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Its a tough call for the Superbowl.

ass_face said:
Hasslebeck? Proven? LMAO!!!!
:rolleyes:

He fucking sucks wang.
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We understand you're a Pittsburg fan but don't be stupid with comments like that.Hassleback is a solid player and has very good accuracy.Give credit when its due.......He took his team to the super bowl so he deserves a little credit imo.
 
Deterass said:
We understand you're a Pittsburg fan but don't be stupid with comments like that.Hassleback is a solid player and has very good accuracy.Give credit when its due.......He took his team to the super bowl so he deserves a little credit imo.
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I am not sure when he has exactly proven himself... not saying that Ben is 100% proven, but in his short 2 year career he has proven more than Hasslebeck. All I remeber of Hasslebeck is the "We want the ball and we are going to score!"... Oops... INT...lol.

Using the proven QB logic, Steelers should have lost to Indy and Denver. I think Hasslebeck is a nice mediocre QB. He used to be the type of QB that would lose you games, but he seems to have controlled that a bit. I would rate him a hair above Plummer.... but that is a close call.
 
ass_face said:
I am not sure when he has exactly proven himself... not saying that Ben is 100% proven, but in his short 2 year career he has proven more than Hasslebeck. All I remeber of Hasslebeck is the "We want the ball and we are going to score!"... Oops... INT...lol.

Using the proven QB logic, Steelers should have lost to Indy and Denver. I think Hasslebeck is a nice mediocre QB. He used to be the type of QB that would lose you games, but he seems to have controlled that a bit. I would rate him a hair above Plummer.... but that is a close call.
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did u know that i blessed the rains down in africa
 
Interesting analysis from another board:

FACT: Pittsburgh lost 5 games while Seattle lost 3. BUT...only 2 with Ben healthy. Maddox lost 2 and they lost to Indy after Ben returned from 4 games off. If Ben were healthy, Steelers beat Jacksonville and Baltimore, finish 13-3, win the north and are probably the #2 seed.

FACT: Steelers ended the season with the 5th ranked Strength of Schedule. Seattle finished with the 30th ranked SOS. Only the Bears and Packers faced teams with fewer wins. Seattle has not beaten a team with a winning record since Nov. 27 (gotta subtract the Colts since they rested most of their team)

FACT: Steelers beat the #1, #2 and #3 seeds....on the road. Seattle beat the #5 and #6 seeds....at home. The Seahawks have not played a team as good as the Steelers all year. The Steelers have beaten two teams in the past two weeks who are arguably both better than the Seahawks.

FACT: Seattle has one victory against a team that went on to win its division. (Colts don't count. They rested most of their starters). Steelers have beaten 3 in the past 3 weeks...and have 5 wins this season against teams who would win their division.

FACT: Shaun Alexander has 40 post season carries.....23 for no game or loss. Now he faces one of the NFL's most overpowering run defenses.

FACT: Steelers have held its last 3 opponets to WELL below their rushing averages. Cincy averaged 119.4 for the year. They got 84 vs. Pitts. Colts averaged 106.4 for the year. They got 58 vs. Pitt. Broncos entered the game with the 2nd ranked rushing offense in the NFL with 158.7 for year. They got 97.

FACT: Steelers have not allowed more than 105 yards rushing in any of its past 7 games....and are allowing only 76.5 yards/game during this 7-0 win streak.

Seattle is a good team, no doubt. But if you want to predict a victory, try doing it with logical facts that are not so easily picked apart!

Seattle has 4 sacks over its past 2 games. Steelers have 12 over its past three. The Steelers front 7 are a much more imposing group. The Seahawks have gone 15-32 on 3rd down conversions over the past 2 games. The key to Seattle's success during the playoffs has been the ability to keep the opponents from converting 3rd downs. Washington and Carolina went a combined 6 for 28. The Steelers have converted 22 of its 41 3rd down conversions. The problem for Seattle is that the Steelers will convert 3rd downs. They have done it regularly during this 7-0 win streak. If Seattle cannot hold the Steelers to 30% or so on 3rd downs (and they don't have the secondary to do this), then they are in a world of trouble. There are FAR more reasons to why the Steelers should win this game than there are why the Seahawks should.
 
ass_face said:
Interesting analysis from another board:

FACT: Pittsburgh lost 5 games while Seattle lost 3. BUT...only 2 with Ben healthy. Maddox lost 2 and they lost to Indy after Ben returned from 4 games off. If Ben were healthy, Steelers beat Jacksonville and Baltimore, finish 13-3, win the north and are probably the #2 seed.
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FACT : The last part of your statement wouldn't be a fact,it would be an opinion.

