Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below The reason why I ask is some very big guys claim to b all natural but I just don't see how ? ( ex. Mike Ohearn) dudes massive and swears hes all natural but its so hard to believe? maybe im just jaded cause juice is so prevalent on the pros circuit..... just wondering what your opinions are?
is it possible to be natural on the Olyp stage?
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No, anyone on a Olympia stage is not natural.
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ALIN
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NO,,its simply not possible to compete on that level with others who are on a boat load of PED's
they claim to be natural because that is what they have to do for marketing and legal reasons. just like how Michael Jordan claims to eat mcdonalds and Peyton Manning eats papa johns plastic cheese and fake sauce pizza. welcome to marketing 101, advertisement industry is a multi billion dollar business and people look up to these athletes so whatever they claim is gonna be followed. look at what zyzz did, now every 17 year old wants to run clen because of that guy, he even had his own protein brand before he died lol at 19/20. cheap whey in a tub costs 20 bucks at walmart but kids bought his cause he endorsed it
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The chances of a natural Mr. Olympia are 0.00% 
northernknight
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The chances of a natural Mr. Olympia are 0.00%
I think you are overestimating here a bit bro, lol!
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northernknight
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Hate to break it to you, but that's how world works...
If someone actually believes that equality exists in today's modern society, they are being incredibly naive, and/or successfully brainwashed. Laws have never been, and will never be same to everyone. There will always be certain people who are above the law, until some major changes in society happen.
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the feds go after the dealers, unless you are dumb enough to get caught with them on a traffic stop or something crazy .. and even in that case i doubt a regular cop would do anything except write you up a summons and let you go unless he felt like you were dealing
the DEA goes after gangs, cartels and stuff like that... they never wanted to have steroids considered illegal in the first place.
also they get a lot of juice from docs so they have a script for much of it.
as far as the legality as long as these idiot athletes keep getting busted and be considered cheaters (don't get caught dummies!! ever hear of suspension??!!) and its all over the news and then you have idiot kids in high school juicing (which i personally have a problem with) there is gonna be a legality issue.
now if Jay Cutler were to get busted for it then could you imagine the outrage? however bodybuilding isn't followed very much by ESPN or whatever. unlike MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. every time someone in baseball gets busted its made into such a big deal. when you tell a sports fan Jay Cutler they are thinking about the QB for the bears, not a bodybuilder
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You have to be a complete idiot to get busted for using gear if you arent a Major Pro Sports player. Even if you are "distributing" it would be pretty hard to get busted unless you are running a major operation.
I dont see how a one man operation could move the volume required to get on anyones radar.
I dont see how a one man operation could move the volume required to get on anyones radar.
Steve is absolutely correct in saying that everyone on even the local stage is juiced up. That's why they have natty tested shows. If you look at them guys, they are tiny compared to untested shows. Funny part is that a lot of them run juice in the off season and go into a show natty, so many of them aren't really "natty" and you only get tested if you place.
so the Olympia.....well, they are juiced beyond comprehension at that level...LOL
so the Olympia.....well, they are juiced beyond comprehension at that level...LOL
If all you took were steroids you still wouldnt step foot on the Olympia stage. Steroids are just the starting point for even considering going pro. HGH, Slin, T3, DNP, etc are all mandatory in addition to roids. Im sure Im missing many other compounds that are needed at the bare minimum
Yep, and diuretics, synthol, and the rest of the kitchen sink
Im glad this Is the reaction I received cause I know the answer but its funny on Instagram if anyone makes a a comment to Mike Ohearn about him juicing he goes off on a rant talking about its all hard and heavy lifting and pushes Magnum Pharma pills.Im 41 and been in the game for a while but its just funny to me how someone posting vids of him beside pros and looks just as big claims hes 100% natural ?
