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Is Creatine Worth It?--cast In Your Votes

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IS CREATINE WORTH IT? CAST IN YOUR VOTES...

  • Great size/strength gains, but nothing like AAS

    Votes: 266 47.3%

  • Great when stacked with AAS

    Votes: 43 7.7%

  • Only in conjunction with PCT

    Votes: 37 6.6%

  • Bloated me up like a fish, that's pretty much it

    Votes: 74 13.2%

  • Placebo (only psychological gains)

    Votes: 68 12.1%

  • Never used creatine, but have heard of it and would like to partake in Escher's insightful poll

    Votes: 74 13.2%
  • Total voters
    562
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escher

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Not sure if the other thread worked, so I am posting it OMT. Apologies in advance if my stuff goes up twice again.

-e
 
They say it will give you a gain at about 10%.Doses for 15-30 gram a day for a month will blow you up.But your stengt will increase and you will feel powerfull.A buddy of my squat 370 kilo,and for somone at this results 10 % is a very good thing.And he cant use any AAS becuse he been tested all the time.Good luck :)
 
There are so many creatine products out there. Have to get through all the marketing BS to find one that works well. I've used the Trac creatine for the last 3 months and haven't had any problems. Okay result. Going to try the V12 turbo sometime in January.
 
The newer creatines don't cause bloat (Di-maltate, Ethyl Ester). Eating 4000 clean calories a day does cause bloat however.
 
I think creatine is one of the few supps out there that actually works. I use simple creatine monohydrate, or whatever they're calling it these days. There is a bloat factor, but I've found that it's manageable with water intake and diet.

One problem with it though is that many users expect AS-type gains from it which isn't going to happen. But as long as you take it properly, watch your diet, and keep realistic expectations, I think it's a good product.
 
I just get plain Creatine Monohydrate and mix that with gatorade along with the my post-workout meal. It doesn't blow me up, but it probably gives me 2 or 3 extra reps on every exercise, which is definitely a plus
 
phaded said:
i'm taking the cee and i've crazy more endurance now
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just about your sig, how can you rearange someones brain via their rib cage or, did it just mad crazy rap man, hohoho
 
Props to everyone for their input and contributions towards making this an OK thread. I tried to give karma to most of you, except Paulo who is already too bloated from green K. Kidding.

OMT--anyone have more insight on CEE? Ulter seems to push it a lot because of his involvement with A-F (I think), but to anyone else who has simply used it with unbiased opinions (no offense intended to Ulter), what were your results like? Most interested in bros who just used the creatine, no AAS or anything else, so that gains and sides are more accurate. Thanks again fellas.

-e
 
I use it a lot. Works good for me, I especially use it through a cycle and during pct

Whiskey
 
Bump one last time. CEE users? Anyone?

What doses do you use and when do you take?
 
I have been using CEE for the last week. My reps on the 4 board have gone up and my muscles seem to feel tighter.

No bloat, no gastrointestinal discomfort and no sides but strength so far. I am a creatine responder, but haven't taken it in a while due to the cramping and the stomach discomfort.....Just because of that it is worthwhile for me. I always got good gains of the powder form, but couldn't take it due to sides.

I like it so far and it's only been a week.
 
I cycle it and used a creatine/ HMB stack PCT after my last juice course to hold gains to hold gains- seems to work, although I've only used small juice doses (up to 500mg per week) so maybe I wouldn't lose much of the gains anyway.
 
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Bump one last time. CEE users? Anyone?

What doses do you use and when do you take?
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I just got a bottle of VPX CEX (Creatine Ethyl Ester) to use during PCT so ill keep you guys updated.
Bionic
 
escher said:
Props to everyone for their input and contributions towards making this an OK thread. I tried to give karma to most of you, except Paulo who is already too bloated from green K. Kidding.

OMT--anyone have more insight on CEE? Ulter seems to push it a lot because of his involvement with A-F (I think), but to anyone else who has simply used it with unbiased opinions (no offense intended to Ulter), what were your results like? Most interested in bros who just used the creatine, no AAS or anything else, so that gains and sides are more accurate. Thanks again fellas.