FACT:We all know opinions are like assholes .....everyone has one.
 
and 1-2 of that 4 is because pittsburgh is more popular and enjoys considerable more national notoriety
 
Phaded said:
fact because they want people to bet on seattle and lose their money..
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Actually the line moves because of lop sided bets. The line has stayed close to the original which means the betting has been pretty even for both teams.
 
Deterass said:
Actually the line moves because of lop sided bets. The line has stayed close to the original which means the betting has been pretty even for both teams.
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def was joking..
 
Deterass said:
FACT : The last part of your statement wouldn't be a fact,it would be an opinion.

FACT:We all know opinions are like assholes .....everyone has one.
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Yes it is an opinion, but one based on the truth. If Ben plays in the Jacksonville and Baltimore game, they win easily. Anyone who watched the games would agree. Sure it isn't a fact, but it is 99.9% true.

BTW, word is that Seattle is practicing the shotgun formation, which they have not used all season. Looks like Pittsburgh is already in their heads. As I recall Manning and Plummer were getting routinely assraped in the shotgun, so I doubt it will matter.
 
ass_face said:
Yes it is an opinion, but one based on the truth. If Ben plays in the Jacksonville and Baltimore game, they win easily. Anyone who watched the games would agree. Sure it isn't a fact, but it is 99.9% true.

BTW, word is that Seattle is practicing the shotgun formation, which they have not used all season. Looks like Pittsburgh is already in their heads. As I recall Manning and Plummer were getting routinely assraped in the shotgun, so I doubt it will matter.
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can't wait for sunday bro..
 
Deterass said:
Actually the line moves because of lop sided bets. The line has stayed close to the original which means the betting has been pretty even for both teams.
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well we're back to the two week break
I don't expect to see much movement until thursday/friday
 
ass_face said:
Yes it is an opinion, but one based on the truth. If Ben plays in the Jacksonville and Baltimore game, they win easily. Anyone who watched the games would agree. Sure it isn't a fact, but it is 99.9% true.

BTW, word is that Seattle is practicing the shotgun formation, which they have not used all season. Looks like Pittsburgh is already in their heads. As I recall Manning and Plummer were getting routinely assraped in the shotgun, so I doubt it will matter.
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watch out for that 6'7" tight end
what's his name?
 
TRENT DILFER
QB played against one of the Super Bowl teams (Pittsburgh) and for the other (Seattle).
From The Akron Beacon Journal…
Dilfer faced the Pittsburgh Steelers this season and got beat pretty good by them, 34-21. Dilfer then watched Charlie Frye try to play as the Steelers put a 41-0 pasting on the Browns in the season's penultimate game. That loss was so bad that when Dilfer was asked if he wanted to go in the game to help, he said yes, at first, but it reaches a point where the quarterback who starts has to take his lumps and finish.

This 75-21, two-game disparity would seem to indicate that Dilfer thinks the Steelers are a clear favorite in Super Bowl Big Letters.

Not so.

"I think Seattle's a better team than Pittsburgh," Dilfer said. And it's not because of his close friendship with Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck. 'I think a lot of people take my opinion of Seattle as biased, but I don't think that I am," he said. "I think I can look at it objectively.'

Dilfer spent the week of the AFC Championship Game in Seattle, covering the game for the NFL Network. What Dilfer saw was a Seattle team that is every bit as physical as Pittsburgh, and a defense that is very underrated. 'For some reason people think they are a finesse team,' he said. 'Those people don't know what they're talking about.' So while people wonder if Shaun Alexander will run on Pittsburgh's vaunted defense, Dilfer wonders if the Steelers will run on Seattle.

Dilfer said the West Coast system that Seattle runs will allow the offense to have more success than the teams Pittsburgh's defense has faced. 'This scheme matches up well against the three-four,' Dilfer said. 'Pittsburgh's 3-4 overwhelmed the three teams they played. I don't think that can happen with this team and this system.'