Mike Ohearn looks awesome. Lots of mass. Extremely strong. But yeah....he is the poster child for hypocrite asshole. He may very well just be running TRT nowadays allowing him to maintain size. But he sure as shit didn't get there without pharmaceutical assistance.
remember the old American Gladiators (i know you younger guys have no clue what i'm talking about)... it was normal joe schmo 5 10 185 pounders going up against juiced up guys and they would get obliterated in almost every match that required strength and not agility.
what separated those guys from the gladiators? back then for sure it was steroids.. but it was also the fact the normal schmo had real jobs. they were paramedics, firefighters, cops, accountants, etc. vs. the gladiators who spent their days just focusing on training and eating.
what separated those guys from the gladiators? back then for sure it was steroids.. but it was also the fact the normal schmo had real jobs. they were paramedics, firefighters, cops, accountants, etc. vs. the gladiators who spent their days just focusing on training and eating.
I liked the course when they would shoot them with tennis balls out of a gun lol
When he called himself Mike O'dell......lololol
well how does he look for shooting up 1250 test in one day?
the guy I remember is Nitro, dude was a cocky prick but it was awesome..
I used to watch the shit out of that show. Was pretty awesome back in the day
yeah that was him.
northernknight
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That show was really awesome! There's probably still video tapes that I recorded it to as a kid somewhere at my parents house, lol! The 'Merican gladiators was so successful here that some local producers actually bought the concept of it (what do you call it... platform or something...), and translated & transformed the whole thing here, and started to run the show with local competitors and gladiators. That became a huge p) success here for quite a while, and of course it was great to see gladiators from Finland as a kid. Local juice heads were just as huge as the 'Merican ones, lol! Although they actually might have "rented" a few of them from US to use in some episodes, or at least some of them had exact same "nanes". I'm almost certain that Nitro, Turbo, Viking etc. were in both versions.
Seems like Finns really love this type of American entertainment, WWF type wrestling has always been very popular here, and got real hugep) in past decade or so. There's a lot more examples, but I don't want to start doing a complete comparative analysis yet, it's way too early for that sort of stuff.
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p) success here for quite a while, and of course it was great to see gladiators from Finland as a kid. Local juice heads were just as huge as the 'Merican ones, lol! Although they actually might have "rented" a few of them from US to use in some episodes, or at least some of them had exact same "nanes". I'm almost certain that Nitro, Turbo, Viking etc. were in both versions. Seems like Finns really love this type of American entertainment, WWF type wrestling has always been very popular here, and got real huge
p) in past decade or so. There's a lot more examples, but I don't want to start doing a complete comparative analysis yet, it's way too early for that sort of stuff. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4
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Evan Tipps
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Ronnie Coleman 1990, 1/2 - YouTube
Ronnie when he was natural.. He still looked incredible. Better than 95% of juicers. But still there he is in no shape to step up on the Olympia
Ronnie when he was natural.. He still looked incredible. Better than 95% of juicers. But still there he is in no shape to step up on the Olympia
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He was actually light there, I think around 190. He got his procard in the 180s or 190s, and put on 30lbs in his first off season after placing horrible in his first pro sho. Fresh receptors and good genetics allowed that.
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Wasn't Mike Ashley natural back in the day?
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Doesn't mean he didn't juice to get to 180-190 either. I'm pretty sure Ronnie used more than creatine before that video
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Evan Tipps
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Ronnie Coleman ? His Rise to the Top ? and How He Stayed There!
A guy with his genetics would not have to juice to be 180-190. Read up on that article some..
Would he have to juice to be 180-190 no. Was he juicing to be 180-190 looking like that, yes.
Idobehigh
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That's what I am thinking also, just because someone says they are natural doesn't mean shit. All of Ronnie's videos he says thank god for pure natural strength. He was juicing before anyone knew who he was, unfortunately that's what this sport calls for now.
But Evan you are right about genetics part I'm not taking anything from Ronnie we all could run the same shit as him, the same workout program, and his diet and 90% of us won't even come close to what he looked like.
any person I don't care what their weight is who is holding more muscle on their frame then what they can naturally support is on male hormones. its 100% the case. obviously yes it also takes genetics, diet and hard work to get there.
you can run BUN bloods and see it. guys that have too much muscle will come in hot on that number... don't anyone ever tell you otherwise.
PS. i tell people i'm natty too. but those that i run into that have history in fitness know I'm not and give me the wink. its really no ones business that i juice. 1 needle a week doesn't do shit for you if you don't spend hours in the gym a week.
you can run BUN bloods and see it. guys that have too much muscle will come in hot on that number... don't anyone ever tell you otherwise.
