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Is homosexuality a choice or not?

exotic_island_girl

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This subject has come up quite a bit in political and religious dicussions.
It has been suggested by scientists that 10% of people are gay whether they know/admit it or not.
 
not a conscious one, no, but i do not believe its genetic, although genetic factors can play a role (testosterone levels, etc)
 
Scientists thought it was genetics a few years ago
They no longer do

It's all about personal choice and environment
 
I think you're born that way for the most part. I have two friends that I grew up with that have been gay their whole life. We had GI Joe's and Transformers, they had Ken dolls and Strawberry Shortcake dolls. We'd play football, they're playing double-dutch with the girls. Wasn't much of a surprise when they came out.
 
no, for some it may seem like it but for many others why would they choose to have gone through all the BS with their families, friends, etc?

My aunt had severe depression and became an alchoholic bc of it, she still won't tell my grandparents about it do to my grandpa being a strict catholic and what not and she's 40
 
Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture.


I would never understand why people turn gay or lesbian. But yet I respect them.
 
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I didn't really mean like a casual choice. I think some people have feelings inside them (gay or anything else) and don't think much of it, and later in life they feel the complete opposite. Others decide to explore that feeling, and make it a part of their life.
I'm no expert, and I honestly haven't thought about it a whole lot. It's really not a subject I have a solid opinion on
 
I think for the most part it is not by choice. I think many were sexually abused by the opposite sex, as children. I think they lost trust. Others I think were born that way. I think bi-sexuality is by choice.
 
daisyduke6 said:
Well why would AAP turn gay after college. Where is he. he might be able to help
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Might be that's when he decided to pursue that lifestyle. Some people go goth or become white homeboys or turn ultra-religious at different times in their lives.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying, "You're definitely not born that way!!!". I just need to see a lot more info before I could say "you are".
 
i already made a thread on homophobia

why the hell would u even waste ur time trying to figure out something that affects you 0%
 
Can't find the other threads relating to this.
In a recent scientific magazine they determined that in some animals that show a large percentage of homosexual behaviour there is a part of the brain that does not match hetero brains. This difference was also found in human brains of known homosexuals post mortem.
Dr. Kinsey believed that all humans can be rated on a scale from 100% homo to 100% hetero. He said the vast majority of people fall somewhere in the middle. He used a scale of from one to six. I wouold refine the scale to 1-10, or 1-20.
I know a gay man who tried to be straight all the way through high school. His last girlfriend is his best friend now, and he has accepted his identity. The people you refer to don't turn gay. Either they are finally accepting their true self, or they are experimenting, trying to find their spot in the middle of the scale I mentioned.
 
Think about a hot dude and if you get a boner you're gay. No choice.
 
I think that there are a small number who are born that way. Just like I think that there are a small number of people are born violent. Most of them choose that way.
 
interesting thread...why do you think society accepts women moreover being lesbian, then men being gay?...or do you think that is not even a factor at all...meaning this: most men and alot of women think two women having sex is a turn on- such to the point of most porn sites being in favor of lesbian activity....but the thought of two men being in this act is not a "majority rule"....thoughts???
 
exotic_island_girl said:
Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture.


I would never understand why people turn gay or lesbian. But yet I respect them.
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Yeah, they'll change their data later as they usually do. I seriously doubt that 10% of the population is gay.
 
PBR said:
interesting thread...why do you think society accepts women moreover being lesbian, then men being gay?...or do you think that is not even a factor at all...meaning this: most men and alot of women think two women having sex is a turn on- such to the point of most porn sites being in favor of lesbian activity....but the thought of two men being in this act is not a "majority rule"....thoughts???
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a) I read that there's something nurturing about it.
b) Porn is driven by men. Hence, two women is more of a turn on then two men.
c) Wait until the gays catch up. Then two men will be more accepted.
 