And Dilfer has no doubt that Seattle's line will allow league Most Valuable Player Shaun Alexander to run the ball. "Maybe not for 140 yards, but they'll run the ball," he said.

The "X" factor for Dilfer is his friend, Hasselbeck. Dilfer said Hasselbeck should be considered with Tom Brady of New England and Peyton Manning of Indianapolis among the league's best three. His rating of 98.2 ranked fourth in the league. But right ahead of him? Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (98.6). 'Ben is playing great, better than I've ever seen him play,' Dilfer said. 'But nobody is playing better than No. 8 (Hasselbeck). I call it a pick 'em."
 
4everhung said:
well we're back to the two week break
I don't expect to see much movement until thursday/friday
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I don't think it will move too much. At 3.5 to 4, that will allow those that think Pitt to win outright in a close one to bet on Seattle with the points. I saw national poll and 67% think Pitt will win... You figure about 15-20% feel it will be close, so the spread currently where it is, will take care of evening it out.
 
national polls are shit
the oddsmaker's should set the NCAA top 25 at start and leave it with them
I've read 57% of the action so far is on Pitt
 
JIM FASSEL:
Mike Holmgren's friend and college roommate.
From the Miami Herald…
After taking on Pittsburgh's ferocious, zone blitz as the Ravens' offensive coordinator, the former Giants coach is picking the Seahawks to win Super Bowl XL.

"We didn't play real well all season and realistically, we should have beaten them twice," Fassel said by telephone this week. "They didn't hammer us. We should have beaten them twice. I think Seattle's a pretty hard-nosed, athletic group of guys that will match up pretty well."

'They're no different than anybody else. You can run on them if you have a good scheme. But you'd better have a plan in that pass protection," he said. "They do give you a number of looks and if you look at it in its entirety, you say, `Oh, this is confusing.' So you have to go back and make it not confusing to your guys. And that's not hard. You can do that."

'I remember telling our guys this," Fassel said. '`They're going to have some things they hit us with when their timing is right and they've got us in the wrong protection. Just minimize it. Instead of a 10-yard sack, make it a three-yard sack. And for God's sake don't throw it up for grabs.''

Fassel said that Hasselbeck is underrated in terms of his composure. "He doesn't do stupid things with the ball," he said. "Mike's system is pretty sound. They'll throw the ball fairly quick. They don't drop back with a lot of looks. He'll have a plan that will be very basic and his priority will be the quarterback. I think he'll handle the 3-4 pretty well. I really do."
 
there are enough events to bet on...so i bet one event for one team and the other for the other team...go who ever,lol
 
between super bowl 23 and 39 there have been only two spreads below a touchdown
35 balt -3 vs NYG
37 oak-3 vs TB
2 out of 17
and this spread sits at 3-4
this game is even
by balt won big and TB won big
 
enigma4dub said:
ass_face said:
I think Holmgrem is a better coach than Cowher... but lately Cowher has been very un-Cowher like. I swear, I thought it was Belicheck in a Cowher mask the last two weeks.

True. They have been surprisingly aggressive this postseason. very un-schottenheimeresque. The way they have been setting up the run with the pass has been impressive to say the least.
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they've been playing on a tilted field
they could
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4everhung said:
JIM FASSEL:
Mike Holmgren's friend and college roommate.
From the Miami Herald…
After taking on Pittsburgh's ferocious, zone blitz as the Ravens' offensive coordinator, the former Giants coach is picking the Seahawks to win Super Bowl XL.

"We didn't play real well all season and realistically, we should have beaten them twice," Fassel said by telephone this week. "They didn't hammer us. We should have beaten them twice. I think Seattle's a pretty hard-nosed, athletic group of guys that will match up pretty well."

'They're no different than anybody else. You can run on them if you have a good scheme. But you'd better have a plan in that pass protection," he said. "They do give you a number of looks and if you look at it in its entirety, you say, `Oh, this is confusing.' So you have to go back and make it not confusing to your guys. And that's not hard. You can do that."

'I remember telling our guys this," Fassel said. '`They're going to have some things they hit us with when their timing is right and they've got us in the wrong protection. Just minimize it. Instead of a 10-yard sack, make it a three-yard sack. And for God's sake don't throw it up for grabs.''