-e
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This is an ubiased opinion from a creatine virgin.
I just received a bottle of Purecee and thought I would give it a shot. Why not as it is the latest and greatest and there are so many different opinions on the effects of creatine. I have just ended my cycle when I started to take the cee. It is now 2 weeks after my cycle and I have bronchitus and I swear to you I have had 3 of my best workouts this week while on cee. My lifts have increased my tendonitis is all but gone (might not be related to cee but I have not figured out any answer as to why) and my weight has increased 3 lbs. I look in the mirror and my chest looks fuller. What can I say I am sold. Now I can only vouch for cee and not any other type of creatine form.
 
im bout 2 use Trac creatine and NO2 during my pct. n02 has 8 g of argine and trac has like 4 more so thats a shit load lol. imma have nitric oxide commin out my eyes. but hey maybe it will b good. i wanna try CEE though. BTW how many grams should a person take of creatine a day around the 175-190 weight class. thanx
 
i personaly think it is a waste of tiem and is nasty tasting makes me want to puke when im working out (yes the unflavored kind)
 
If creatine is all it takes to cure tendonitis, I've been doing a lot of unnecessary shit.

I'm doing creatine soon with some var so maybe it'll help.

Sniz
 
actually I did some research and there was nothing that stated creatine helps tendonitis but going throught the rest of the ingriedents there is gelatin listed on purecee which has been known to help tendonitis.
 
I lost all faith in kreatin after my first cycle... But, CEE remains to be tested, dbol and winstrol is cheaper, at least in my country so it better be good...
 
Tried it for a while in high school and hated it.

Tried it again in college to see if I was wrong... hated it.

The only effect I had was head and stomach aches.
 
If you are doing AAS, you don't need creatinine.
It is for those who don't want to do AAS.
But it does help, if you are willing to live with bloat.
Marginal additional benefit if you are doing AAS.
 
I am one of the ones for whom creatine works great. I love the water stored with the ATP makes me real hard and big for little investment. I always run 1 to 2 week cycle before a meet and it does, I mean does add strength. One warning though don't drink it with fruit juice or it will convert to creatinine--very bad for kidneys. You can cycle for 10 to 12 weeks when bulking, makes you thirsty as hell
 
Tried mono twice, bloat and no discernable gains...
I heard Var and Creatine is worth it...
 
Anavar and creatine have a definite synergistic effect. I got crazy bloat from creatine til I tried creatine EE.
 
Most people disreguard the fact that ATP is the what our cells run on! Creatine is VERY worth especially during a cycle because without good amounts of ATP your cells WILL not take advantage of your hard earned money!....(Steroids) Cells will not function without ATP. Try doing 8 sets of 8 with 15 seconds rest at the gym. Ever wonder why you body just shuts down and just wont fuckin move no matter how hard you try??? Its because you are using up more ATP than your body can keep up with. By the way Effervesent creatine is the ONLY creatine worth it because that monohydrate shit is the wrong ph to dissolve in your intestine....hence the ability to fart at the drop of a hat and the extreme bloated feeling....sure you'll put on 8 lbs in a week but I'd rather not look like a marshmellow ;)

Dont fight the facts

J
 
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donsj said:
One warning though don't drink it with fruit juice or it will convert to creatinine--very bad for kidneys.
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That is incorrect...
Creatine will convert to creatinine no matter what :o
Its just part of the metabolic process of its digestion...
 
The Terminator said:
That is incorrect...
Creatine will convert to creatinine no matter what :o
Its just part of the metabolic process of its digestion...
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Terminator's right, creatin will convert in all fluids.. Only about 10-30% percent of our intake reaches the cells....

CEE anyways are supposed to be stabile, in all mixture's..
 
Best creatine I tried was Celltech. Got great pumps from that. Also tried NO2 which seemed to give me longer lasting pumps as well as noticeable strength gains. Never tried them together.
But creatine is bad for the kidneys if you don't drink a lot of xtra water or other liquid.
 
With all the oral steroids we in this forum pop, kidneyproblems related to creatin isn't considered a issue at all... But as you say 3liter of water a day, is good both for liver and kidneys...
 
Dial_tone said:
Anavar and creatine have a definite synergistic effect. I got crazy bloat from creatine til I tried creatine EE.
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Ive been hearing this alot lately. Is there a scientific explanation, or just annecdotal evidence at this point. Hope its true, because creatine has never done a damn thing for me.
 
