow or somebody.

Couldnt have got this far without you brutha...and that aint no bull...do me one favor...remind me everytime I get weak on cals that I'm only hurting myself.....and I want to be on stage in 15months....for example, I was preping my 2nd meal last night and the oats (1 cuo) just seemed like a ton when they were cooked and in my tuppaware topped with casein...so I started to spoon some out......so my next meal of 1 cup oas, egg whites and casein is LESS than it should be but I have no idea by how much....4-5 spoonfulls.....WEAK! I can't be weak bro.....the only good thing is this two a day training...it's kicking my ass, but I love going full bore for 40 minutes MAX....I used to train two bodyparts once a day and found myself 40 minutes into in, dragging ass, going to 10-12 reps of lighter weight, etc...Now, my brother is moved back into town and is my spot....we slam on our headphones and go full tilt for 40 solid minutes, heavy as possible (1/2 of his weight, lol) etc...it sucks...my kid brother (26 years old) who I used to beat the shit out of is now 6'2, 200lbs nd looks damn good.....he doesnt care about adding mass, as he's content, and he should be.....I mean shiot, I'm using 55lbs on militiary dbell and this bastard picks up the 80's....then he goes and has 3 cheeseburges and mushrooms......I got to catch him bro......I really want to kick it into gear and toss in 250mg a week, but this isn't the way to go, right...even for 10 weeks? All I can think of is that it'll do nothing but help me slam more calories because my mind will tell me that Ineed to eat even more now so I dont waste the gear......thought?

 

[BiggT]

Of course gear tends to keep people thinking all the time about their body (feeding it on time, living a solid, clean lifestyle, being consistent with workouts etc etc)....I still really feel you should hold off at this point at least for the time being, plus I think it is important mentally for you to see that simply training hard and consistently and eating ENOUGH can take you very far.

 

[silver_shadow]

ok i misunderstood - i thought your going to get on HRT next wk. i'm kind of relieved for you that you'll be waiting longer than that.

 

[JKurz1]

yes, my plan is to wait.....that is what i will do...when the gains start and the strength increases, I am going to run 125mgof test on Monday and again on Thursday...then crank my cals another 500-1000......Like I said, from monday i'm up 5lbs....pro. a lot of water, abs are fading, but my training is intense...

MEAL 2
1 CUP OATS (LITTLE LESS, STUPID!)
TONS OF SPLENDA
EGG WHITES (3)
1/2 CUP EGG BEATERS
1/2 CUP SKIM
GREEN TEA

54CARBS, 45G PRO., 7G OF FAT = APPROX 650 CALS
MEAL #1 = APPROX. 600 CALS....


BOYS - STIL HAVING A ROUGH TIME EATING 4 MEALS FROM 615PM TO 930PM POSTWORKOUT.....ALMOST 2,500 CALS IN 3 HOURS, DAMN!!!!!!

 

[mm107]

keep up your training jkurz, doing good. Dont jump on the gear bandwagon right away, wait just a tab bit longer. just my opinion, only because u just started getting full swing again, feed your body, let it blow up quickly from the change of routine, and then jump on if you want.

Doing good in my opinion so keep it up bro!

 

[JKurz1]

thnx...just having some mild depression...bloated, tired, absolutely no hunger, 2 meals down another scheduled for 1pm (1 hr away) and I'm just not in the mood...brought pasta and chicken and a huge salad.......weird cause I had a pretty intense wo this morning....

2 cups of oats
2 scoops of whey
12 egg whites
1 cup skim
1/2 cup of egg beaters
1 cup blueberries

the above was my first two meals of the day - not a crazy amount of calories, wondering why I'm just not feeling it..........

 

[The Shadow]

another question - how would the HRT affect JK considering the stage he's in... what i'm getting at is: is it possible to recover full functionality without HRT and with a suitable diet, or with HRT and obviously the diet?

yes......his HPTA needs(and WILL) resolve itself on its own...better to let it happen now than to go "on" and push it till later.