Fassel said that Hasselbeck is underrated in terms of his composure. "He doesn't do stupid things with the ball," he said. "Mike's system is pretty sound. They'll throw the ball fairly quick. They don't drop back with a lot of looks. He'll have a plan that will be very basic and his priority will be the quarterback. I think he'll handle the 3-4 pretty well. I really do."
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The Ravens did handle the Zone Blitz pretty well, but since the Steelers play them 2-3 times a year, their o-line is very familiar with it. Seattle won't be. As for Hasslebeck not doing stupid things... not sure what he has been watching. In the Redskins game I saw him do two things not even a rookie QB would do. He got away with it, but he is sort of dumbfuck from what I have seen.

They haven't handled the 3-4 well all year, so I am not sure how all of sudden they are going to handle the best one in football.
 
I think Seattle will come out aggressively on offense.
With all those receivers -- Jackson, Engram, Jurevicious and a 6'7" tight end -- Holmgren can't afford to do the usual handing off to Alexander early and then suddenly look up, find himself down 13-0 because his quarterback would then be swallowed under a siege of Steelers for the rest of the evening. I'm playing the First Quarter and Halftime OVER
 
Deterass said:
That would only work if the payouts are 1/1 .
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oh lol i thought you were talking about beers, hahahaha
no i know that but even so atleast i will still get some thing though
 
4everhung said:
I think Seattle will come out aggressively on offense.
With all those receivers -- Jackson, Engram, Jurevicious and a 6'7" tight end -- Holmgren can't afford to do the usual handing off to Alexander early and then suddenly look up, find himself down 13-0 because his quarterback would then be swallowed under a siege of Steelers for the rest of the evening. I'm playing the First Quarter and Halftime OVER
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I totally agree... I look for them to go deep and try to torch Ike or Deshea. Or at least get a Pass Interference penalty. Seattle has to come out smoking to compete.
 
Boardin087 said:
honestly, its not out of the question, they went 13-3 playing shit teams, i stilll think they would have made playoffs, but there is no way in hell they are the number one or 2 seed int he nfl.
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salary caps have considerably tightened the talnet gap betw top and bottom
there are no fucking "weak" schedules in the NFL
everyone of those players on the field is playing for money,career,pension etc,etc
there is no fucking lay down in this leaque
it's not the NCAA
 
Dunk said:
Fassel picked the Hawks. He says Holmgreen can play call against Pittsburcgh zone blitz.
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Fassel said that Hasselbeck is underrated in terms of his composure. "He doesn't do stupid things with the ball," he said. "Mike's system is pretty sound. They'll throw the ball fairly quick. They don't drop back with a lot of looks. He'll have a plan that will be very basic and his priority will be the quarterback. I think he'll handle the 3-4 pretty well. I really do."
 
ass_face said:
Interesting analysis from another board:

FACT: Pittsburgh lost 5 games while Seattle lost 3. BUT...only 2 with Ben healthy. Maddox lost 2 and they lost to Indy after Ben returned from 4 games off. If Ben were healthy, Steelers beat Jacksonville and Baltimore, finish 13-3, win the north and are probably the #2 seed.

FACT: Steelers ended the season with the 5th ranked Strength of Schedule. Seattle finished with the 30th ranked SOS. Only the Bears and Packers faced teams with fewer wins. Seattle has not beaten a team with a winning record since Nov. 27 (gotta subtract the Colts since they rested most of their team)

FACT: Steelers beat the #1, #2 and #3 seeds....on the road. Seattle beat the #5 and #6 seeds....at home. The Seahawks have not played a team as good as the Steelers all year. The Steelers have beaten two teams in the past two weeks who are arguably both better than the Seahawks.

FACT: Seattle has one victory against a team that went on to win its division. (Colts don't count. They rested most of their starters). Steelers have beaten 3 in the past 3 weeks...and have 5 wins this season against teams who would win their division.

FACT: Shaun Alexander has 40 post season carries.....23 for no game or loss. Now he faces one of the NFL's most overpowering run defenses.

FACT: Steelers have held its last 3 opponets to WELL below their rushing averages. Cincy averaged 119.4 for the year. They got 84 vs. Pitts. Colts averaged 106.4 for the year. They got 58 vs. Pitt. Broncos entered the game with the 2nd ranked rushing offense in the NFL with 158.7 for year. They got 97.