PS. i tell people i'm natty too. but those that i run into that have history in fitness know I'm not and give me the wink. its really no ones business that i juice. 1 needle a week doesn't do shit for you if you don't spend hours in the gym a week.
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He didnt say he was natural. Im saying he was because he put on 30 pounds of MUSCLE in one off season. Im not talking about how people on here put on "30 pounds" with a cycle. Im saying 30 pounds to his contest weight. It was easy to see how his physique changed from hormones in one off season. If he competed at his prime in the 270s you really think he had to fucking juice to be a not as lean 180?...
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Evan Tipps
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You guys are missing my point. The point is the best bodybuilder who has stepped foot on the Olympia couldnt place at the Olympia without drugs.
Idobehigh
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You just said Ronnie when he was natural. That's what we are referring to he wasn't natural.
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Evan Tipps
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Yes I'm saying he was natural in that video
Moral of it all: Juice to get on a stage and make no money from it.
No, he just went from using average doses (before that video) to astronomical doses (after not placing high enough at the pro level) more than likely.
If he was natural in that video, half of us or better at EF are all natty too...lol
These pros don't just start juicing when they are at their genetic limit, that's a ridiculous idea. They start juice just like everyone else. They obviously know how to train and eat, and have the best genetics on the planet, but let's not forget the fact that they run ridiculous amounts of gear. I'm sure they all started at a smaller dose like everyone else and ramped up as they went
I really don't follow the sport of bodybuilding anyway. really as I've gotten older I've gotten turned off by all sports watching.. i much rather play them than watch them on tv and even worse in person dealing with the crowds and drunks.
when i was an endurance athlete i racked up a ton of plaques and trophies... when i was a powerlifter I racked up more plaques. but yeah there is no money in it, which is why i don't have a screaming desire to go on stage. I love lifting and being a gym rat. i don't have to wear a piece of underwear and get on stage with people in the audience to make myself happy
i bet these fitness guru's on youtube make 10X more money off their marketing and supplement sales than bodybuilders who actually live the part. the ones that actually make money just sell their souls anyway to magazines, supplements, and endorsing a tub of crap
Idobehigh
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Everyone says there is no money in bodybuilding, but look at Phil Heath and jay cutler they are well off Phil drives a Bentley and has 2 or 3 how do they get this money? Is it from sponsorships and sales? If so then technically there is money in it just not specifically bodybuilding
at their level they get endorsements
it takes a lot to get there though. if you ask people who Jay Cutler is they will probably think you are talking about the Bears QB. Phil Heath? did he invent Heath bars?
obviously someone successful at other sports are gonna be much more well known hence the money isn't as good
When you look at phil Heath's cars, house ect.... I really hope he invested a bunch of his money smartly because as we know the money from Top BB'ing endorsements and olypia winnings ect... will NOT last forever. He will always be Mr olympia just like Jay and Ronnie and everyone else and will always get paid for appearances, lectures ect... But sooner or later (barring an acting career) It WILL go from being on the Olympia stage and major endorsement deals and sponsors to Sitting behind a table at a fitness expo signing autographed pictures of when he was way bigger and better for $20 a pop.
Exactly. Even if it did happen...it never lasts very long. Couple years tops and the pinnacle of any sport is the best anyone can hope for if they ever made it that far.
But the masses only see the Mannings, Jeters, Favres, and Kobes on TV. They dont see all the draft picks after the 3rd round and career lasts 3 years, whose numbers are legion
That is the grande idiocy of it all. People are fucking stupid and dillusional. Mostly thanks to mass media.
I wanted to play college football. lol...at 18 I was 6'0" and 175. Quick first 5 yards but slow overall. No gym to speak of at that point. I was dillusional. I had no shot. Ever. My parents said we love you...go do your best. That doesnt get you anywhere.
My kid on the other hand is a fucking giant already. 5'10" and 192 after just turning 12 7 weeks ago. 600+ lb leg press. 25" quads and 14.25" biceps. He hasnt even hit his first puberty growth spurt yet. My foot has been planted firmly in his ass the last 4 years. last year has been diet, training, sleep....grinding the lifestyle into him. Genetically speaking he will be 6'5"-6'6" and 300 lb-ish at age 18(even without AAS). He actually has a shot at D1 and beyond. I will make sure it is not wasted.