I like it, I haven't used the CEE yet.
Having been out the country for over a year, I'm still getting used to all the changes, especially this new crap about ph's being banned. What the hell happened here?
This country is getting crazier by the minute with all of these stupid restrictions. Because a few knuckleheads can't control themselves, we all have pay.
I use Nutrobiotics Pfanstiehl Ultra-Micronized, HPCL 100% Pure Creatine Monohydrate. Seems good to me, anyone have any opinions?
 
atydueceoifvet said:
This country is getting crazier by the minute with all of these stupid restrictions. Because a few knuckleheads can't control themselves, we all have pay.
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Aint that the truth. People die more from excessive cigs and alcohol but those won't ever be banned.

I first started Creatine after i had my jaw unwired when i was 17. I went from 165 to 180 in like 4 weeks (i was eating a lot more after having to eat through a straw for 6 wks). Now im 19, 6'3 185 and i have seen nice size and strength gains. Still have pretty good definition. I use Prolab Creatine Monohydrate nothing special. Mix it with gatorade and i cant taste it. Glutamine on the other hand, that shit tastes nasty if you eat it (yea i have tried it). I have also read that mixing it with a warm liquid (not really hot cause thats gross too) helps with dissolving which makes sense. Thing i like the most is the pumps. Theres nothing like having your workout partner stare in amazement while you do a set. :mix:

Dan
 
The creatine I've tried in the past...hasn't done jack for me.

What exactly is this CEE everyone is speaking of? Just a different brand of creatine??
 
I'm on pure creatine right now.

Everyone wonders why i'm in the middle of a cycle, working out like a monster..

yet i look like a 250lb FAT GUY! Big ass belly. Face is all bloated. I feel like a fish.

But that aside, DAYUM i'm a monster at the gym. Throwing weights around like they're toys. Every day i keep adding 5lbs to everything. Can't wait to finally get off creatine and see what i look like, other than mr. muscular fat man.
 
The CEE and NO2 together are suppose to work hand in hand. They are suppose to enhance each other by 10 times. SO if you were taking NO2 and had great pumps the CEE will just enhance that by 10 times. The new cee will not cause you to bloat and is more kidnet friendly. It breaks down a lot easier and is accepted by the body a lot better.
 
my question is, if creatine works so well as everyone claims, why has it yet to be banned? M-1-T came out and was off the market in a very short time period. I've taken creatine and not seen any results...
 
Depends on what Creatine I take, I've had my best luck with just stright up simple Creatine, taking it with good old KoolAid or gatorade. Not having much luck with new style Creatines or in pill form.
 
i find that it gives good size and just more energy but if you take too much it can be very harmful to you... a buddy of mine at the gym had his stomach ruined from it... went from benching 200 to only 145...
 
cmdubs said:
The creatine I've tried in the past...hasn't done jack for me.

What exactly is this CEE everyone is speaking of? Just a different brand of creatine??
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CEE stands for Creatine Ethyl Ester. basically creatine monohydrate with an ester attached, which increases the absorption of the creatine making it more potent. effective doseages should be lower and you shouldnt see any bloat.
 
When, in relation to your workout should you take creatine. Doesn't it give you good pumps IN the gym if u incorporate it pre-workout?
 
Ulter said:
You should get a real variety of answers to this because some people swear by it because they do so well on it and other swear at it because they don't respond at all.

I really like the new Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) and the di creatine malate is good too.
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Yep. Creatine: Better than 500mg /wk test for me.
 
Akahpellah02 said:
my question is, if creatine works so well as everyone claims, why has it yet to be banned? M-1-T came out and was off the market in a very short time period. I've taken creatine and not seen any results...
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Because its naturally occuring in your diet. So as a natural food source is hard to ban. Eggs and steak make you stronger- they're not banned.

M1T is a prohormone. It would probably be banned on health terms even if not very anabolic.

And creatine is banned... in France.
 
i need the stuff cause im alergic to egg !!.. egg powder egg white. egg protien... its shit cause i have heard of the gains u get with egg !! but creatine is the only thing i can really take.
 
Regardless of what anyone else says I have seen definate gains on Creatine. Mostly in strength/Energy but others seem to notice a size gain when I am on Creatine.

If you don't already start a log sheet and then you can tell for sure about the gains you get from different supps.
 
escher said:
Not sure if the other thread worked, so I am posting it OMT. Apologies in advance if my stuff goes up twice again.

-e
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where is the

HELL NO!!

option on the poll??
 
I love creatine. Unfortunately, I can no longer use it due to the adverse effects it has with my medicine, Mobic, for back. Its gonna suck but I can not lift being in that kind of pain. But if it were not for that, I would definitly still be using it.
 