FACT: Steelers have not allowed more than 105 yards rushing in any of its past 7 games....and are allowing only 76.5 yards/game during this 7-0 win streak.

Seattle is a good team, no doubt. But if you want to predict a victory, try doing it with logical facts that are not so easily picked apart!

Seattle has 4 sacks over its past 2 games. Steelers have 12 over its past three. The Steelers front 7 are a much more imposing group. The Seahawks have gone 15-32 on 3rd down conversions over the past 2 games. The key to Seattle's success during the playoffs has been the ability to keep the opponents from converting 3rd downs. Washington and Carolina went a combined 6 for 28. The Steelers have converted 22 of its 41 3rd down conversions. The problem for Seattle is that the Steelers will convert 3rd downs. They have done it regularly during this 7-0 win streak. If Seattle cannot hold the Steelers to 30% or so on 3rd downs (and they don't have the secondary to do this), then they are in a world of trouble. There are FAR more reasons to why the Steelers should win this game than there are why the Seahawks should.
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so fucking what
that's what amatuers do who have little understanding of the game
they get out their calculators and punch numbers
how often do you hear Parcells for example say
"well they have been averaging 106.4 yards per game on the ground and our 88.9 yards per game ground defense can handle that"
 
4everhung said:
salary caps have considerably tightened the talnet gap betw top and bottom
there are no fucking "weak" schedules in the NFL
everyone of those players on the field is playing for money,career,pension etc,etc
there is no fucking lay down in this leaque
it's not the NCAA
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I agree with you to a point, but it certainly helps to not play any division winners and then get 6 games against the Cards. 49ers and a slumping Rams team. Alexander this season got 820 of his yards playing those teams.

Against Dallas, the only good 3-4 they played he had 61. It makes a difference.

The Salary cap has definitely effected depth. I mean, Steve Young sat the freaking bench and everyone knew he was a stud... that will not happen today.
 
4everhung said:
so fucking what
that's what amatuers do who have little understanding of the game
they get out their calculators and punch numbers
how often do you hear Parcells for example say
"well they have been averaging 106.4 yards per game on the ground and our 88.9 yards per game ground defense can handle that"
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I did not write it... just thought it was interesting. "So fucking what" is usually what people say when they have no logical retort or anything intelligent to retort...
;)
 
ass_face said:
I did not write it... just thought it was interesting. "So fucking what" is usually what people say when they have no logical retort or anything intelligent to retort...
;)
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no it means "so fucking what"
and I explained why
a couple of dudes with sliderules and nerd packs punching numbers into a calculator is not handicapping
crank out all the tables and matrix's you want
this game is even
it's very rare for a superbowl to be rated this close(i.e. the spread)
 
I usually don't comment on the games
but I ran my event with a 500000 limit
and it's closed
so I can talk shit now
do you know seattle allows 4.2 sacks/game on the road in a dome?
 
4everhung said:
no it means "so fucking what"
and I explained why
a couple of dudes with sliderules and nerd packs punching numbers into a calculator is not handicapping
crank out all the tables and matrix's you want
this game is even
it's very rare for a superbowl to be rated this close(i.e. the spread)
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I am just fucking with ya... I am not too into the statistical crap either. Honestly, I feel Pittsburgh has just been on a terror and they have momentum. I think it carries through to the Superbowl. Just because the stats seem to support that, is coincidental.
 
Phaded said:
if steelers dont win.. i think i'm gonna mourn for an entire year.
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I am going back to Pittsburgh for the game... I will probably jump off of one of the many bridges to choose from.
 
I'm fairly impartial about both of these teams
as I said I'll take the points as I think this one is a toss up
 
When did the pendulum swing back to the AFC. I used to watch a lot of NFL when the 49ers were dominating and for a few years after. The NFC was way stronger than the AFC.
 
Steelers would be a huge favorite if they went 13-3 or 14-2.

They totally outplayed the #1, #2, and #3 seeds in the strongest conference.

So I have decided that Pittsburgh will likely rout the Hawks.

If the Hawks win however, I shall have to direct you to my earlier posts where I predicted that.

I can not lose.
 