I don't know if it's wired into a person's DNA but I also don't think it's a conscious choice. I don't think anything that sexually arouses a person is a conscious choice. Some women I look at and think they're hot. I can't explain why, I just feel attracted to them. Other guys may look at the same woman and not feel the least bit excited.

A good example is that I think Danica Patrick (chick that drives a race car) is a major hottie. However, most guys on this board don't seem to see her as anything other than average.

Anyway, if a person is turned on by it and everything is consentual, then do whatever feels right (but be responsible).
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
I don't know if it's wired into a person's DNA but I also don't think it's a conscious choice. I don't think anything that sexually arouses a person is a conscious choice. Some women I look at and think they're hot. I can't explain why, I just feel attracted to them. Other guys may look at the same woman and not feel the least bit excited.

A good example is that I think Danica Patrick (chick that drives a race car) is a major hottie. However, most guys on this board don't seem to see her as anything other than average.

Anyway, if a person is turned on by it and everything is consentual, then do whatever feels right (but be responsible).
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Hmm. She's a hottie? You MUST be gay.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Think about a hot dude and if you get a boner you're gay. No choice.
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LMAO

Funny and simple but true. It is not a choice. If you think it is than you are wrong.

I don't know it's exact cause, but the most likly explaination is that it has to do with the way the certain parts of the brain devolupe before birth. Of course there are still many factors and some people who devolupe as bisexuals might be able to go all over the place.

The way the brain works on such matters is not very well understood by anyone and probably will not be for some time.
 
Tiervexx said:
LMAO

Funny and simple but true. It is not a choice. If you think it is than you are wrong.

I don't know it's exact cause, but the most likly explaination is that it has to do with the way the certain parts of the brain devolupe before birth.
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I don't think it's a choice either. I knew my brother was gay before if did...Probably confused.

I've also seen the torment gay people go through by supporting. You would not believe how cruel people can be. Heck, even on elite I've gotten karma wishing my brother was DEAD. I stood by him when my Father and his wife disowned him. He deals with that kind of stuff daily. I've seen what his friends go through. No one would choose that road unless the were simply trying to be what they are.

Too much freaking judgemental hate in the world.
 
Tiervexx said:
LMAO

Funny and simple but true. It is not a choice. If you think it is than you are wrong.

I don't know it's exact cause, but the most likly explaination is that it has to do with the way the certain parts of the brain devolupe before birth. Of course there are still many factors and some people who devolupe as bisexuals might be able to go all over the place.

The way the brain works on such matters is not very well understood by anyone and probably will not be for some time.
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i wonder if spelling develop as "develupe" is based on brain develupement as well ;)
 
starfish said:
I don't think it's a choice either. I knew my brother was gay before if did...Probably confused.

I've also seen the torment gay people go through by supporting. You would not believe how cruel people can be. Heck, even on elite I've gotten karma wishing my brother was DEAD. I stood by him when my Father and his wife disowned him. He deals with that kind of stuff daily. I've seen what his friends go through. No one would choose that road unless the were simply trying to be what they are.

Too much freaking judgemental hate in the world.
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LOL!!!

who wished ur brother dead through an EF k msg?

i think thats a job for the bomb sqwuaaid!


yeah, i agree this world is too hard on people who are different. who in their right mind would CHOSE a path that is different? people try so hard to fit in, that it just doesnt make logical sense for so many people to want to go against the norm. its such an issue that alot of gays try and hide their identity and stuff.

maybe its a choice to live the lifestyle... but the attraction and feelings are not a choice. shit, maybe there is a chemical deficiency in gay people's brains, but it still doesnt make them wrong. it is true feelings and attractions.

IMO the people who say its a choice, are gay themselves and just CHOSE not to live that lifestyle.

i for one know i dont have homosexual feelings, so its not a choice for me ot be straight. its what i am, and how i feel.

also the world is weird, like even gay and faggot is such a common phrase that many people grow up sayin git...im guilty on that, i call people homos, fags, say stuff is gay, all the time. (not that im proud or disproud of it, just stating hwo common it is) so it must be hard ot be gay, furthering that people wouldnt choose to undergo such abuse and harshness.

but IMO words are words, so getting mad at saying gay is gay (unless its used to a gay person as a means of making them feel bad about who they are)


thats my long opinion
 
Personally I think it's a choice....