I went and read the patent office application for the creatine serum outfit .. the theory was that the creatine degraded in acid environment but it took x amount of time to degrade it wasn't instantaneous . However during this time the solution was very well soluble with the creatine in it . As i recall they then suggested it appropriate to add somthing arather triphosphate which bonded with the creatine (in a phosphate bond i suppose) either way the soltion waas then buffered back to neutral and the very soluble creatine solution (serum) was the result .

When i mix my creatine now i dd to it Apple cider vinegar and god forbid bealieve it or not i also use Coca Cola LOL .. you might laugh about the Coca Cola haha mee too but i also have my reasons .
The vinegar is weakly acidic and very good for stimulating digestion .
 
I'ma gonna go over this thread again & try some of these things.
I tried Creatine Mono several different ways & didn't get anything from it. Tried something called NOZ, with creatine Malate & didn't notice anything. I'll try the NOZ with Var & see how that works.
 
Creatine has always worked for me. Although mostly in pumps and strength gains by itself, I believe that it needs to be stacked with a proper dose of protein and nitric oxide in order to grow from all angles, not just the strengh side.

I have always benefitted from monohydrate with minimal bloating, but I can only imagine how I will respond to CEE. Can't wait to finish my current micronized Creatine/Glutamine blend in order to start on CEE. Might stick to the BSN brand and get Cellmass, a complex blend of CEE/Glutamine and other muscle volumizing nutrients in one small dose.

XL
 
CEE stands for Creatine Ethyl Ester. basically creatine monohydrate with an ester attached, which increases the absorption of the creatine making it more potent. effective doseages should be lower and you shouldnt see any bloat.
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I don't understand how if creatine didn't bloat you how it would work? Doesn't it work from making u retain water in ur muscles so that you can lift more TEMPORARILY so you can gain muscle from the increased weights?

For me, creatine doesn't really work much. I've tried that Cell Tech, which is shit, and all the other brands except this CEE stuff but I notice no difference at all between brand x and brand y. I've also not noticed any difference in what time I take it. I just take it with water, taking it with grape juice did no more benefit. All it does for me is make me gain 2-3 pounds and put up an extra 5 pounds on my bench. These guys who say it adds 2-3 reps...fuckin wow. U guys are lucky. I think bottom line is some people respond alot better than others, I know some people who don't respond at all.
 
Mixed feelings here too... tried a bunch of different brands of creatine mono... they KILLED my stomach and had headaches all the time.... felt like I spent more time in the bathroom than the gym sometimes! Took a few years off, and wouldn't you know, started AAS, and now I've just started PCT and using creatine first time since then... finishing off the Trac and Kre-AlkalynR that I have (still doin' a number on my stomach).... when I'm done I'm gonna switch over to the PureCee I just got and I'll see what the difference is.... overall, I do get an increase in size (usually mostly bloat)... undecided on the effect it has on strength gains though
 
It works no question. It won't make you superman, but it will add a rep or two here and there. Probably the only supplement that actually works and is legal. Gives me the runs at times, gonna try CEE heard good things about it.
 
I've used Creatine Monohydrate on and off for about 18 months. It always boosts my strength within a few days and increases my gym drive and endurance. Sadly, the past couple of times I've noticed the bloat and not enjoyed it. I've ordered some CEE which should be here this week and which I'm looking forward to trying. I'm definitely a 'responder'.
 
Just an update on the CEE. Over the first few days of taking it I got the extra energy I expect from creatine - that feeling of readiness to get back into another set. No real surge in strength, though.

I then got a cold and had a fairly cruddy week at the gym, even missing a day. Ho hum.
 
I like Creatine EE, especially the Six Star brand. I tried it since it was pretty inexpensive and was surprised to find that I had put on noticeable size in alittle over a week. The main thing is that I didn't have the runs all day as I did with Monohydrate unless I literally drank water constantly ALL day with mediocre results. Monohydrate works, but no NEARLY as well for me as did CEE. -Jay
 
I used to be a "critic" of monohydrate, but since CEE qualtiy issues have been ironed out, a huge difference in strength. Again, quality is an issue here.

I have had great results not once but twice with CVM Extreme by Serious Nutrion Solutions. Not pimping it, just a fact. Have used others in between, like higher priced San that was touted as the be all end all of creatine.

CVS delivered both times I used it, and within days of use also.
 
I hate creatine it gave me headaches and really didnt do all that much and its way overpriced. A 12 week cycle is cheaper than 12 weeks of creatine. Besides diet will do a whole lot more than creatine anyway.
 