UrlMighty said:
When did the pendulum swing back to the AFC. I used to watch a lot of NFL when the 49ers were dominating and for a few years after. The NFC was way stronger than the AFC.
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go back to ur cave
 
4everhung said:
I usually don't comment on the games
but I ran my event with a 500000 limit
and it's closed
so I can talk shit now
do you know seattle allows 4.2 sacks/game on the road in a dome?
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Even though I do like Seattle, I kind of get enjoyment out of watching Tasselbutt kiss the grass. ;)
 
Thank God the Seahawks, and the NFC for that matter, sucked ass this year. Steelers played a C+ game and still won by 11. I know that people will dispute Ben's TD even though it was clear he broke the plane of the EZ (Would not have mattered they would have pounded it in on 4th down anyway) and the pushing off in the Endzone call was a bit ticky tacky, but 9-10 times that call is made... Really there was no reason for the receiver to push off, he would have made the play anyway... Hope was flatfooted.

Ben played atrocious. He made a few plays when it counted (3rd and 28 pass), but he looked a bit overwhelmed. Good thing he saved his worse for the weakest team they played in the playoffs.
 
ass_face said:
Thank God the Seahawks, and the NFC for that matter, sucked ass this year. Steelers played a C+ game and still won by 11. I know that people will dispute Ben's TD even though it was clear he broke the plane of the EZ (Would not have mattered they would have pounded it in on 4th down anyway) and the pushing off in the Endzone call was a bit ticky tacky, but 9-10 times that call is made... Really there was no reason for the receiver to push off, he would have made the play anyway... Hope was flatfooted.

Ben played atrocious. He made a few plays when it counted (3rd and 28 pass), but he looked a bit overwhelmed. Good thing he saved his worse for the weakest team they played in the playoffs.
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Definately not Pittsburgh's finest hour. But a couple of things I noticed:

1) The Seahawks had speed. Not that I watched any of their games this year, but in the opening series they blew Pittsburgh away.

2) The Seattle offensive pass interference in the endzone was BS

3) Big Ben made a gutsy play on that long pass to Ward at the goal line. I would have had to go back and eat my words about his passing performance - but then he floats a duck from 8 yards out for an interception. Why the heck not give the ball to Bettis to ground and pound it into the endzone?

4) Ben's diving TD, Hasselback's fumble (diving forward) = plays that needed review. Refs made the right calls.


Steelers got real lucky with their performance. Had Seattle got a break on a call (or two) and made a field goal - Pittsburgh is trying to come from behind. And that is not the scenario they would wanted to have been in with their lack of a running game.
 
mekannik said:
Definately not Pittsburgh's finest hour. But a couple of things I noticed:

1) The Seahawks had speed. Not that I watched any of their games this year, but in the opening series they blew Pittsburgh away.

2) The Seattle offensive pass interference in the endzone was BS

3) Big Ben made a gutsy play on that long pass to Ward at the goal line. I would have had to go back and eat my words about his passing performance - but then he floats a duck from 8 yards out for an interception. Why the heck not give the ball to Bettis to ground and pound it into the endzone?

4) Ben's diving TD, Hasselback's fumble (diving forward) = plays that needed review. Refs made the right calls.


Steelers got real lucky with their performance. Had Seattle got a break on a call (or two) and made a field goal - Pittsburgh is trying to come from behind. And that is not the scenario they would wanted to have been in with their lack of a running game.
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The Pushing off was a BS call, but it is one I see called all the time. And he clearly did push off... Really the receiver should have never did it... it was unnescessary.

Great teams make their own luck... They made 3 big offensive plays and Seattle made zero. That was the difference in the game.
 
Phaded said:
ass_face check out some of the steeler forums.. seattle fans are so pathetic they are signing up and whining about how the refs cheated for the steelers.. i've never seen a sadder group of fans in my life..

http://discuss.pittsburghlive.com/viewforum.php?f=2
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Well, what do you expect? Rather than questioning Holmgrem's poor clock management and Hasslebeck's INT thrown into triple coverage... you focus the refs. The Steelers have dealt with poor officiating all year... a good coach readies his players for the worst and prepares them... you can tell Holmgrem was dwelling on it and that attitude permeated the team. You never see Cowher dwelling on that shit during a game.

Either way... this game will be remebered for El's TD pass and Willie's 75 yard run... not poor officiating.
 
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