I agree with this to a large degree. If you go into competitive bodybuilding, you sure as hell don't do it for the money...because 99.9% will be broke.
For some of us, the stage isn't about any of that. Its very hard to define without having actually gone through it, but anyone that has competed knows what i mean. Its addictive as hell, and being on that stage is the best high I've ever felt. Its also a great motivator, trying to get to an even bigger and more conditioned physique the next time. I'm more than happy just competing at the amateur level, and not placing doesn't affect me as much as some others let it get to them. As long as I best myself each year, that's the goal. I fucking love the stage
Damn dude, you sound a little rough on your kid, hes only 12? And youve been grinding his ass since he was 8 with diet and training? Sounds like youre setting him up for burnout and resentment later on. Just my opinion but let kids be kids and they will figure out what they want to do athletically speaking. If its meant to be then it is, if not then you wont have a kid that hates you later in life, or burned out at high school.
You only get one childhood rob
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Evan Tipps
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+1. Kid at my school his dad was like that and it ended up where he didnt care about football in the end. He was fucking good too. His dad pushed him in everyworkout/training session and eventually that shit will get old to the kid
Idobehigh
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Just do your thing glad I know a kid that had his dad and mom ride his ass since 7th grade we played mighty mite then peewee football together he played at my school then ended up getting a full ride to a d1 college and his parents is just like yours no party no junk food weight room in there garage all the kid knew was training and busting his ass off. I think it works both ways either the kid will hate it or love it
He has been going to the gym with me since he was 9 to learn how to act and not to act ect. Just hanging out. At 10 I let him do little stuff, lots of empty bar shit to learn form and safety. Last year I had him doing a bunch more stuff. This past off season he has been going and doing as much as he can between growth spurts. when his joints get sore from a growth spurt I dont let him do anything.
He decided to give up all sports a couple years ago to focus on just football. HE wants to play pro ball..and he actually has a shot genetically. Therefore he is getting a head start years before anyone else with diet, life, training ect. He eats to grow bro. I dont have him on a cutter or anythhing. Strictness for diet as it pertains to him at his point just means he needs to eat 5 or 6 times a day. I let him have plenty of junk food. I just dont let him be 99% of everyone else and sit in front of the tv shoveling ice cream and chips 24/7 being a lazy piece of typical american populous garbage. He thinks fat people are disgusting. Example, His school lunch is 7-8 oz of chicken breast chopped up with his choice of what he wants on it. Some rice, a snack or two and water. The water is HIS choice. He has a huge breakfats and also has a shake with him for pre football practice.
He gets to do plenty of kid things. He gets to have lots of fun. He trains when its time to train and bust his balls. Then he gets to do whatever he wants. Im not an ogre bro. I am an asshole when its time to train. its business. When we are done we are done. I have given him countless lectures and talks to make sure he knows the difference between the way I act during training and that any motivational yelling and screaming is for his own benefit. he knows that. he's a good natured kid. His humor, understanding and intelligence is a few years beyond his actual age. I tell him when he gets annoyed with me making him do another set or whatever,,,, "well your either going to thank me when you get your signing bonus and realize why I was so rough on you or your going to hate my ass" towhich he smiles and says whatever dad, I wont hate you.
He has seen me live the life style since he was born so its not like its culture shock to him either. When I'm not injured, he is actually been my training partner this last 8 months or so. He loves it when I can train with him.
The days of a natural pro are over in BBing
Look at the difference in the last 5 year's Mr O and those 25+ years ago. They don't even look like the same species
Look at the difference in the last 5 year's Mr O and those 25+ years ago. They don't even look like the same species
I grew up playing ball with buster posey. his dad beat baseball into his head from little league all the way through high school and college. he didnt live the life of a typical high schooler and now he's not your typical 26 year old, being worth $170 mil.
a lot of kids do burn out, but for the ones who want it, it works
I played HS football with J. Charles, and he wasn't the best RB on the team. Another kid you'll never hear of blew Charles away in every aspect of the game, but his parents didn't give a fuck how good he was. He almost never had a ride to/from 2-a-days during the summer, and in fact our whole junior year he had to live with another player because his parents wouldn't keep jobs and got evicted from their shithole apartment.