As far as birth, the only logical scientific argument that I think can be made is this:

I've heard that the fetus is w/o sex for the first few weeks...it then gets a dose of hormones (test I think) and that determines M or F....seems reasonable that a fetus with a smaller dose of these hormones could be different.

Do homosexual males have LESS testosterone and homosexual females more?
 
I don't think being gay is a choice. I also don't think its genetic. Their have been studies of identical twins where one is straight and the other is gay.

I believe it happens very early in the development process. Probably between 0 - 5 years of age. People process information in sucha way that they find the same sex more appealing. The theory on fetish formation is similar. A man can associate feet with sexual excitement and gradification with events that happened in his childhood.

Why? who the fuck knows, maybe his ma wears some kick ass stripper boots and he always heard she loved him while looking at some nice manicured feet. The next thing u know he like woman with tight feet.

The only choice is if act on it or not. If u like dudes and have never messed around with one, guess what? your gay. :rainbow:

How can u tell if your gay or not? well if your getting back doored and u have an erection your gay. :)

~WondErBunn
 
Is it a choice? I think that's a bit of a stupid question. Of course, no one says "I think i'll become gay today".

However i don't think its at all genetic and i think all people have the ability to be attracted to someone of the same sex. So i think it's purely psychological.
 
Well I don't have any solid proof but I definitely feel I was born gay. Since I can remember I've always had the attraction to men rather than women. It was never a decision. I was also never abused sexually of physically by anyone. I tried most of my life to be straight and played the role most of my life but it was very emotionally struggling. I still go through some shit sometimes from homophobes and ignorant people but overall I'm happier finally being out and loving who I want to love. Thought it might be helpful to hear from someone on the "inside looking out".
 
squatpuke said:
Do homosexual males have LESS testosterone and homosexual females more?
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I don't think so. Even if it were the case I don't see it directly relation to sexual orientation. I know a lot of gay guys that use(d) gear and they were still gay lol.
 
WONDERBUNN said:
I don't think being gay is a choice. I also don't think its genetic. Their have been studies of identical twins where one is straight and the other is gay.

I believe it happens very early in the development process. Probably between 0 - 5 years of age. People process information in sucha way that they find the same sex more appealing. The theory on fetish formation is similar. A man can associate feet with sexual excitement and gradification with events that happened in his childhood.

Why? who the fuck knows, maybe his ma wears some kick ass stripper boots and he always heard she loved him while looking at some nice manicured feet. The next thing u know he like woman with tight feet.

The only choice is if act on it or not. If u like dudes and have never messed around with one, guess what? your gay. :rainbow:

How can u tell if your gay or not? well if your getting back doored and u have an erection your gay. :)

~WondErBunn
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That must be hell, especially if it's really not a choice and the person doesn't like being gay in the first place. I wonder if any of gays are confused by it (what good is your erection doing if you're getting backdoored?).

Like squatpuke said, some of it must have to do with hormonal imbalances during gestation. But a part of it could also be learned through childhood development. I notice how some gays have eyes that appear to have a "glazed over" look, while others appear normal. Whether this has something to do with if it's biological or learned is beyond me. People should be more civil about such things though, I'll definitely say that. As long as gays know to repect straight peoples' orientation and vice versa.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
. I notice how some gays have eyes that appear to have a "glazed over" look, ......
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We get that glazed over look when we find we have to endure this question yet another time.....

Folks...if you think it's a choice...then just for tomorrow...one day..you choose to be gay.
See if you can do it.
 
squatpuke said:
As far as birth, the only logical scientific argument that I think can be made is this:

I've heard that the fetus is w/o sex for the first few weeks...it then gets a dose of hormones (test I think) and that determines M or F....seems reasonable that a fetus with a smaller dose of these hormones could be different.

