Is this self defense or murder?

[heatherrae]

I think that it isn't self defense, and here is why:

When you deal drugs out of your home and late at night you here a bunch of men break in and yell "police" your first thoughts should be that you are getting busted, not that there is a home invasion. Come on people, let's get real.

Secondly, from a public policy standpoint, we don't want police to have to announce themselves and risk death/injury or risk destruction of evidence.

 

[heavy_duty]

A montreal man is on trial for murdering a Montreal police officer.
Last March, 2007, Montreal police made a middle of the night suprise attack on a suspected drug dealers house. The cops rushed into this guys house where this man, his wife and 2 kids slept.

The man who thought he was being robbed got his gun and shot at the cop who came busting into the room shooting. Suspected drug dealer kills cop.

He's on trial and the jury is out as of last weekend. They can either convict of 1st degree murder, 2nd degree or aquit under the self defense law.

If this guy is convicted of murder, I know the justice system is seriously faulty!


Discuss...........

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=562799


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...10/parasiris_trial_080610/20080610?hub=Canada

NO way it can be 1st degree.

 

[vixensghost]

G, question, is this guy any different than a guy who drinks in front of his kids every night? What if a guy is selling illegal booze out his house and his kids know his deal. Is that just as wrong?

You are asking the wrong person on this one since I'm sooo very biased on the subject.

I see the effects of booze and drugs in the families while at the shelter. I have little compassion for anyone addicted to legal or illegal drugs when innocent kids are involved. You wanna f*ck up your life, do it without your kids seeing it and suffering thru your demons with ya!


Anything can be a drug if it rules your life and makes you so stupid you can't see it's wrecking you and your family along the way.

 

[blueta2]

You are asking the wrong person on this one since I'm sooo very biased on the subject.

I see the effects of booze and drugs in the families while at the shelter. I have little compassion for anyone addicted to legal or illegal drugs when innocent kids are involved. You wanna f*ck up your life, do it without your kids seeing it and suffering thru your demons with ya!


Anything can be a drug if it rules your life and makes you so stupid you can't see it's wrecking you and your family along the way.

I agree, it's sad what some kids in life have to go through.
Many addictions are a mental health issue and need to be treated in order for the addict and their loved ones to have any chance at survival.

Even parents who don't have addictions suffer the demons of their parents. Whether it be drugs, greed, anger, anxiety etc.
It's unavoidable

 

[blueta2]

NO way it can be 1st degree.

I hope not, that would give the cops even more abusive power.

 

[blueta2]

I think that it isn't self defense, and here is why:

When you deal drugs out of your home and late at night you here a bunch of men break in and yell "police" your first thoughts should be that you are getting busted, not that there is a home invasion. Come on people, let's get real.

Secondly, from a public policy standpoint, we don't want police to have to announce themselves and risk death/injury or risk destruction of evidence.

Normally, I would agree, but this guy and his wife were so out of it and I know there are times when I am FAST asleep and won't even hear a thunderstorm.
Also, in the last year, here in the city, there have been a strong of home invasions. So this dude thought he was being robbed

 

[velvett]

1) Police officers who testified say they repeatedly yelled "police" as they ran up the stairs towards Parasiris's bedroom. This legally puts him on notice that his house is being raided. Shooting after this is no justifiable.

Assuming that is true, they need to cover their asses just like the other guy (police lie too). The judge also found the tactics of the cops to be incomprehensible and unjustifiable.

2) The defendant contradicted himself in his testimony.

3) Only one gun in the defendants possession was legal.

From my experience, criminals always contradict themselves. They make up a story and cannot stick to it. That is a major common mistake they made..

Some cops make the same mistakes as criminals and they stick to together no matter what (just like doctors) or risk being alienated.

I don't doubt the guy is a drug dealer, he'll get time for the multiple illegal gun possession charges but I do not think the manner of which the police chose to go after him was a very wise one and cost a man his life.

 

[blueta2]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/05/29/qc-anotherinvasion20060529.html

this was the same part of town this guy lived in. It was a yr before, but it's been crazy here with all the home invasions

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=379a042e-41c4-4ca7-891f-b0d812300ab9

 

[blueta2]

Some cops make the same mistakes as criminals and they stick to together no matter what (just like doctors) or risk being alienated.

I don't doubt the guy is a drug dealer, he'll get time for the multiple illegal gun possession charges but I do not think the manner of which the police chose to go after him was a very wise one and cost a man his life.

totally agree, The cops maybe watched too many cop shows and wanted to be heros.
They could have busted this guy in a less dramatic fashion.

 

[pappad]

Self-Defense!