Sooner or later you have to pay the fiddler to dance

 

[JKurz1]

how would a low dose cycle effect me?

 

[guldukat]

Whoa, 165? A year or more ago you said you were sitting at 6% bodyfat and weighing 190-plus. What happened, dude?

 

[JKurz1]

Whoa, 165? A year or more ago you said you were sitting at 6% bodyfat and weighing 190-plus. What happened, dude?

cancer.........thnx

 

[JKurz1]

1pm 3rd meal update:

Slated for 4 oz of dry pasta (whole wheat, great carb source!!! - voted number 2 next to oats, but too much oats will make me bloated f'er)
a good sized salad
8oz cooked chicken and buffalo, topped with a boat load of veggies,

carbs 70g, pro 55g, fats 9-10g - prob. 750cals....


Result -

Got in 2 oz of ww pasta, appetite is friggn hurting me.
8oz chick/buff and all of the salad.........

carbs = 55g, pro 55g, fat 9-10


this sucks.....trainer will have my ass, but i'm up 5-6lbs so he sohouldnt be too concerned......feeln totally bloated and blah....abs are faded, no cardio is hurting me (mentally).....I got another meal at 3pm, then training at 4pm, then the true cals come in and now I am going to have to up them due to my weak appetite so far......what are the tricks bros? Damn I need some EQ!!!!1

 

[guldukat]

cancer.........thnx

Jesus, man. Sorry to hear that. Are you O.K. now, I hope?

 

[JKurz1]

hope so...thnx

 

[fortunatesun]

.....I got another meal at 3pm, then training at 4pm, then the true cals come in and now I am going to have to up them due to my weak appetite so far......what are the tricks bros? Damn I need some EQ!!!!1

You mean you need an appetizer- something to stimulate your appetite for the seven courses to come. I think you sort of know the answer already without having to read Larousse Gastronomique. You want something that's going to spike your insulin. Hey, betcha can't eat just one potato chip!
OK, I get it, you don't mess the diet the trainer gave you. There's a couple things you can do, though. Spike your PWO drink with some extra dextrose: you'll be hungrier when it's time to eat again. PWO is a good time to for 6-10 g fish oil, which also increases insulin sensitivity: help you shuttle increased nutrients. Certain whole foods can do this without turning you into a fatty. Results can be highly individual, the doc needs to run tests but a couple of safe bets:Milk does a body good, and you'll be able to pound down more food with a high protein+high carbohydrate combination. (post workout, right? )
One thing- You've just started this diet and already you're experiencing problems with it. The common freshman mistake for most of us. It takes a lot of discipline to change the way you eat. You don't need a lecture from me, but a little positive reinforcement can be helpful. I think this strips away alot of inessential thinking and provides an easily remembered mental checklist of things you need to be consistent with:

7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs

 

[Cynical Simian]

......what are the tricks bros?

First, good to see you back on track. I admit I didn't think you'd stick with it, so continue to prove me wrong.

Honestly, the best thing you can do is just keep eating those high-volume foods (cooked oats, egg whites, etc.). Part of the problem might be that your stomach is literally small from years of undereating. Back before I started lifting, when I was doing a bunch of running and severely undereating, the first time I replaced a couple slices of whole-wheat bread with a half-cup of oats, I had terrible stomach pain during my run the next day. But it'll get better if you just keep forcing yourself to eat.

Also, I guess this will go against "sticking to the diet", but there's nothing more calorie-dense than olive (or any other) oil. A tablespoon of the stuff with each of your meals or between them would give you 120 calories a pop, which could quickly add up without being filling.

 

[JKurz1]

THANKS DUDES cyn and fort - you are good bros and i need your support. Much K for the help and boost....my diet plain and simple sucked today. I ate like 1/2 the requied meals....just felt terribly bloated. Then went and trained chest for the first time in awhile with a partner (my bro)...amazing, for example, how week my tendons are. I could barely do 50's on incline dbell two weeks ago. Its like my muscles are strong by tendons are fragile as all hell...with a boost today, the 70's were cake.....I am in a fragile state as 100's were easily pressed for 8 back in the day...what have I done? Is it really undereating?