Do homosexual males have LESS testosterone and homosexual females more?
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You are very close to the explaination I've read.

It has nothing to do with the hormone levels that they might have post puberty it is whether or not the brain is exposed to testoserone early in their growth.

This is not absolutly proven, but it is likely.
 
Tiervexx said:
You are very close to the explaination I've read.
It has nothing to do with the hormone levels that they might have post puberty it is whether or not the brain is exposed to testoserone early in their growth.
This is not absolutly proven, but it is likely.
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The friend I mentioned in a previous post is not in a relationship. He has not had a man in 5 yrs or more, yet he still categorizes himself as gay. Being gay is not about sex. His family knew from when he was quite young that he was different. Not all gay people like anal sex.
Fetuses(fetii?) start developing as female, then some change into male. I would surmise that this juncture is where any sexual orientation or transgender issues are originated.
 
john937 said:
Folks...if you think it's a choice...then just for tomorrow...one day..you choose to be gay.
See if you can do it.
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This is great logic against it being a choice....

I guess I need to rethink my position...

I'm not a scientist...but I guess whatever makes me hetro...take the opposite.


So is being hetrosexual a choice or not? Nah. However, it is natural. Can't believe that homosexually is natural. So if it's unnatural, does that make it wrong? perverted?
 
squatpuke said:
So is being hetrosexual a choice or not? Nah. However, it is natural. Can't believe that homosexually is natural. So if it's unnatural, does that make it wrong? perverted?
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Define Natural.
If you mean as in nature, then nature is rife with animals that are homosexual or bisexual.
If you mean not as God intended, then if the root cause is genetic it would seem that God did indeed intend it, for how can we select something for our fetus if we cannot even define it yet?
It's a tough question to get your head around, especially for people who have been indoctrinated by society to abhor it. I believe that's why all these people are turning gay. They've been gay all their lives, but are just deciding, "fuck it, I wanna be who I am."
 
hidngod said:
Define Natural.
If you mean as in nature, then nature is rife with animals that are homosexual or bisexual.
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I guess by natural, I meant in the sense of nature. Homosexually CAN'T be natural since it goes against those very laws. Procreation....Male + Female = offspring.

And while its true that many, many animals commit homosexual/bisexual acts...it must be considered a sign of perversion...they simply want to 'get off'.

I can't believe that animals are emotional in the same way as humans...caring, loving, understanding are not reasons for two male monkey's humping. Not only that, but in nature, rape is really what's happening...as the dominent animal 'gets off' and leaves..

In the end, I think comparing humans to animals for this topic is really comparing apples and oranges...
 
The only people who care are straight people. Every gay person I've ever known didn't care why they were gay anymore than I care why I'm straight. That or dumbasses who think they might get gay germs. Live and let live; is it really so frickin hard?
 
Here is my opinion. I think gays have a leaning towards the opposite sex just as an alcoholic has a leaning towards liquor or a coke head has a leaning towards coke. I think if they never try it they won't have the burning desire to try it again. Now, once they do try it they get addicted to it and have a hard time quiting it. For me, I don't know how anyone could be attracted to men including women. If I was a chick, I would probably be a lezbo. Chicks are sooo much better lookin than dudes and less hairy and are softer and prettier heck I better stop talk'n about this or I am going to go home for lunch to have the ole lady for lunch.
 
curling said:
Here is my opinion. I think gays have a leaning towards the opposite sex just as an alcoholic has a leaning towards liquor or a coke head has a leaning towards coke. I think if they never try it they won't have the burning desire to try it again. Now, once they do try it they get addicted to it and have a hard time quiting it. For me, I don't know how anyone could be attracted to men including women. If I was a chick, I would probably be a lezbo. Chicks are sooo much better lookin than dudes and less hairy and are softer and prettier heck I better stop talk'n about this or I am going to go home for lunch to have the ole lady for lunch.
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Yea, a lot of women, even 100% straight women say they would rather see women nude than men. Women are just more attractive.
 
