Is this self defense or murder?

[Beachboy6294]

But did they follow procedure? We must assume so, they always do.

Of course they did or at least thats what they said and we all no police don't lie! lol

I knew some guys that use to go rob other drug dealers and they use to wear black and say they were cops when they kicked in the door so you never no. We have also had people pulling women over with a car that looks like a police with a red light in it and a fake badge saying they were cops and then raped the women.

 

[Stefka]

A montreal man is on trial for murdering a Montreal police officer.
Last March, 2007, Montreal police made a middle of the night suprise attack on a suspected drug dealers house. The cops rushed into this guys house where this man, his wife and 2 kids slept.

The man who thought he was being robbed got his gun and shot at the cop who came busting into the room shooting. Suspected drug dealer kills cop.

He's on trial and the jury is out as of last weekend. They can either convict of 1st degree murder, 2nd degree or aquit under the self defense law.

If this guy is convicted of murder, I know the justice system is seriously faulty!


Discuss...........

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=562799


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...10/parasiris_trial_080610/20080610?hub=Canada

Something like this happened in Texas like 30 years ago. A college student/small time pot dealer got robbed. He went out and bought a gun. A couple of weeks later his house was raided by Texas Rangers. They didn't identify themselves as cops and he thought he was being robbed again. So he pulled out his gun and shot one of the guys. The Ranger died. The kid swore he didnt know they were police. And technically it was self defense, as in Texas you can totally kill people who break into your house. But a simple "I'm sorry I thought I was being robbed" didnt work for the kid. He is still in jail. He's lucky he didnt get the the death penalty. Poor kid.

 

[digimon7068]

I think that it is self-defense. But it depends on the whole story though. Is that the assumption of the cops. Did he surrender once he realized they were cops. All that plays into affect. Im sorry if it says that in the story, I don't have time to read it. I don't even have time to be on here.

agreed. . .agreed. . .

 

[big_bad_buff]

But did they follow procedure? We must assume so, they always do.

lmao

 

[blueta2]

Something like this happened in Texas like 30 years ago. A college student/small time pot dealer got robbed. He went out and bought a gun. A couple of weeks later his house was raided by Texas Rangers. They didn't identify themselves as cops and he thought he was being robbed again. So he pulled out his gun and shot one of the guys. The Ranger died. The kid swore he didnt know they were police. And technically it was self defense, as in Texas you can totally kill people who break into your house. But a simple "I'm sorry I thought I was being robbed" didnt work for the kid. He is still in jail. He's lucky he didnt get the the death penalty. Poor kid.

that is TOTAL BS!
Poor kid is right. Sounds like the jury was on crack to convict him

 

[Beachboy6294]

that is TOTAL BS!
Poor kid is right. Sounds like the jury was on crack to convict him

You don't ever kill a Texas Ranger!

 

[gonelifting]

Something like this happened in Texas like 30 years ago. A college student/small time pot dealer got robbed. He went out and bought a gun. A couple of weeks later his house was raided by Texas Rangers. They didn't identify themselves as cops and he thought he was being robbed again. So he pulled out his gun and shot one of the guys. The Ranger died. The kid swore he didnt know they were police. And technically it was self defense, as in Texas you can totally kill people who break into your house. But a simple "I'm sorry I thought I was being robbed" didnt work for the kid. He is still in jail. He's lucky he didnt get the the death penalty. Poor kid.

^^^THIS is self defense.

The other story... ummm, you can't kill a cop, even if he's in your house... and at night... AND you're sleeping. lol

 

[blueta2]

^^^THIS is self defense.

The other story... ummm, you can't kill a cop, even if he's in your house... and at night... AND you're sleeping. lol

Disagree. It was self defense. I don't believe ANYONE has a right to barge into a home in the middle of the night unless they find a fugative and need to suprise him.
This dude is a biz man and could be busted anytime of day

 

[gonelifting]

Disagree. It was self defense. I don't believe ANYONE has a right to barge into a home in the middle of the night unless they find a fugative and need to suprise him.
This dude is a biz man and could be busted anytime of day

That's nice that you don't believe that. When they change THE LAW, then you'll be correct in your belief and have a point in the eyes of the law. As it is now, it IS right for them to barge in etc... They had a warrant.

Where is the confusion? Let's not think with our emotions here, people.

I'm gonna FUCK EVERYONE IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW!

 

[blueta2]

That's nice that you don't believe that. When they change THE LAW, then you'll be correct in your belief and have a point in the eyes of the law. As it is now, it IS right for them to barge in etc... They had a warrant.

Where is the confusion? Let's not think with our emotions here, people.

I'm gonna FUCK EVERYONE IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW!

I'm not into anal