Just got depressed after and barely made my cup of oats, whey, salmon chicken..in my next two meals but diid.......now, I just felt I needed to get out and I drove off.....saw Quinoos and could smell the aroma...havent had fast food in 6 years, got two angus steak footlongs in front of me, piping hot.....I may just have to go balls out for a few hrs each day this weekend,,,hows that sound? Sunday is weighin with my trainer, he will not be too pleased.

 

[alex2678]

Good luck Kurz. Enjoy your angus steak too. Good shit. Don't get depressed about any bloating. I gaurantee you're the only one who notices this and no one else around you can tell the difference. Eating disorders are tough to get over but you can do. Stay focused and don't worry about water or fat gain. You'll look 1000 times better with each additional pound that you put on.

 

[Cynical Simian]

I may just have to go balls out for a few hrs each day this weekend,,,hows that sound?

lol, asking permission to have a "cheat meal" kinda defeats the purpose of relaxing and enjoying yourself. Like I said in one of your other threads, mentally you could use it, whether it's a daily or weekly free meal. But missing meals during the week then trying to compensate for it with big restaurant meals on the weekend isn't the way you want to think about gaining weight in the long run.

With the tendons, it could be simple overuse given your training history. Also, what did your lift selection look like before this? If you've been using a lot of machines, your joints and stabilizers could be weak relative to your muscles, even if you've lost a lot of strength in the latter.

 

[fortunatesun]

Jkurz, they keep the unflavored gelatin right next to the Geritol at your local supermarket.

 

[JKurz1]

Jkurz, they keep the unflavored gelatin right next to the Geritol at your local supermarket.

????

 

[The Shadow]

for the joints

 

[JKurz1]

Last night was a struggle.....I was just not feeling it....then I made up this new casein shake from nutrional expres..it's casein pudding, in a packets,25g of pro, 2g of fat, 0 sugar, 0 carbs...so I thought it would be perfet in a blender to wash down my cc and almonds.....Made it up with some skim and ice and egg whites, layed down, and it was so thick, so pudding like, like I could get half down before I really felt like shit. Sucked. Still feel the effect today. My stomach really has been bothering me...I'm sure it's a couple of things. Much abuse of splenda and sf products....my overcunsumption of sf gum (TON!) and my lower baclk which is sore sore its crazy...

Then I tried some mary jane to help with my appetite, and all it did was make me crash.

Hmm....went to the grocery, standing at the checkout I was flipping through the candy bars. Geezus my nutional image has been so distorted it's sick! I mean one candy bar, could have 300cals in it. A LITTLE CANDY BAR, which some people eat daily. Now, that's the same as 1 cup of oats......Personally, I MUCH MUCH rather chomp on some raw oats with splenda, but here I am worried about the extra 1/4 cup, like this morning. I had 3/4 cup oats, 1/2 cup oat bran...and I was thinkiong about tossing in another 1/4 cup oats raw to chew on, but I didnt...too many carbs.....Im working on it fellas, just need your help!

 

[Cynical Simian]

Regardless of what your trainer tells you about the evils of sugar substitutes, the dairy products are a much more likely culprit, in addition to the fact that you're simply eating more than you used to.

I think we need to talk about this trainer, specifically getting rid of him. I know it's been a taboo subject since you've stated that you want to stick with his plan, but hear me out. I don't think I'm the only person here with a rather low opinion of him (and of PTs in general).

Other than the fact that he's not allowing you to do 60-minute cardio sessions, the few details of his workouts that you've provided are unimpressive, and his diet is making you mentally and physically miserable. That's not to say that some mental discomfort is a bad thing, since it's inevitable if you're going to break out of your old habits. But you're never going to put down 3-4000 calories per day if you're eating foods you hate just because some guy takes your money and tells you to eat them. So why not put together a diet and workout plan with the help of people here that you'll actually stick to and enjoy?