He quit football to get a job so that he had food to eat and clothes.
Charles got the starting job, UT full ride, and is now a pro-bowler. Charles also got told on a regular basis at home if he didn't get good grades and give 100% on the field he'd get yanked before the coach ever got a chance to warn him
j charles is a bad dude.
also, ronnie coleman could've been natural in that video, imo. there's some absolute freak athletes out there. south carolina's clowney could probably trim down and step on stage all natural and beat most juicers
that's not to say that anyone near the olympia level bodybuilding is natural. I just think most of the genetically gifted athletes tend to follow the more mainstream sports like football rather than BBing
also, ronnie coleman could've been natural in that video, imo. there's some absolute freak athletes out there. south carolina's clowney could probably trim down and step on stage all natural and beat most juicers
that's not to say that anyone near the olympia level bodybuilding is natural. I just think most of the genetically gifted athletes tend to follow the more mainstream sports like football rather than BBing
Look at Cushing for the Texans. And Manning's old center Saturday has trimmed down to a fuckin jacked and tan 235 dude looks like a beast
Both of those guys are clean and could easily adjust diet/training and walk on stage
Both of those guys are clean and could easily adjust diet/training and walk on stage
Thats another aspect too. My kid has been an honor student since they started keeping track of that shit in 4th grade. He loses priveledges for anything below a 90 on his report card. He knows its for a good cause plus he doesnt want to work at walmart when he grows up.
Charles is a bad mother fucker btw.
Wtf use is all that talent if you're an uneducated fuckin waste?
And yes, Charles is a very bad dude. Never seen a human body change direction that fast and in 3 steps be at full speed. Freaky.
And yes, Charles is a very bad dude. Never seen a human body change direction that fast and in 3 steps be at full speed. Freaky.
I say you are doing a very good thing bro. Look at how the average American raises their children on TV, video games, and fast food, and see how that sets them up for life. Most kids nowadays are set up for disaster from the start because of how they are raised, which sets them up to live that lifestyle the rest of their lives, and carrying it on down to their children....and the cycle continues. That's how our society has gotten so fat and out of shape.
If more people would influence their children's lives like this, we would put a serious dent in our obesity epidemic. I say congratulations on being a positive influence and not a negative one. It sounds like you are supporting him in all of his decisions and helping to guide him without pushing him into anything he doesn't want to do.
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Cushing is one of my favorite players. I've had my son study his highlight reels. But he's not all natural.
El Hefe
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It's hard keeping these kids on track. Like BTC, I train with my 9 year old son and try to teach him as much as I can and instill good, long lasting habits.
But at his age, as smart as he is (QB, pitcher, Shortstop, boxer, etc), sometimes they lack the capacity, endurance, aggression, hormones, etc. to maintain such a program.
So I've reached the point where it's voluntary now because I want him to enjoy it and not get burnt out. If he wants to train, great. If not, he can take as many days off until he comes to me ready to do business.
I'm not sure exactly what the best approach is. I'll let y'all know in 10 years.
But at his age, as smart as he is (QB, pitcher, Shortstop, boxer, etc), sometimes they lack the capacity, endurance, aggression, hormones, etc. to maintain such a program.
So I've reached the point where it's voluntary now because I want him to enjoy it and not get burnt out. If he wants to train, great. If not, he can take as many days off until he comes to me ready to do business.
I'm not sure exactly what the best approach is. I'll let y'all know in 10 years.
Find some video of Cushing at the combine....holy shit did he have long floppy pancake tits from real bad gyno. Right out of high school too. He was running and it was flopping up and down.
He gets to play xbox. Its my xbox though and its in the living room NOT his room. Hell I'm a big gamer, and he is too. But the key is not to let it ruin his life. If I see him starting to get a little too obsessed with it from time to time I start copping a real attitude and bring him back to reality.
Fast food is a big no-no at my house. No fast food period. We get Chinese maybe once every 2 months and pig out but really that's about it.
Yes I'm a little bit on the hard ass side but that's just to keep him focused. I preach to him to find passion and drive in what he does. Don't just go through the motions. Never do something you're told because you're told...always ask why. Question everything.
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