My opinion(s):
- Kinsey studies were significant in their time, have merit, but are flawed.
- Some people are born homosexual.
- Some are attracted to both sexes.
- Some have a moment in their development when environment can tip the scale.
- A small number of people can successfully "relearn" their hetrosexual behavior.
- The vast numbers of people are hetrosexual; the media spotlights homosexuality for profit.
- We should not discriminate.

As for myself ... while easily tricked to view possible trans-sexuals (lol) ... I have always found women to be the most attractive for sexual relations and not males. It seems a certain kindergarten teacher took great delight in exposing her black nylons, garters and panties to me, thus cementing my budding hetrosexuality firmly in place.
 
squatpuke said:
I guess by natural, I meant in the sense of nature. Homosexually CAN'T be natural since it goes against those very laws. Procreation....Male + Female = offspring.

And while its true that many, many animals commit homosexual/bisexual acts...it must be considered a sign of perversion...they simply want to 'get off'.

I can't believe that animals are emotional in the same way as humans...caring, loving, understanding are not reasons for two male monkey's humping. Not only that, but in nature, rape is really what's happening...as the dominent animal 'gets off' and leaves..

In the end, I think comparing humans to animals for this topic is really comparing apples and oranges...
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Wrong.

Animals are simpler but many still do form strong emotional bonds. Total homosexuality has been observed in many species including horses, dogs, and others that will not breed with members of the oposite sex but will make advances towards members of the same sex.

Farmers have known about such animals for some time, they are often just discarded.
 
Hasn't this topic been discussed like hundreds of times from all sorts of perspectives?
No need for a revisitation as people's opinion will firmly be unchanged.
 
this is fucking stupid
you dont get to chose whether or not you want to be gay or not
 
Sir Bomb said:
this is fucking stupid
you dont get to chose whether or not you want to be gay or not
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lol people act like being gay is like dressing goth, and u do i tjust to stir the shit up.

i say we delete this thread
 
starfish said:
I don't think it's a choice either. I knew my brother was gay before if did...Probably confused.

I've also seen the torment gay people go through by supporting. You would not believe how cruel people can be. Heck, even on elite I've gotten karma wishing my brother was DEAD. I stood by him when my Father and his wife disowned him. He deals with that kind of stuff daily. I've seen what his friends go through. No one would choose that road unless the were simply trying to be what they are.

Too much freaking judgemental hate in the world.
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ya thats messed up but if i was ur bro's wife i'd be pissed 2. ur father on the other hand......
 
Boardin087 said:
ya thats messed up but if i was ur bro's wife i'd be pissed 2. ur father on the other hand......
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I think she ment their father's wife though it is not clear with the way she worded it.
 
Do heteros turn gays ?

or

Were they always gays but just assumed it after a while?
 
Bisexuality is a choice. A guy wakes up and thinks to himself, "Hmmm, do I want balls slapping in the face today or coochie pie." Now, that's really confused.
 
biteme said:
Bisexuality is a choice. A guy wakes up and thinks to himself, "Hmmm, do I want balls slapping in the face today or coochie pie." Now, that's really confused.
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Nah, it's not confused. It's options. Some people just like to have a few more, that's all.
 
hidngod...I like your avatar...those guys are real individuals over there aren't they. I think the average American forgets that...gotta spread the K.


Anyway, being guided by my Christian beliefs leaves me in the middle of this debate. Being hetro, I can't really relate....so I'm gonna opt out, not only that, but I don't have (m)any friends or family that I can really discuss this topic with....at least not rationally....

Peace.
 
exotic_island_girl said:
This subject has come up quite a bit in political and religious dicussions.
It has been suggested by scientists that 10% of people are gay whether they know/admit it or not.
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no one is born gay. They learn it from their surroundings. AND they have something messed up "upstairs" to be wanting to hit "the pooper" so much.
 
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