It's an OK supplement.
The water enables you to lift a bit more and the pressure in your body feels nice to.

But I see no point in using it if you're already on aas, there is no meaning.
 
I've been taking v12 for a few weeks. It keeps upsetting my stomach like an hour after i take it, usually resulting in diarea.. Im thinking about switching to Elite-K. Anyone have any good experience with kre-alkalyn
 
Gordz24 said:
I've been taking v12 for a few weeks. It keeps upsetting my stomach like an hour after i take it, usually resulting in diarea.. Im thinking about switching to Elite-K. Anyone have any good experience with kre-alkalyn
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i get more fucking sides from some of those supplements than from AS
 
Mikebzt, where can I find Pure cee, I have never heard of it, and who is the maker of it. As far as does creatine work I cant tell you because I've never used it. I read so much stuff on it, and wanted to try it, but i'm 16 and go to school, workout, and study so i dont have a job. I cant afford creatine, but this summer when schools out Illl get a job and then post my results with creatine.
 
I have a bottle of Pure CEE in my house now, I have been taking it since Wednesday, however I also take No-Xplode and they say it has 2.5g of creatine but I am unsure of what type it is. But I take around 2 capsules 30min before workout with No-X, then after I take 3. I was looking forward to some real gains, really pumped on Friday to do it, but I messed up my tricep somehow. Nothing bad, but it was enough to make me struggle on me lose 1 rep off of 2nd set, then 2 reps from 3rd. But I'll give a week to week update on Mondays if anyone is interested in ordering PureCEE.
 
I have tried CEE and monohydrate, I can't say the CEE does anything for me. I took mono when i first started lifting, and whilst on it i remember i would sometimes get a sudden boost of energy half way through my workout, so i think im going to give the mono another try at some stage.
 
Currently using MBI's CEE and have had great results. Size and strength is incredible without the bloat of monohydrate. This is good as I have been trying to lean out and gain dry muscle mass. It also works excellent stacked with a nitric oxide product for PCT. I believe this helps fight the catabolic cortisol rush post cycle.
 
cee is good , phaded... why do you have the pic i posted on igf on your avatar? better take that off prick lol jk im sure she doesnt care
 
Monohydrate seemed to work okay but left me with a constantly churning stomach due to poor absorbtion (beano did nothing for it). I now use CEE and notice a difference in muscles feeling fuller even with little working out. Wedding ring even stays on the finger better when on it. Plus...no smelling like I ate shit samiches. Both work...but minimal negatives with ethyl ester.
 
When I first found I was diabetic I dropped weight like a bad habit. I started hitting the gym more often trying to regain my size then a few weeks later E.A.S. released it's brand of Creatine Monohydrate better known as Phosphagen (spl). I took the recommended dose for a six week run along with my Insulin shots and jumped from 165 lbs. to 238 lbs. It definitely will work if you take it as described and works even better if you add in about 10 units (10th of a cc) of insulin but make sure you keep a high carb drink in hand for the next 45-60 minutes after the shot. Keep in mind insulin will put you in for a permanant dirt nap if you over do it so I do not recommend it to anyone that is not sure of what they are doing.
 
MichaelMacGyver said:
There are so many creatine products out there. Have to get through all the marketing BS to find one that works well. I've used the Trac creatine for the last 3 months and haven't had any problems. Okay result. Going to try the V12 turbo sometime in January.
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mac i tried both trac and v12 about the same ok results. i have better resutls when i take preigniter (no x, sup 250) that has creatine in it as well. then a post shake with any type of creatine in it, at a normal dose.
 
oatsandgrains said:
Most people disreguard the fact that ATP is the what our cells run on! Creatine is VERY worth especially during a cycle because without good amounts of ATP your cells WILL not take advantage of your hard earned money!....(Steroids) Cells will not function without ATP. Try doing 8 sets of 8 with 15 seconds rest at the gym. Ever wonder why you body just shuts down and just wont fuckin move no matter how hard you try??? Its because you are using up more ATP than your body can keep up with. By the way Effervesent creatine is the ONLY creatine worth it because that monohydrate shit is the wrong ph to dissolve in your intestine....hence the ability to fart at the drop of a hat and the extreme bloated feeling....sure you'll put on 8 lbs in a week but I'd rather not look like a marshmellow ;)

Dont fight the facts

J
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Fact: Creatine Mono has never made me bloated or gassy. You lose, good day sir.
 
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